What a wild ride it's been!

Discussion in 'Merchant Marine Academy - USMMA' started by KPMum2012, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. KPMum2012

    KPMum2012 Parent

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    Our roller coaster ride lasted a bit longer than most, though not as long as some. DD was a deferred grad. That meant we went up for graduation weekend and participated in all of the fun activities, but she didn't actually walk across the stage at graduation. She had a couple of requirements to remediate before she could actually take the license exam and officially graduate. This week she took and passed her license exam! It may be about 4 months late, but that only makes it the sweeter! :groupwave:

    When we were on campus during graduation weekend, someone told us that what he admired about DD was that she never gave up. At the time she commented that she wasn't sure that stubbornness hadn't crossed the line to stupidity. She was feeling pretty discouraged. Well this week that stubbornness paid off and she is glad that she never gave up or stopped fighting for her goals. I just wanted to share this story to encourage other parents and their mids. When the going gets tough, don't give up!
     
  2. Lynpar

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    Congratulations!
    There is more than one way to get somewhere.

    :redface:That is is a stupid saying in our family that seems applicable here!
     
  3. Bill1899

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    KPMUM and Lynpar: Do you have any advice for prospective incoming midshipmen - What percentage of your DD's class made it to graduation, what caused the most departures? Academics? Regiment? Sea Time?
    I did an overnight visit a few weeks ago and everytime I walked by a student they would say "dont come here, we all hate it, its miserable". Not sure if they were being serious or breaking my chops.
     
  4. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    Don't listen to them. Sure they may hate it but do you know why? Do you know anything about them? I saw guys who hated it graduate and I saw guys who loved it leave early. You can only know about you and and whether you like or dislike it and whether you think its worth sticking with.

    Academics is probably the #1 reason for non graduating. Those who just quit is probably #2, but there are many many different reasons that factor in to that. I guess you could chalk up to the Regiment those who are disenrolled for disciplinary reasons, those are probably only a handful a year.
     
  5. jasperdog

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    KPMUM2012: Congrats to your Dear Daughter - while graduation week had to be exceptionally difficult for her, the lesson in persistence she has now learned will no doubt serve her exceptionally well the rest of her life. She's a USMMA Alumni now and like her classmates has the world ahead of her and if what we've been seeing so far continues to be true - at her feet. Awesome, Awesome accomplishment. She now has her license, her degree and her commission - the same as every one on the rest of we alumni. The only reason to ever talk about the adversity she had to deal with to obtain them is because and if she wants to - no other reason at all. Personally, I can attest that as the years go by between graduation and the rest of our lives the bad/hard times and issues fade and the good memories and great foundation for life "the Zoo" gives us become clearer and clearer - at least that's been the case for me over the past thirty years. And even if they don't it's absolutely true - "Kings Point is a great place to be from..."

    Bill1899: You just validated what I always say - the best time to do your overnight visit is after Acceptance Day and before Mid-February - that's when life in the Regiment is "as bad as it gets." Were those that told you "don't come here we all hate it" kidding - sure some were ... some weren't; but ask yourself this - why do they stay then if they aren't kidding? There are thousands of reasons folks quit or fail out of USMMA or any other service academy. They aren't easy to get through. In fact many believe that in multiple ways USMMA is the hardest to get through. But why do people persevere and work so hard to do just that, especially if "KPS"...

    That's a great question and the reason is simply and best stated in two short answers: a) Options & Opportunities ... and b) they really didn't/don't just want to go to a good college - they want to go somewhere that they will be tested and that makes them part of something bigger than just themselves so they can serve a bigger purpose when they graduate. Don't worry, few if any will openly state "b)" while they are at USMMA or any other Academy or shortly after they graduate - it's just too "corny" or whatever and that's also not what they are about.

    In direct answer to your question: "What percentage of your DD's class made it to graduation, what caused the most departures? Academics? Regiment? Sea Time?" I don't have exact numbers - they should be available from your Admissions Officer - but in general my understanding is ~2/3 - 3/4 of those that report in an incoming class make it to graduation. Basically 2/3rds in 4 years and the remaining 9-11% to the 3/4 number do in more than 4 years. Further my understanding is the biggest reason that people do not make it to graduation, by far, is academics. Number 2 would be Regimental issues but that's a distant second. Sea Time issues would generally result in deferred graduation such as was mentioned here... I emphasize i do not have current exact data the last numbers I saw are now a couple years old but based on what I saw anecdotally with my DS' Class of 2012 I believe the data hasn't skewed all that much from the historical norms I cite here.

    Good Luck! and don't let the gallows humor scare you away if you want something go get it.
     
  6. luv2fly

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    KPMUM2012, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!:shake::thumb::shake::thumb:

    Luv2fly
     
  7. Lynpar

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    Bill1899, when DS ( class of 15)overnighted it was right before Parents Weekend
    in late August. I am sure the place was a little more upbeat than it would have been nearing the end of the first trimester. What little sample size I have I notice each class has had some big upheavals and stressors that were not planned for. So I don't think this class has it any harder than any previous but I think they may all be a little worn out and worn down at this point. What was the mood like with the hosts whom you stayed with? Did you have contact with a coach or activity you were interested in? Did you spend any time on the waterfront? What does your gut tell you? How high is KP on your list? These are questions you do not need to answer here but they may help you weed out the static and see your visit a little more clearly.

    As the end of the first trimester closes ( yay ) DS is having a ball Offshore Sailing. I think he loves it just a little bit more than he hates KP on some days. Find that thing. This a lesson learned from the experience of Jasperdog and actually Jasperpup too. The latter my DS actually met last year on the waterfront. They do exist.
     
  8. Kram1

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    You know...one thing I heard was "KP is a great place to be from!"....meaning, not the greatest place to be "at". Well, what I learned watching our DS go through his 4 years at KP was that there are always those who want to discourage rather than encourage, there are always those who blame the institution or others for their unhappiness...just don't listen to this stuff. It's the same in life...some folks will always find "stuff' to complain about and always want to blame others. While our DS had his share of "dark days" because it was tough academically or because his team had lost a game or because he was stressed time-wise, or because "all" his friends back at "regular" universities were partying and playing and sleeping through academics while making the A/B honor role, I can guarantee you now with 100% certainty that he would not trade his KP years or his senior ring for anything!!! I've talked with parents and grads from the other service academies as well, and many had the same experience. It's not easy...don't go if you want easy...it's not the most modern of campuses...don't go if you want modern...the "nightlife" is not the greatest at time...don't go if nightlife is what you want. Go for the "right reasons"...go because YOU (and you alone) want to go, and you will be fine. Will you love the place every day...heck no, but will you love Kings Point in the end if you do your part...ABSOLUTELY! Bottom line...like everything else in life...it's what you make out of it...attitude is at least 50% of the battle.

    ACTA NON VERBA! Go for it! You will be glad you did.
     
  9. nadofr8dog

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    We have a good friend who recently did a day visit to KP, having visited USNA the day prior. One of the first things she told me was, in general, the Mids at KP seemed much happier than those at the Naval Academy. They ended up waiting over an hour for a cab to take them to the airport. While they were sitting outside the gate, numerous Mids stopped to talk to them, ask if they had any questions and generally provided information about KP. A van full of Mids stopped and asked if they could give them a ride to the airport! They were very impressed with the Mids and KP overall.

    Every place has their 5 - 10% who are unhappy and perpetual complainers, and they are usually the most vocal.
     
  10. aooga15

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    thanks for sharing!

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