What can my son improve?

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  1. charles

    charles New Member

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    Here is my son's current application

    GPA 4.0 unweighted
    Will have taken 11 AP classes
    3 years junior varsity soccer (captain for 2 years)
    1 year junior varsity cross country
    60+ hours community service

    PT
    can run sub 6 minute mile, sub 13 two mile, sub 21 three mile
    50 pushups/min
    60 situps/min

    Is there anything that he is missing, such as being out of shape?
    And he is applying as a tier 1 (aerospace engineering)
     
  2. HighFlyer17

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    I would say try to get into a couple of clubs and become a leader of those clubs. Someone else may be able to offer more help, but when I was applying leadership in clubs was something that was mentioned often.

    Hope this helps.
     
  3. Pima

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    What is his SAT/ACT?

    I am assuming since he is going for aero engineer he is applying for NROTC. The scores will matter.
     
  4. JeRDLe

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    I'd also suggest adding another dozen pushups to his minute to buff his fitness scores
     
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    Elected president/chair of an club or organization
     
  6. Packer

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    Varsity sports/Letter
     
  7. dunninla

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    Varsity. I don't even know if Junior Varsity counts on the interview score sheet or when the Application is scored. If this is the case, you have to weigh the cost/benefit of waiting until he is actually on the Varsity team for Cross Country or Soccer and then submit the application with that included.

    In the triad of SAL, my thoughts:

    Scholar: A
    Athlete: A- based on PFT
    Leader: B- (depends on how they count JV captain... of they count it, then B+)

    Leadership is the current weakness, as I interpret what you posted.
     
  8. charles

    charles New Member

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    His ACT is a 34.
     
  9. Pima

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    That is a very strong ACT. As others have stated he has only sports, but with that cgpa I would assume he is also NHS. Did he take the PSAT? If he did and scored in the 95th percentile he should also be an NMSF.

    Every bit counts because every ROTC scholarship regardless of branch does not award a scholarship like an SA. He will compete nationally, they don't care if he is attending high school in Florida or Wyoming, the college matters, but your residency doesn't. Words like NMSF and NHS have NATIONAL in the title. That is why ACTs and SATs matter. It places all of the applicants on a type of academic footing at the same time. Yes, it will go further with the course rigor and the cgpa, but it gives them a place to start.
     
  10. Aglahad

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    Academics are very strong and that ACT score is definitely in the upper range.

    60 hours community service is nothing to right home about, maybe try volunteering at a community center or hospital? You can gain hours very fast and they are always in need of volunteers.

    Just curious about the lack of varsity letters. Did he not make varsity or just wasn't interested in participating at the varsity level? I can almost guarantee you that most applicants will have a few varsity letters under their belt.
     
  11. Pima

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    I know everybody is concerned about the Varsity issue, but some schools are so large that just making the team is huge, I am going to assume their school is probably this way since he was Team Captain for 2 yrs. It maybe that Varsity at their school is for SRs only, due to the sheer size of the school. I know at our DS1 school that was how it worked. You had almost 0% chance of making Varsity as a jr., unless you were a player that would most likely be looked at by college scouts. This is a school that has been district and state champs for yrs., so it was not like they needed to pull up kids from the younger yr groups to be competitive.

    I do agree the weakness in their profile is volunteer hours, BUT it also needs to be recognized that it is not necessarily the quantity they look for, but the quality and the commitment. Just throwing in more hours to say I have more hours might not change one thing. They can see through this from a board perspective because all of the sudden at the last minute the candidate is throwing on a heap of new things to strengthen their resume, not because they are committed to the reason they are volunteering.

    Sometimes candidates forget the amount of hours they do during the yrs. For example, NHS in our area requires the student to do 24 hrs per semester, they can choose between Habitat for Humanity, Relay for Life, and the Food Bank. Our church to be confirmed requires 60 hours of volunteering, confirmation is at the end of 9th or 10th grade depending on the child. Our children, all 3 of them forgot about this when they were filling out their applications. It may have been mandated for other reasons, but it still counts for volunteering. Add it up and they had close to 200 hours, yet to them they didn't think those hours counted because it was required for some other reason and not truly volunteer.

    I am not giving excuses, but if you put together that the candidate did sports for @ 8 months out of the yr (soccer and track), plus throw in SAT/ACT testing 4 times in a yr, and 20-30 hrs a yr, that leaves very little time to do more volunteering on weekends.

    We also do not know if the candidate has a job because that too will leave little to no room for more volunteer hours.

    The goal is to illustrate that you are not just book smart, that you are able to manage your time in every aspect and still be academically competitive. They don't want just book smart cadet/mids.

    OBTW colleges have the same perspective because studies have shown that students who have a life outside of school, transition better than the student who has lived their lives with their nose in the book.
     

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