What happens after graduation for AFROTC?

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  1. Moosestache

    Moosestache Member

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    My son is a Junior, and we were just talking about what happens next year after he graduates. I wondered how long between graduation and when he reports to start serving? Also, if it is a while after graduation, does he start getting paid as soon as he graduates, or is it when he reports?

    Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
     
  2. Thompson

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    I can't give you any official/exact answers so to speak; but I believe you usually report somewhere between 3-6 months after Commissioning (at least this was what I heard - not an official statement) ... by the way I hope you mean an AF commission and not a college graduation ...

    And no, I do not think he gets paid until he actually reports in .... don't think the Military exactly has the budget these days to pay butter bars to sit on their butts for a few months... that'd be nice though ...
     
  3. Stealth_81

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    His report date will be determined by his AFSC and where and when the Air Force has openings for training slots. I have seen graduates report almost immediately after graduation and some who wait for 12 months before they have to start. The Air Force spreads training slots throughout the year and most graduations happen in May or December so there is always someone who has to wait.

    For the most part ROTC graduates are not paid until they report for their training. One exception would be for pilot trainees who go to their training base for UPT and have a 'casual status' job between IFS and the start date for UPT. Pima's son is in that situation right now so she might be able to add something to the conversation.

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  4. Pima

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    Stealth is correct it can vary from report 10 days after commissioning to months and months after commissioning.

    Report dates start coming out in March/April. DS's 1st report date was actually 16 days before commissioning :eek: He contacted MPC and then they changed it to 3 days after commissioning. It was than pushed to Aug., and shortly prior to commissioning it was set for Sept.

    The point is beware it can change multiple times before you get your orders, so don't start packing until orders are physically in hand, which is about 30 days prior to reporting.

    He will not be paid at all while he awaits to report to his 1st assignment, only AFA grads get paid between commissioning and reporting. Thompson, it is not today's budget for the reason behind that. Bullet commissioned AFROTC in 87 and he didn't get paid either. He actually had 3 different pay progressions. May Commission (yrs). Flight pay which was Mar 88. DOR which was Oct 87. They will take your commission date and report date to determine your DOR (promotion). So for example: In May 89 his pay was O1 2+ yrs. Oct it was O2 2+ yrs pay, Mar 90 it was Flight pay 2+ yrs. For AFA grads they typically get all of those raises within 30 days. That is also how it will play out for a very long time. The funny thing is for AFROTC commissions, you can retire on your DOR date, which is always going to be less time than actual 20 yrs. Bullet served only 20 and 5 months, his retirement pay is 21 yrs.

    He will not acquire any leave. The importance of the leave issue is that if they report in Oct. they will only have 5 days of leave for T-Day/Xmas time frame...leave is charged even for a Sat/Sun. If he is assigned somewhere that driving is out of the question, he wil probably go in the hole for leave, and that means if there are other family things he wants to come home for later on he may not have the leave acquired to do so.

    Our DS has come home because he is on casual status awaiting UPT start, and they had no problem with it because the Commanders know that once it starts for 1 yr., he will not be able to take leave at all. This will be most likely his last time home until at least May 2014.

    As for medical coverage they have an option, they can go on your insurance or pay for out of pocket Tri-Care.

    The most important thing to realize is that upon graduation, there is a 6 month grace period for student loans and the AF loan. If he is given an Oct.1 report date, and graduates in May, he is coming up on the 1st repayment. Believe it or not, it took a month for him to get his 1st paycheck, meanwhile his car pmt., TLFs, living expenses were still being paid out. He was able to pay for all of this without touching his savings or credit cards because he worked all summer long and saved every penny. I would say between the drive to TX from VA, setting up his apt, and living he paid out about 3K that month.

    Finally here on this site for the 2016 grads, I believe the 1st ones that went were Aug., and it was a mixture of rated and non-rated. The avg date I would say was Oct. Oct. is common for 1 reason. The fiscal budget runs Oct-Sept. By holding them off until Oct., it would be the next yr budget that they are in not only for pay, but for man power numbers in the AF.

    If he is going rated, unless UPT speeds up a lot, expect him to be on casual status for 6-9 months, most likely at his UPT base. DS and his classmates for his UPT class are working on the flight line.

    Hope that gives you some insight.
     
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  5. Moosestache

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    Thank you very much for the help. He is leaning away from rated, but we will see what he ends up with.
     
  6. Thompson

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    Pima; thanks for the clarification!
     
  7. Pima

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    Moose,

    If he is not going rated, he will not find out his AFSC until Oct of his sr. yr. I know Nick4060 went Intel had to report in October. He went to VT which is an SMC, and it appeared that compared to traditional dets. they went after the AFA, but before other dets.

    The only thing I would do now is make sure he has his medical records in order because he will do another "long" form physical prior to commissioning, so if anything has changed medically get ready. Make sure he also is still fit, because gojira will tell you they don't take lightly to weight issues.
     
  8. nick4060

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    One thing to clarify - SMC vs. regular Det doesnt really have an effect on report dates. The reason I was able to report relatively early wasn't because my school was an SMC (AFPC could really care less about that). It was because my Det had commissioning on 11 May, which is earlier than most Detachments around the country.

    What happens is that in May/June everyone commissions and the Academy grads all enter active duty immediately and report to their bases for casual status. Then they start gradually activating the AFROTC grads. They do this based on individual AFSCs and date of commission. They try spread it out over the next several months so there isnt a massive influx of Lt's with nothing to do all at once.

    The way it worked out for the class of 2012 was that Detachments who had commissioning dates in April or early May saw their people report earliest (June/July/Aug). Dets who commissioned mid-May (like mine) went next in Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec. Then the folks who commissioned in late May or June are still waiting and won't report until Feb/Mar/Apr/May of 2013. Its all a function of your date of commission and how fast your AFSC's training pipeline is going.

    Keep in mind also that most AFROTC grads will still have to do some casual status. They just won't have to do it for as long as their Academy counterparts. My training class started in October. I only had to be on casual for a couple weeks. But the Academy grads in my class had been on casual since July.

    Anyways that is the logic that AFPC uses. Whether or not it makes sense is subjective I suppose.

    The key thing to take away is that nothing is set in stone. Cadets that are set to graduate soon (and their parents) should immediately begin planning for the worst and hoping for the best. Start looking for temp jobs that could last up to 12 months and figure out a living situation that is flexible, since you won't know when you'll have to report.

    Also Pima is 100% right about waiting to pack up until you have paper orders physically in hand. AFPC likes to give out new report dates every month or so, but they change often. So don't go canceling apartment leases or quitting temp jobs until you have actual orders in hand.
     
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