What to expect at the AFA.

it seems this thread has gotten very hostile very fast.

to go back to the original question: i've talked to cadets at three of the service academies, both in and out of summer seminar, and no matter who you ask, west point grad, navy midshipmen, or pretty air force girl, they will all tell you that you will think it sucks when you're there, but eventually you will realize just how much you love it. people at all of the service academies are "happy complainers". there will be things you absolutely loathe, and things you absolutely love- you have all of the resources and information about what may lay ahead, so decide whether or not you want this type of challenge.

i'm a girl and i found the AFA girls comment humorous- not sexist at all. boys will be boys...

as to the rest of the back and forth arguements here, i am completely lost. i believe i will say "Eject!" as well.
 
Wow...

The correct phrasing is "EJECT EJECT EJECT!" :wink:

Yes, some days at the academy suck. We do have more restrictions and more responsibilities than the average college student. We also have more work than many students. I can't hang my aircraft models or have a 47" flatscreen in my room. I don't particularly like weeks where I have more papers and tests than school days, topped off with weekend training.

On the other hand, some days are amazingly cool.
 
Just as with anything in life; there will be milestones that create different emotions:

1) Get accepted to the academy: EMOTION: HELL YEA!!!!!
2) I-Day: EMOTION: Why do I feel like I'm going to puke?
3) 1st half of BCT: EMOTION: Well, at least I'm not the only one who looks ********. Please look at someone else besides me. PLEASE!!!!
4) 2nd half of BCT (Jack's): EMOTION: This ain't so bad. This part is pretty fun. GOD, I'm so tired. What the hell did I get myself into???? Please let me sleep!!!!
5) Last week of BCT: EMOTION: I'm almost there. This is the hardest part. After this, the rest of the academy will be a breeze. (Delusional thoughts. Probably the lack of oxygen and sleep)
6. A-Day: EMOTION: YES! I'm really a cadet now. All the others will respect me now. (More lack of oxygen and definite lack of sleep)
7. Classes Start: EMOTION: What? Who? Where? When? ARGGGGG!!! MY HEAD HURTS.
8. Mid-term: EMOTION: Holy crap! What if I forget? What if I fail? What will my parents think? Can I get kicked out for this? ARGGGGG!!!! Head Still Hurts
9. Thanksgiving break: EMOTION: Yes!!! Out of this place! Do I really want to come back? State U looks really good right now. My friends at home seem pretty happy. What about me????
10. Back to school getting ready for finals: EMOTION: This sucks!!! I don't need this crap!!! I can transfer my credits and go to another school. God why am I doing this???
11. Finals Finished Christmas Break: EMOTION: PEACE and GOOD WILL TOWARDS MEN!!!! Yea, it sucks there, but that's 1 semester down and 7 more to go. Put this place out of my mind.
12. Return to academy: EMOTION: Take a deep breath. New Room Mates; Cool. Different classes. Cool. Still cold and dark a lot. That sucks. Well, I guess I can give it one more semester. See what happens.
13. R-DAY: EMOTION: I really AM a Cadet now. They actually DO RESPECT me. "At list a little bit". OK; it could be worse.

REPEAT STEPS 7-12; seven more times. Throw in a spring break before the end of #2,4,6,and 8. Throw a Summer break prior to 3,5, and 7. Stamina grows stronger each semester. See the light at the end of the tunnel. Every couple of days remember how much this place sucks. Every OTHER couple of days remember that this place ain't so bad. Every once in a while realize that this place is pretty cool. ALWAYS REMEMBER WHY YOU WANTED TO COME HERE AND WHAT YOUR GOAL IS.

Best of luck. mike.....
 
Believe it or not, Christcorps's post there just pretty much told me what to expect at the Academy better than any attempt at an explaination I've gotten so far.. Amazing. Once again Christcorp, you really pulled through..
 
He has :D and although how depressing it may sound the over all goal seems worth it :D
 
Believe it or not, Christcorps's post there just pretty much told me what to expect at the Academy better than any attempt at an explaination I've gotten so far.. Amazing. Once again Christcorp, you really pulled through..

:groupwave::worship::worship::worship:
agreed
 
very good post christcorp...and how do I get a DVD????
 
Dead on accurate; even 25 1/2 years after graduation...That was PRECISELY how it was "waaaay back then!"

And is now.
 
I got a DVD about the AFA in the mail today. Is that the DVD you are all talking about?
 
Just as with anything in life; there will be milestones that create different emotions:

1) Get accepted to the academy: EMOTION: HELL YEA!!!!!
2) I-Day: EMOTION: Why do I feel like I'm going to puke?
3) 1st half of BCT: EMOTION: Well, at least I'm not the only one who looks ********. Please look at someone else besides me. PLEASE!!!!
4) 2nd half of BCT (Jack's): EMOTION: This ain't so bad. This part is pretty fun. GOD, I'm so tired. What the hell did I get myself into???? Please let me sleep!!!!
5) Last week of BCT: EMOTION: I'm almost there. This is the hardest part. After this, the rest of the academy will be a breeze. (Delusional thoughts. Probably the lack of oxygen and sleep)
6. A-Day: EMOTION: YES! I'm really a cadet now. All the others will respect me now. (More lack of oxygen and definite lack of sleep)
7. Classes Start: EMOTION: What? Who? Where? When? ARGGGGG!!! MY HEAD HURTS.
8. Mid-term: EMOTION: Holy crap! What if I forget? What if I fail? What will my parents think? Can I get kicked out for this? ARGGGGG!!!! Head Still Hurts
9. Thanksgiving break: EMOTION: Yes!!! Out of this place! Do I really want to come back? State U looks really good right now. My friends at home seem pretty happy. What about me????
10. Back to school getting ready for finals: EMOTION: This sucks!!! I don't need this crap!!! I can transfer my credits and go to another school. God why am I doing this???
11. Finals Finished Christmas Break: EMOTION: PEACE and GOOD WILL TOWARDS MEN!!!! Yea, it sucks there, but that's 1 semester down and 7 more to go. Put this place out of my mind.
12. Return to academy: EMOTION: Take a deep breath. New Room Mates; Cool. Different classes. Cool. Still cold and dark a lot. That sucks. Well, I guess I can give it one more semester. See what happens.
13. R-DAY: EMOTION: I really AM a Cadet now. They actually DO RESPECT me. "At list a little bit". OK; it could be worse.

REPEAT STEPS 7-12; seven more times. Throw in a spring break before the end of #2,4,6,and 8. Throw a Summer break prior to 3,5, and 7. Stamina grows stronger each semester. See the light at the end of the tunnel. Every couple of days remember how much this place sucks. Every OTHER couple of days remember that this place ain't so bad. Every once in a while realize that this place is pretty cool. ALWAYS REMEMBER WHY YOU WANTED TO COME HERE AND WHAT YOUR GOAL IS.

Best of luck. mike.....

Probably one of the best posts I have ever read.
 
Back to paradise in 2 days ;)

*holds Hneedle's hand

jk.

haha. now it's one day... i dont like it already. ima miss the warm weather, sunshine, and no school.. oy

yep, christcorp gave a good overview. that's pretty much exactly how i felt here so far. earlier, i was feeling pretty bad about having to go back... but now i've got the mindset i've had every time i've had to go back: just knock it out. because once you get back, it really isnt so bad... except for recognition coming up. lol

so to sum up what this thread was originally started for... if you wanna know what to expect, come visit. before march. you'll see what life's really like. talk to some of us on here, get us to give you a tour of the place. we'll tell you like it is, how we've experienced it.. but everyone's experience is different.. i personally like the place a lot, most days. but there are some weeks that suck... lots of papers, tests, projects, and then you cant even leave on the weekend. it happens. it's really not so bad, but you should come out and see for yourself
 
Someone have an answer to this? I have the same question about an f-16 I painted a while back.

As a freshman, not likely will you be able to put stuff up. As an upperclassman, you might have a chance, just requires permission. I have an artist type guy in my squad with lots of his artwork on his walls.

While Christcorp did a fantastic job in his post, i'll still add some more.

When I was down at AFA a couple months ago, I was talking to a some 1/C's and 2/C's and they all said that it sucks ass. They all hate it there, and most simply described it as "a means to an end." This is huge reason I will probably choose USNA. Even just from being there for a day, the atmosphere felt depressing. I think it is worse for the lower classes there. The 4/C's I saw looked completely depressed, and this was Oct. 2. The school year had just started!

I don't mean to take a dump on the AFA. It's still a great institution, but the overall morale just seems quite low.

Spend a day in my squadron and its quite the opposite, we would joke the same things, but it would be quite obvious that we enjoyed ourselves! If they truly hated it, they would not be here, plain and simple. They could have left before the 2 dig year, but they stayed. How many people will stay somewhere as a means? Guarantee you that 4,000+ wouldn't for the same ends. I have the best friends ever, do some of the most amazing things (jumping out of planes 5 times, travel to Israel and Japan twice one year, ski almost every weekend at world class ski resorts where the cost of the entire season of skiing for me was most likely less than one weekend for most travellers, get an Ivy League quality education, spend four years with like-minded people who understand everything I've gone through there because they have to, and many more), and i absolutely love the Academy. Hold your breath.....I'M A 2/C too! Never been cynical here, never plan to be cynical here. ;) Life is what we make it.

Also, from the two midshipmen that have lived in my squadron now, neither wanted to go back to USNA, they wanted to stay with us. The AF exchangers from my squad returning tomorrow after spending a semester at USNA and USMA called the semester "AF appreciation semesters" because they were no where near as happy there as here. No one freak out when I say this, but we've been humorously tagged the party school of the FIVE academies. :)

At AFA the 4C's get some fun sooner than at WP and USNA since they get recognized so early.

Uh, while i'm sure you'll argue me as usual.... The facts on this are skewed. The lives of our freshmen from June to March compared to USNA and USMA (I don't know what live at the other two academies are like as freshmen enough to comment here) are more difficult, significantly, because we are recognized two months earlier. We have more physical training, training in general that is geared towards freshmen than the other two. This is from speaking with exchangers both ways, current plebes at USNA/USMA, my high school friends that are at the other two, and correspondence online. Freshman life at AFA is probably the most stressful of the three larger academies, the reward being that we are recognized earlier. Another scale that I've been told by the same groups are that while our life is tougher to start, our quality of life shoots up and gradually gets better over the next 3 years as upperclassmen. For the other two, I've been told it starts slightly higher, but very gradually gets better by comparison. Take this as you will, its the compilation of my discussion with others.

Are cadets at the academies also similarly close minded?
Go get a lobotomy. I didn't take any of your posts as bad and read them in their proper context. The other cadets on here laughed and understood as well. Get over yourself and learn to control your anger and frustration. If its that hard for you to control your ability to TYPE when you have to think, I fear for you when you can't control your mouth when a cadre yells at you. check your attitude real quick before you prove LITS premonitions correct.
 
Its always hard to go back...but there is a real build-up to Recognition and what must be an amazing feeling that follows especially going into Spring break. I think for some there is almost a let down that sets in after, no different than planning for a big life event or holiday.

As a parent what I didn't see coming this time last year was our cadet getting some stick time in a F-16 over the Gulf of Mexico, the "high" of earning jump wings (coupled with the anxiety of waiting for the text after each completed jump), followed by a successful try out for the WOG. This summer he'll have more jump working AM 490 plus Spanish immersion in Peru. None of this was on the radar this time last year as our 4 dig departed after winter break.
 
As a freshman, not likely will you be able to put stuff up. As an upperclassman, you might have a chance, just requires permission. I have an artist type guy in my squad with lots of his artwork on his walls.

Sweet! I bought mine at a local muesem and I love them :D P-51's knocking out an ME-262 :D

Thanks Hornet that was a great post!
 
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