whats the average Army Rotc scholarship credentials?

Wow! After reading all the above posts maybe it would be OK if my daughter kept her ROTC scholarship, went to college, actually served in the military for a few years and THEN decided if it was a lifestyle that she wanted to continue living? Some actual military experience might give her a different perspective.

Ummmm...TrueCadet22....you haven't mentioned to your friend that he was getting my daughter's AROTC scholarship yet.....have you? Might be a change of plans.

BTW - Congrats on your scholarship!! Sounds as though it is definitely something you have thought about and that you want for the right reasons. You might want to hold off for a couple of more years (like 8) second guessing your fellow cadet's motives and or patriotism. Just my opinion....
 
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TrueCadet22 said:
It severly grinds my gears that some of you guys get the scholarship and then serve your time and then plan to do something else. It's as if your using the army for your college. I was lucky enough to have my interviewer realize that I LOVE the Army and wish to make it a CAREER. I wasnt as competitive as people like you on paper and my grades and pt scores we're average. My interviewer who I became close to called me and told me that I prpbably wasnt going to get selected by the board. So he decided to request my scholarship because I KNOW that I want to serve for a career. Unfortuneatly my friend was not so lucky. He was like me...not as competitive on paper but had a true heart for the army...a never give up heart...but his interviewer was not a gracious and as kind as mine. He did not recieve a scholarship and will now have to get what money he can and get loans for the rest. Why does he have to do that? Cause of people who just use the Army to get their college paid for. And it makes me even hotter when yalls grades are high enough just to get a normal scholarship. But no...lets just use the Army.

A VERY irritated but fortunate ROTC Cadet.
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TrueCadet22
Congrats on the Scholarship!
Everyone has their own reasons for applying, don't get frustrated because the circumstances resulted in a less than optimal result for your friend. The reality is most people around your age often do not know what life holds for them and to penalize or award someone based purely on intention is not the right approach either. The reality is they want someone with a proven track record. Young men and women who had the self discipline to apply themselves academically for four years prior to applying for these programs shows they are worth the "investment" of the education. Remember these programs result in a quality education that has to be paid back often with blood, sweat, and tears long after they complete their matriculation. Some may go onto long illustrious career in the Military most won't. The reality is you do not know what this or the next administration will do with respect to the military. RIF's, early retirement, reduced recruitment quotas all impact the size and will induce or force some to leave the service. While I respect you and your friends devotion to a career in the military you need to understand these programs take into account the anticipated attrition and balance that with the needs of the service. I don't think anyone goes into the interviews stating "I just want to get my education paid for then get out". However, I am sure some will have that mindset but since none of us are mind readers then the system works as best it can. Once again Congrats!
 
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It severly grinds my gears that some of you guys get the scholarship and then serve your time and then plan to do something else. It's as if your using the army for your college. I was lucky enough to have my interviewer realize that I LOVE the Army and wish to make it a CAREER. I wasnt as competitive as people like you on paper and my grades and pt scores we're average. My interviewer who I became close to called me and told me that I prpbably wasnt going to get selected by the board. So he decided to request my scholarship because I KNOW that I want to serve for a career. Unfortuneatly my friend was not so lucky. He was like me...not as competitive on paper but had a true heart for the army...a never give up heart...but his interviewer was not a gracious and as kind as mine. He did not recieve a scholarship and will now have to get what money he can and get loans for the rest. Why does he have to do that? Cause of people who just use the Army to get their college paid for. And it makes me even hotter when yalls grades are high enough just to get a normal scholarship. But no...lets just use the Army.

A VERY irritated but fortunate ROTC Cadet.
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Easy killer, easy.
 
TrueCadet22 said:
It severly grinds my gears that some of you guys get the scholarship and then serve your time and then plan to do something else. It's as if your using the army for your college. I was lucky enough to have my interviewer realize that I LOVE the Army and wish to make it a CAREER. I wasnt as competitive as people like you on paper and my grades and pt scores we're average. My interviewer who I became close to called me and told me that I prpbably wasnt going to get selected by the board. So he decided to request my scholarship because I KNOW that I want to serve for a career. Unfortuneatly my friend was not so lucky. He was like me...not as competitive on paper but had a true heart for the army...a never give up heart...but his interviewer was not a gracious and as kind as mine. He did not recieve a scholarship and will now have to get what money he can and get loans for the rest. Why does he have to do that? Cause of people who just use the Army to get their college paid for. And it makes me even hotter when yalls grades are high enough just to get a normal scholarship. But no...lets just use the Army.

A VERY irritated but fortunate ROTC Cadet.
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TC- I can sympathize to a point with where you are coming from . But the reality of things as you grow older is that what seems like a certainty at 18 or 22 is a lot less certain once you have been on active duty for a while. Lot's of guys who were gung-ho beyond belief as Cadets got into the Army and a couple of years later couldn't wait to get back out onto the street. Conversely some of the biggest dirtbags I knew as a Cadet became really good career officers and a couple of them are now general officers. The truth is that you don't know enough to say that you "love" the Army. You love what you think the Army is- but many of your counterparts and maybe you yourself will have a different opinion a few years from now after you have deployed for 3 years out of 4 or you took one more heat round from some overbearing Company commander who was determined to be below the zone promoted at every opportunity. So given that reality - the Army tries to get the best qualified personnel who show the ability to do the job- and hooah attitude is just one factor of many in making that decision. They look for the attributes that would make a successful officer- one of which to be sure is a real desire to be an Army officer- but that's not the only one nor is it the the most critical one. I think they would be crazy to give scholarships to kids who actively disdain the thought of the army, but a kid who demonstrates all of the attributes of a potentially good future leader but is still undecided about an Army career but willing to give it a fair shot- that's prime recruiting territory.

So before you get yourself too spun up about this- you ought to wonder why your buddy didn't get picked, and evaluate what kind of an officer will he be? If he really wants to go on active duty he can still do so as a nonscholarship Cadet, and will be busting his hump to excel in his military science classes, PT, leadership etc to make sure that he is at the top of the heap in the OML . If he doesn't do that because he is sweating the scholarship decision, then maybe he is also more motivated by $$ than you think and really is no different than the scholarship Cadets you are slamming.

So the advice of a "50-something" retired InfantryOfficer is: don't be too judgmental of the motivations of your fellow Cadets- things have a way of surprising you.
Cheer up and do well!
 
True Cadet 22

I think you have probably been given some very good advice from many here with varying life experiences. I will share that my husband was a 'century man" at WP meaning that he walked off more than 100 hours of demerits. He was NOT the ideal nor perfect cadet. While his roommate graduated first in his class and went on to become a Rhodes scholar.

Moral of the story; more than 20 years later, my husband was still in the Army while many more of his more promising classmates and fellow officers had gotten out, a long time ago. Early ideas and early performance does not always reflect where you end up. Seems to me that is based on hard work, determination and attitude.

Many of my husbands military high school friends are shocked that he made it through WP much less stayed in and had a successful career. Paths to military service are often neither straight nor narrow but more often filled with curves, holes in the road and sometimes even detours.

I understand frustration; on your part and that of your friend. I guarantee you that if you took the time to speak with others who have received ROTC scholarships and appointments, you would hear some of the same frustrations. I would almost guarantee that noone's path on this journey has been entirely smooth.

Frustration and disappointment gives people an opportunity to gripe and moan ( you've done that) and or an opportunity to do an assessment of the situation, learn from it and ask "what can I do next to improve my opportunities" Maybe this is the position that you and your friend should adopt.
Please understand that other posters are not "on your case" but are generally coming from alot more life experience and realize that what seems "terrible" today usually has a way of working out; often for the better, at a later point in time.
 
To those of you who gave me constructive criticsm, thank you. To those of you who "flamed" me back, I dont care what you say. You've proved your immaturity by arguing with a 17 year old. To those of you who said I DON'T know what it'll be like in the Army and can never be sure if I'll stay or not...WRONG. I have 2 older brothers who are enlisted in the National Guard and a large group of cousins who are spanned through out the military branches. My dad was an NCO for all my years of life and still is. Ive seen all and experienced some aspects of military life. I love it. I would jump in and woller in it like it was mud. As for battle experiences I have none. The closest I've ever been to that are huge scenario paintball tournaments around the East Coast. So yeah...I've never really experienced that field. But I'm sure I'll get over it. To the person who asked about my average PT scores. Sorry that I used the wrong words. My PT scores was a 5.44 Mile (I run the mile in track) 56 PU in a min and 60 SU in a min. I have a 24 on the ACT and a 3.4 GPA. I've always attended smaller Christian Schools so I've never had the oppurtunity to get involved with excellent groups or be any sort of leader in a huge group. I was a above average player on my Basketball and Baseball Team but was never a team leader. I was and still am a Senior leader for my track team though. I am projected to win the mile in state track this year for 2A. Thats about my best physical achievement. I've never been any booksmart though. BUT I have always had more common sense then any of the kids who study profusely and make the best of grades in school. Only in History do I excell cause I love any form of military history. The rest of my grades remain around mid-low B's and a C every once in a while. I am not what most people would consider the best looking on paper...but since I was VERY young I have looked at the Army in awe...it's kinda corny but everytime I see any man or woman in uniform I treat them with the most respect possible and try to be as good as I can be in front of them. I have stacks of different books about the Army in my room...it's sad but I watch the military channel for fun. Anything Army I can get a hold of, I get a hold of it. I've used Adobe premiere and made Army tribute videos and posted them on youtube. I have one cousin who has passed away while in service. I refuse to Salute his grave till I'm a 2nd Lieutenant cause I feel like I would be stupid doing it not being in uniform. I've NEVER given up on anything in life and always strive to do my best. I have pursued anything Army before service and will do so while in service. I will serve this country till I die or they force me to retire. I KNOW that there must be other kids like me who have recieved the unfortunate news that they will probably not recieve a scholarship and their dream ends up crushed. That is why I have anger for those who choose ROTC scholarships over civilian scholarships that pay the same. Cause in some ways, it could rob a kid like me of his dream.
 
It doesn't rob someone of the dream...it changes the path.

The kid who smacked into my son during varsity football practice and broke his collarbone in 3 places did not rob him of his USAFA dream.....it changed his course and landed him at USNA. He could have given up, throw in the towel, and he almost did. But then, the BGO called...why? We'll never know, but since USAFA was out and he decided to apply to NROTC, someone, somewhere thought he might be a good fit for USNA. An orthopedic surgeon that stopped the emergency room from wheeling my son into surgery, a little later CFA deadline, a congressman who was willing to switch son's preference late in the game, a very cooperative DoDMERB staff, and a lot of hard work ..... USNA!

The roadblocks are there for a reason, we just don't know why.
 
TrueCadet22 said:
To those of you who gave me constructive criticsm, thank you. To those of you who "flamed" me back, I dont care what you say. You've proved your immaturity by arguing with a 17 year old. To those of you who said I DON'T know what it'll be like in the Army and can never be sure if I'll stay or not...WRONG. I have 2 older brothers who are enlisted in the National Guard and a large group of cousins who are spanned through out the military branches. My dad was an NCO for all my years of life and still is. Ive seen all and experienced some aspects of military life. I love it. I would jump in and woller in it like it was mud. As for battle experiences I have none. The closest I've ever been to that are huge scenario paintball tournaments around the East Coast. So yeah...I've never really experienced that field. But I'm sure I'll get over it. To the person who asked about my average PT scores. Sorry that I used the wrong words. My PT scores was a 5.44 Mile (I run the mile in track) 56 PU in a min and 60 SU in a min. I have a 24 on the ACT and a 3.4 GPA. I've always attended smaller Christian Schools so I've never had the oppurtunity to get involved with excellent groups or be any sort of leader in a huge group. I was a above average player on my Basketball and Baseball Team but was never a team leader. I was and still am a Senior leader for my track team though. I am projected to win the mile in state track this year for 2A. Thats about my best physical achievement. I've never been any booksmart though. BUT I have always had more common sense then any of the kids who study profusely and make the best of grades in school. Only in History do I excell cause I love any form of military history. The rest of my grades remain around mid-low B's and a C every once in a while. I am not what most people would consider the best looking on paper...but since I was VERY young I have looked at the Army in awe...it's kinda corny but everytime I see any man or woman in uniform I treat them with the most respect possible and try to be as good as I can be in front of them. I have stacks of different books about the Army in my room...it's sad but I watch the military channel for fun. Anything Army I can get a hold of, I get a hold of it. I've used Adobe premiere and made Army tribute videos and posted them on youtube. I have one cousin who has passed away while in service. I refuse to Salute his grave till I'm a 2nd Lieutenant cause I feel like I would be stupid doing it not being in uniform. I've NEVER given up on anything in life and always strive to do my best. I have pursued anything Army before service and will do so while in service. I will serve this country till I die or they force me to retire. I KNOW that there must be other kids like me who have recieved the unfortunate news that they will probably not recieve a scholarship and their dream ends up crushed. That is why I have anger for those who choose ROTC scholarships over civilian scholarships that pay the same. Cause in some ways, it could rob a kid like me of his dream.
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It is very obvious that you are very passionate about the military and clearly appreciate that in others. It is laudable that you have such a temprament.

However, I think you misunderstand many others both here on the board and in military life. Not everyone here comes from a military family, living a military life and doesn't have that self-assurance that you have towards a military career. In many ways, those who don't understand all of the nuances of the lifestyle, but are willing to commit several valuable years of their lives in that lifestyle show a great deal of courage, launching off in to the unknown are even more dedicated.

It is a committment to a principle to serve one's country that is admirable regardless of whether it is born of a lifetime of exposure or of appreciation of the mission from afar. How long one wishes to serve is secondary, as not everyone is allowed to serve 20 years as an officer. It is very competitive to make it to the rank necessary to retire and the system is designed to reduce that number whether by choice or by merit.

So having some enter the officer chain without the clear intention of making it a career does not cause harm to the system as a whole. And having these junior officers return to civilian life after a few years provides the society with disciplined, hard working citizens - still a solid return on Uncle Sam's investment in college tuition.

And so while you hurt for your friend's denied ambition, you need to appreciate that you are very lucky to be have this opportunity (you did get the scholarship didn't you? - you weren't entirely clear about that). Many an applicant with a very strong desire to serve and far more impressive statistics have yet to receive a scholarship offer.

One last thought... You are being selected to lead soldiers in the future, not be a soldier. You will have under your command, many soldiers of different levels of committment. If you are bothered by the committment of those who will be your peers, you will be ultimately frustrated by those under your command. It will be your job to inspire them to achieve the mission in addition to being responsible for their achieving it. And I have never heard of a leader who is effective while not trusting his subordinates motivation.

If working with or leading those who come to you less committed than you are is not your thing, you may want to reconsider life as an officer.
 
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TrueCadet,

From AROTC Scholarship Recipient on parents account.....

Since you don't feel comfortable arguing with adults, you can state your claims to someone who is the same age. Both of my parents are former military that never pushed me to join the military. I am "using the army for my college" because I know that it will get me where I want to be 5 years from now, while also serving my country. Who knows what will happen past 5 years? My academics, extracurriculars, leadership, athletics, etc. did qualify me for an ROTC scholarship, but contrary to your belief that "competive students on paper" can qualify for outside scholarships is totally unfounded...even with an ACT score of 32 and an UW GPA above a 3.9, I don't qualify for merit aid at top tier schools. Possibly one of the reasons your friend didn't get the scholarship is because one of the purposes of the scholarship program is to attract students that are high performing in all SAL aspects.

As to your belief that you have "seen all in military life"...good luck trying to get that to fly with your superiors and peers. Even with both of my parents formerly in the military I wouldn't claim that I know everything by any means.
 
TrueCadet, I feel your frustration and anger but please try to see a bigger picture. I was an Army ROTC scholarship recipient, and believe me when I tell you there was no more gung-ho cadet than I. My scholarship (note the root of the word "scholar") was based on my performance in school, not the fact that I wanted to be the first female Infantry officer in the history of the Army. My husband was a nuclear power officer on a submarine in the Navy, he didn't go to college on scholarship, but was recruited out of school because he was a Suma Cum Laude B.S. from Notre Dame. The investment that the military makes in the education of future officers (and that ultimately tax payers make) requires the boards to choose those with great scholastic aptitude as well as fulfilling the other numerous attributes desirable in a military officer. To be crass but honest, great officers can come out of OCS with little or no college background but loads of leadership qualities, integrity, and the skills necessary to succeed. If a person LOVES the Army they can pursue that route. I went on to become a Master Parachutist and Communications and Intelligence Officer (branch transfer) in both the Second Infantry and Eighty Second Airborne Divisions. I didn't have a 20 year career in the Army, but do I think the scholarship I received was wasted? NO WAY!! I gave the Army all I had when I was in, but honestly, when I was in, stateside duty wasn't for me. Hmmm.... I never, NEVER would have known that until I was on active duty. So, my son is going to Notre Dame on a Navy ROTC scholarship. Does he know if he wants a career? Are you kidding? He's never been on a sub, can't see to fly jets, and likes the water. Who knows? He knows he wants to try, and he wants to serve this fabulous country. What more can you ask?
 
Lesrunmore....Loved hearing about your background! Great story. Don't know if we'll see you at ND or not...looks like we're getting closer to Annapolis.
 
I've been following this, uh, turn of events, shall we say, throughout the day, and I can't help but feel that I am partially the target of TrueCadet22's outburst.

Yes, I said I want to veterinarian, but has it ever occurred to you that I might not want to do so in a private practice? The Army is the only branch of the military that has a Veterinary Corps and they play an integral part in the protection of our soldiers. Not only do the veterinarians care for military working dogs, they also monitor the food supply. Who do you think were the ones that caught the poisoned food supply last week?

Also, I'm rather offended that you would make such harsh judgments of your future fellow cadets and officers. Making your peers out to be "golddiggers" is not going to get you far, and it also won't get your buddy a scholarship. You also make a mistake in assuming that all ROTC scholarship recipients have equal offers of financial aid on the table from who-knows-where. I, for one, have not received any offers for "civilian scholarships that pay the same." And even if I had, I would still choose to do ROTC! TrueCadet22, other people have the same respect for the military and desire to serve as you do!

Frankly, I am a bit confused by some of your statements. You have been awarded a scholarship (congratulations!), and while your friend hasn't, I still don't understand where all this resentment is coming from. You have admitted that your stats were not the strongest, but nobody is saying you are unworthy of a scholarship. Your friend, you say, also has lower stats, and it appears he is just not high up enough on the OML to be awarded one at the national level. Keep in mind that this IS a competition and scholarships will be awarded to the best applicants, not the ones who want it "most" (in quotes because I believe anyone who is willing to take this step and become an Army officer has demonstrated that they do truly want this, and there is no measure of devotion to one's country).

That said, I would like to reiterate my previous point about us being in the same boat. In four years, you and I and every other ROTC cadet will be commissioned together and have to work together, so it might do you well to let go of your resentment towards those you believe are "using the Army," but in reality just want to serve, just like you. I wish you the best, and would recommend your friend look into getting a campus-based scholarship.
 
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To those of you who gave me constructive criticsm, thank you. To those of you who "flamed" me back, I dont care what you say. You've proved your immaturity by arguing with a 17 year old. To those of you who said I DON'T know what it'll be like in the Army and can never be sure if I'll stay or not...WRONG. I have 2 older brothers who are enlisted in the National Guard and a large group of cousins who are spanned through out the military branches. My dad was an NCO for all my years of life and still is. Ive seen all and experienced some aspects of military life. I love it. I would jump in and woller in it like it was mud. As for battle experiences I have none. The closest I've ever been to that are huge scenario paintball tournaments around the East Coast. So yeah...I've never really experienced that field. But I'm sure I'll get over it. To the person who asked about my average PT scores. Sorry that I used the
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Having family members in the army doesn't mean anything. You aren't the one out there working everyday and getting deployed. Thinking that their experience somehow rubs off on you is just naive. As you pointed out, you're 17 years old and have no real experience in the Army. Until you actually pin on your rank and start working, you DON'T know what the Army is like, no matter how badly you may think you do. Even the cadets here admit they don't know what the real Army is like even though we are taught, trained, and surrounded by active duty personnel 24/7.

You shouldn't bash on others simply because they admit they are too young or have too little experience with the Army to make a life decision. That would be like getting married at age 17 by just looking at a woman talk to your friends and saying "I love her because I have seen her and heard about her from my dad although I personally never spend time with her or talked to her". Obviously, you need real personal experience with something before you make the career decision.

As far as robbing a kid of his dream: An ROTC scholarship is not the only way to go in the Army. If someone truly "loves" the army then they can pay for college or enlist and have the army pay for it. The only person who can rob you of your dream is yourself because a truly committed person can get somewhere even if its not through the easiest path. Anyone can dream all they want but the fact of life is that you do not receive things based on how bad you want them, but on how well you perform. You will find this will apply in ROTC, the Army, and life in general.
 
Honestly young man you scare me a little. One of the traits of a successful officer is to remain calm, cool and collected. Not really seeing that right now.
 
ok folks lets let this go now and not continue to post commentary about each others posts.
 
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Honestly young man you scare me a little. One of the traits of a successful officer is to remain calm, cool and collected. Not really seeing that right now.
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I could name a few great generals to you that were hot heads at a young age and lost their cool at points and also had strong outspoken opinions. Like George S. Patton. Just because somebody has strong opinions and can lose their cool at times doesnt mean that their a flop or anything. Sometimes people can fuel their anger into motivation.
 
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I've been following this, uh, turn of events, shall we say, throughout the day, and I can't help but feel that I am partially the target of TrueCadet22's outburst.

Yes, I said I want to veterinarian, but has it ever occurred to you that I might not want to do so in a private practice? The Army is the only branch of the military that has a Veterinary Corps and they play an integral part in the protection of our soldiers. Not only do the veterinarians care for military working dogs, they also monitor the food supply. Who do you think were the ones that caught the poisoned food supply last week?

Also, I'm rather offended that you would make such harsh judgments of your future fellow cadets and officers. Making your peers out to be "golddiggers" is not going to get you far, and it also won't get your buddy a scholarship. You also make a mistake in assuming that all ROTC scholarship recipients have equal offers of financial aid on the table from who-knows-where. I, for one, have not received any offers for "civilian scholarships that pay the same." And even if I had, I would still choose to do ROTC! TrueCadet22, other people have the same respect for the military and desire to serve as you do!

Frankly, I am a bit confused by some of your statements. You have been awarded a scholarship (congratulations!), and while your friend hasn't, I still don't understand where all this resentment is coming from. You have admitted that your stats were not the strongest, but nobody is saying you are unworthy of a scholarship. Your friend, you say, also has lower stats, and it appears he is just not high up enough on the OML to be awarded one at the national level. Keep in mind that this IS a competition and scholarships will be awarded to the best applicants, not the ones who want it "most" (in quotes because I believe anyone who is willing to take this step and become an Army officer has demonstrated that they do truly want this, and there is no measure of devotion to one's country).

That said, I would like to reiterate my previous point about us being in the same boat. In four years, you and I and every other ROTC cadet will be commissioned together and have to work together, so it might do you well to let go of your resentment towards those you believe are "using the Army," but in reality just want to serve, just like you. I wish you the best, and would recommend your friend look into getting a campus-based scholarship.
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My resentment is simple...since me and my friend were in 7th grade (when we met), we knew about ROTC and decided to make it our future. I helped him with all class work I could, encouraged him, excercised with him, and did anything I could to help him. But when I see him get denied because his grades arent high enough...it makes me hot. Because I know somewhere out there that their is a kid that has been blessed with good grades and smarts and has been offered other full ride scholarships but took the ROTC one "just because". Maybe he took it for the ROTC campus ego, or just to experience some fun...Idk. But when those kids take the offer for lesser reasons compared to someone with huge reasons.....it just breaks my heart to see my best friend that way. If I had another way to pay full way for college I would definately give him my scholarship. Unfortuneatly though my parents dont have that ability and I havent been blessed with the best smarts to get a civie scholarship. So not only do I get college paid for by my dream career but I know my reasons for taking the scholarship are Noble and Loyal to the USA. I know my friend would be to...but he was "robbed" of the easy path. I will do everything in my power to help him through this. And NO angagles or whatever your name is, I am NOT saying your daughter robbed my friend. And no he would not take the Scholarship from someone so resentful of a sad and irritated friend.
 
Dude,
No offense, but maybe your friend just didn't make the cut. Not everyone is meant to do ROTC. The scholarships are competitive. There is a relatively objective system to make sure that everyone gets that chance.
Just cause your friend "really wants it" and has been working on it from 7th grade, doesn't mean that he should get a scholarship over someone who is more qualified.

Personally, I don't know if I'll make a career out of the Army, but that makes me no less worthy of a scholarship then someone else...
 
The world deprives it self of great heroes every time it puts "qualifications" on people. MANY people did not think Abraham Lincoln was qaulified for anything. But look what he did. I'm not saying that my friends gonna be the next Abe. He'll make it through this though. But sometimes the world hurts itself with it rules and regulations.
 
He ended up getting to where he is through hard work, not just the plain fact that he was Abraham Lincoln. I understand your frustrations but it is not over for your friend. With more hard work in the future, he will find ways to make his dream work.

I know my friend would be to...but he was "robbed" of the easy path
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This concerns me, can you please explain what you mean by "the easy path"?
 
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