Actually, if my DS' NJROTC instructor is correct, they cancelled the August board. Apparently NRC couldn't get enough officers to sit on the board in August. They will pick an "X" amount of records for September (a somewhat higher than usual # to review) and the rest will roll to October. This from the ROTC recruiter direct to the NJROTC commander, who told me last night - for what it is worth.
When should we start finding out?
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Interesting on how different branches work. The AFROTC board is held at the AF HQ in Maxwell. Members of the board are not volunteer, it is actually a part of their job requirement.
The only thing that makes me quizzical is the last statement...couldn't get enough officers to sit on the board...This does sound like a line of BS, because officers don't have an option, they are COMMANDED to sit on the board...regardless if it is a TDY or actual duty. They can't say...SORRY, I can't make it, unless their operational position takes precedence. Granted the Navy is fighting two wars like the Army and the AF, but neither of the other 2 branches canceled boards due to not getting enough officers to sit on a board. If anyone could play that card it would be the Army.
ROTC is a large component for every branch regarding officer recruitment, every branch has within their service a component that handles ROTC, it is not a go with the flow, willy nilly aspect within the Navy as your JROTC instructor is implying via the "couldn't get enough officers" comment.
I think the real reason is with the intended drawdown from Iraq and Afghanistan, the Navy is mimicking their sister branches and trying to strategically plan manpower in this economic downturn, thus, the boards will occur less frequently.
For lurkers or candidates/parents of candidates it is important to understand the military make up. The military has a set ratio of officer to enlisted. Within the officer rank, there is a set Flag to Field to Company. ROTC/OCS is the wild card. SA's are expected to graduate a number, ROTC/OCS will fill up the remaining amount. IF the military reduces personnel size, Officers will be hit too. They will cut from every level to create the ratio...ROTC/OCS will be in their bulls eye sight because they can close this pipeline down the fastest without doing great damage. There is a large push for reducing the DOD budget, and one way to do so is to release the AD members based on the draw down of Iraq.
I am being honest, what I am seeing now with the NROTC and the AROTC is shadowing what occurred with the AFROTC in the past 2 yrs. This also occurred in 92...AF was the first to RIF, within 18 months Navy and Army followed suit. 10 will get you 20 Navy is doing this to close the valve. This is a preemptive strike before they are forced to do a RIF
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I'm having a difficult time believing the Navy would have their heads so far up their rear ends that they would wait until the end of August to "discover" they didn't either have enough "volunteers" to sit on a scholarship board or that it might be time to re-examine their manpower projections. Lets hope that the OPs DS's NJROTC instructor is wrong and the Navy actually has their act together.
BTW - the scholarship status page still says that "Selection decisions will begin in late August..". Perhaps they couldn't find a volunteer to change the site?
BTW - the scholarship status page still says that "Selection decisions will begin in late August..". Perhaps they couldn't find a volunteer to change the site?
I don't believe that they are so short on manpower that they cannot field enough officers to sit on this board. Something happened at the last minute which resulted in someone or several someones not being able to sit on the board. I don't know all the details as the NJROTC Commander was vague in his answer. Remember he was speaking to an E-6 who probably got it second hand from CNRC, etc. etc. I could speculate all day...
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AG,
I agree this sounds like a bunch of BS being thrown out because they do not know the inside facts.
I don't know about the NJROTC for that child, but I can tell you at our DS's hs, the AFJROTC commander was not AD. At his school, not one of the AFJROTC students received an AFROTC scholarship, nor an MOC nom. Our DS got not only the AFROTC scholarship, but also every MOC nom available. It created issues within the school, of who the heck is this kid? (Graduating class was 300). I know for a fact that the AFJROTC commander did not know who the AF ALO was.
I would suggest to Bird, trust your NJROTC commander, but start investigating chances on your own through this site. Nobody here knows the size of the NJROTC command, maybe they have every cadet get a scholarship, maybe only 10% do. Is the NJROTC also the BGO? It is important to understand that candidates for USNA also apply for NROTC as plan B.
I am just highly suspect of an officer in a leadership position saying boards are being delayed because they don't have enough officers...again this is not a volunteer situation, it is a command order to sit on the board with TDY paperwork to boot! Yes, the Navy is spread thin, but so is the AF and the Army, yet they are still holding boards. 2+2 does not equal 4 here.
I agree this sounds like a bunch of BS being thrown out because they do not know the inside facts.
I don't know about the NJROTC for that child, but I can tell you at our DS's hs, the AFJROTC commander was not AD. At his school, not one of the AFJROTC students received an AFROTC scholarship, nor an MOC nom. Our DS got not only the AFROTC scholarship, but also every MOC nom available. It created issues within the school, of who the heck is this kid? (Graduating class was 300). I know for a fact that the AFJROTC commander did not know who the AF ALO was.
I would suggest to Bird, trust your NJROTC commander, but start investigating chances on your own through this site. Nobody here knows the size of the NJROTC command, maybe they have every cadet get a scholarship, maybe only 10% do. Is the NJROTC also the BGO? It is important to understand that candidates for USNA also apply for NROTC as plan B.
I am just highly suspect of an officer in a leadership position saying boards are being delayed because they don't have enough officers...again this is not a volunteer situation, it is a command order to sit on the board with TDY paperwork to boot! Yes, the Navy is spread thin, but so is the AF and the Army, yet they are still holding boards. 2+2 does not equal 4 here.
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BS or not, I think it is safe to say that within the next week to 10 days we'll know whether the Navy actually held a scholarship board last week or not. Considering how many strong USNA applicants are also applying to NROTC as a plan B, there is no chance that no one on this board will receive a scholarship from the August board...if there was an August board. 
AFROTC, NROTC & AROTC....seems as though all will be at least as competitive as last year.
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With the shape of the economy, reducing fear of combat, and a RIF (at least for AF), I am willing to take the bet 10 will get you 20, this will be the most competitive yr in recent history, surpassing FY 2010 for applicants while the pot of money remains the same.
SORRY!
The good news for parents with children that are juniors or younger is that I am out of children so the God's of fate will probably decrease the competitiveness beginning NEXT year.
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Would love to agree AG, but only time will tell and a big part of that puzzle is the economy. If our economy stays in the tanks more and more kids will apply because they think it is a FREE **** education!
****That is my pet peeve...this should never be seen as a FREE education...the dues you pay are not worth the cost.
If you are going this route to reduce your college education, do yourself a favor go CC for 2 yrs and then transfer. Your life is a part of that free education, decide how much is it worth before applying for an ROTC scholarship because IT'S Free! Is it worth moving to Korea for a yr? Is it worth living an airplane ride away for yrs? Is it worth deploying to Afghanistan? YES? Then apply! NO? Then comprehend the fact you could be signing a deal with the devil for a free education. Think about it without the illusion of Top Gun, or wearing the uniform. Think about reality.
I am sure I will be slammed for my negative attitude, but honestly, it is not negative. I want the illusion removed and replaced with reality. I want everyone to say I reviewed the good, bad and ugly, and now show me where to sign for my scholarship!
****That is my pet peeve...this should never be seen as a FREE education...the dues you pay are not worth the cost.
If you are going this route to reduce your college education, do yourself a favor go CC for 2 yrs and then transfer. Your life is a part of that free education, decide how much is it worth before applying for an ROTC scholarship because IT'S Free! Is it worth moving to Korea for a yr? Is it worth living an airplane ride away for yrs? Is it worth deploying to Afghanistan? YES? Then apply! NO? Then comprehend the fact you could be signing a deal with the devil for a free education. Think about it without the illusion of Top Gun, or wearing the uniform. Think about reality.
I am sure I will be slammed for my negative attitude, but honestly, it is not negative. I want the illusion removed and replaced with reality. I want everyone to say I reviewed the good, bad and ugly, and now show me where to sign for my scholarship!
I got confirmation from my regional coordinator that NRC did in fact cancel the August Board. Does anybody have any concrete ideas of why? Do you think they will be pushing everybody back a month now. I was previously going to be reviewed in September. Will it be October now?
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I don't think anyone has any concrete ideas of why.
Here is my guesstimate of why Aug was canceled...the Navy ran out of money! Boards held in August or September will come out of FY 2010 for board members...not scholarships. Depending on the make-up of the board, TDY and per diem pay could come into play. If the Navy has run out out of funds for these pay allowances, they would cancel and wait until October, since FY 2011 starts Oct. 1.
For NROTC and AROTC candidates, it is important to understand the system. Your SCHOLARSHIP is tied to the COLLEGES on your list.
The Navy may have decided through historical data that they are spinning wheels by giving out scholarships to schools where the candidate did not get accepted by the university. They may be seeing that they prefer to hold boards later so they don't have to waste ROTC manpower hours by re-jigging your list. I.E, you get an NRPOTC scholarship to your 5, but none of your 5 accept you, thus they have to come back and re-evaluate you to get into the colleges that accept you, but were not on your list for the det.
I truly don't understand why the NROTC and AROTC has this system, because @ 3 yrs on this site, I have seen handfuls of scholarship recipients post they got the scholarship, but not the school. I am an AFROTC parent, but I think their system wastes less manpower hours by saying here's your scholarship take it anywhere that accepts AFROTC. This system doesn't require more manpower hours (all of the ROTC scholarship personnel are AD) to say okay, let's re-jig this for you because now we have to match up your school acceptance list with the det seems like double work.
I would love for someone to explain why the AFROTC is the oddball in this ROTC scholarship situation, because I have yet to understand the fiscal benefit from an NROTC or AROTC pov.
Here is my guesstimate of why Aug was canceled...the Navy ran out of money! Boards held in August or September will come out of FY 2010 for board members...not scholarships. Depending on the make-up of the board, TDY and per diem pay could come into play. If the Navy has run out out of funds for these pay allowances, they would cancel and wait until October, since FY 2011 starts Oct. 1.
For NROTC and AROTC candidates, it is important to understand the system. Your SCHOLARSHIP is tied to the COLLEGES on your list.
The Navy may have decided through historical data that they are spinning wheels by giving out scholarships to schools where the candidate did not get accepted by the university. They may be seeing that they prefer to hold boards later so they don't have to waste ROTC manpower hours by re-jigging your list. I.E, you get an NRPOTC scholarship to your 5, but none of your 5 accept you, thus they have to come back and re-evaluate you to get into the colleges that accept you, but were not on your list for the det.
I truly don't understand why the NROTC and AROTC has this system, because @ 3 yrs on this site, I have seen handfuls of scholarship recipients post they got the scholarship, but not the school. I am an AFROTC parent, but I think their system wastes less manpower hours by saying here's your scholarship take it anywhere that accepts AFROTC. This system doesn't require more manpower hours (all of the ROTC scholarship personnel are AD) to say okay, let's re-jig this for you because now we have to match up your school acceptance list with the det seems like double work.
I would love for someone to explain why the AFROTC is the oddball in this ROTC scholarship situation, because I have yet to understand the fiscal benefit from an NROTC or AROTC pov.
Sorry for my ignorance, but could you explain what FY 2010, TDY, and per diem pay are? I know a good deal about the NROTC program however I haven't seen those terms thrown around...thanks
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FY 2010 is Fiscal Year 2010.
Per diem is for each day (similar to carpe diem, capture the day)
However, I do not know tdy
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Off topic, but if you are new to the military system, on this site, at the bottom of the home page you will see a link for acronyms. So when in doubt you can also find the majority of them there.
Honestly, TDY, PCS (moving), BAH (housing pay) and BAS (subsidy pay) are the ones that you will see float around here the most often. I think also in the Navy they call TDY, TDA. The AF calls it TDY.
The other thing which can be confusing to new members. At the SA's C4C is the equivalent to a C100 in ROTC, thus don't think a C4C is short for a C400 cadet, because it isn't.
Good luck on your scholarship
Honestly, TDY, PCS (moving), BAH (housing pay) and BAS (subsidy pay) are the ones that you will see float around here the most often. I think also in the Navy they call TDY, TDA. The AF calls it TDY.
The other thing which can be confusing to new members. At the SA's C4C is the equivalent to a C100 in ROTC, thus don't think a C4C is short for a C400 cadet, because it isn't.
Good luck on your scholarship
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Hi everyone! I was wondering if anyone here knew when the 2010-2011 school year NROTC scholarship board dates are? I turned in my application in mid November (if I remember correctly) and still hve yet to gear from the board. My local recruiting office said that o should find out between two to three weeks and it has been long past that. I'm checking everyday for an update, as I really hope to get this scholarship!
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Your NROTC coordinator must be new to the game.
First of all,
Candidates that submitted back in Aug/Sept are still waiting to here.
Secondly,
Even if the boards didn't have any backlog, there is about a 5- 6 week lag time.
The reason why is because you need to have your packet in by a pre-determined date prior to the board, and that could be up to 2 weeks prior to the board, than it takes about 3 weeks for the results to be released.
You submitted in mid November, ROTC and SA boards do take Thanksgiving week off. That would mean the 1st board available would be Dec. Results would than come out shortly before Xmas.
This forum is filled with NROTC scholarship announcements and they came out @12/23.
They probably had one more board in Dec. and those results will probably pop up the 1st week of January.
TRUST ME this forum lights up like a XMAS Tree when they release the results. They do not do it in drips and drabs, it is one fell swoop.
You can check everyday, but right now the military is operating skeleton crew and it is unlikely that any more names will be dropped to the list for a few more weeks.
It stinks I know, but that is the way the system works.
First of all,
Candidates that submitted back in Aug/Sept are still waiting to here.
Secondly,
Even if the boards didn't have any backlog, there is about a 5- 6 week lag time.
The reason why is because you need to have your packet in by a pre-determined date prior to the board, and that could be up to 2 weeks prior to the board, than it takes about 3 weeks for the results to be released.
You submitted in mid November, ROTC and SA boards do take Thanksgiving week off. That would mean the 1st board available would be Dec. Results would than come out shortly before Xmas.
This forum is filled with NROTC scholarship announcements and they came out @12/23.
They probably had one more board in Dec. and those results will probably pop up the 1st week of January.
TRUST ME this forum lights up like a XMAS Tree when they release the results. They do not do it in drips and drabs, it is one fell swoop.
You can check everyday, but right now the military is operating skeleton crew and it is unlikely that any more names will be dropped to the list for a few more weeks.
It stinks I know, but that is the way the system works.
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I found out yesterday that I had received an NROTC scholarship by checking their web site. All of my paperwork and interviews were completed by October 15. I hope that this helps. Good luck!
I found out yesterday that I had received an NROTC scholarship by checking their web site. All of my paperwork and interviews were completed by October 15. I hope that this helps. Good luck!