When will they say "no"?

As for when you'll know, there is not cut off date. And yes, it can get crazy. In the last couple years, I had one cadet who got the rejection letter. Sorry, try again next year. A week later, he received a letter offering a prep school slot. He asked for my honest opinion on whether to accept it or not. I recommended that he not take the prep school offer. (I thought his application was too good for the prep school, plus he already got accepted to a very, very prestigious east coast school with a full ride private scholarship). So I felt he should turn down the prep school. Our senator felt the same way, and even called the academy to ask what the hell were they thinking. 2 days later, he was offered an appointment. He did accept the appointment. So, you never know what can happen. Truth be told, I think the prep school offer was an administrative error. But had he not received the appointment, he would have turned the prep school down and taken the prestigious university offer.mnot saying I'm recommending that to anyone here. Every applicant is different and their options are unique.

This example makes me feel we should "check up" on our DS application as to why (if he doesn't in the future) receive an appointment. Could it be a mistake? He was told by both senators and his Rep. that he is one of the best candidates they have seen. (no principal noms, just one competitive and one Senator alternate) We believe he should get appointed too, but nothing is guaranteed. His ALO has pretty much been off the radar since day one. (ALO says he has over 200+ students). Maybe I'm just being impatient, (OK not maybe) but reading the Appointed class of 2019 thread, is definitely turning up the anxiety levels.
I agree with what you said about viewing the c/o 2019 thread. Especially seeing how the number of appointments has increased in the last few days. While I am most certainly very happy for an proud of everyone who gets to put their name on that list, I feel a little sad every time I see that appointments were sent out and I wasn't included. But we must just pray for patience and work on back-ups and plans b-z for the time being. I really hope your DS gets in! It sounds like he has an excellent shot!
 
Thank you, bailey - but that's the thing, don't know if he has a good shot of getting in, or if the MOC's just tell everyone they have an impressive resume! Yes, we are all most certainly thrilled for those getting appointed now, but then you wonder if we just need to be more patient or if it is possible, as Christcorp said, that mistakes can happen.
 
Just hang in there! You got this! I know, it's so very tough right now, but if it's any consolation, I know that if your son has made it this far in the process, he's got a very bright future in store, regardless of what happens wit USAFA. I will definitely be keeping your family in my prayers :)
 
In the deferral letter it says we can continue to update our application, but how do we update it? Do we have to tell someone?
 
Contact your admissions counselor, and they'll tell you what to do depending on the type of update it is.
 
Wow, I remember this anxiety from last year. The wait is awful. So let me speak from experience:

I just looked and I see only 26 on the appointment list right now (yes, there are probably more but not as many as you may think.) I know this is easy to say and not to do but, since there will be ~1200+ appointments, there's no reason to be anxious just yet. It isn't even March. Take a deep breath and relax. Enjoy life and each other because should an appointment come in, and June rolls around, you won't see your kid again until Parent's Weekend at the end of summer. And above all else, encourage your child to enjoy his/her senior year (but don't get into trouble)!
 
So, if I remember correctly, I finally received official rejection letters around May when I applied twice. After it hit April and I hadn't heard anything, I made other plans and kept hoping, looking at USAFA as amazing if it came through, but focusing on deciding between my other schools. Kept hoping right till I-day both years, but now I'm a junior in AFROTC, love it and I'm not looking back!
 
I think afrotc16 has the right idea. Embrace your plan B because it will be awesome too and may even have trade offs that are better, even if a SA is your primary choice. I love my DS's plan B afrotc backup and know he would thrive there as well! If your #1 comes through, it's a bonus, but even the back ups are excellent options for service and success!

In the meantime, we wait together.
 
A classmate of mine received his appointment less than a week before we reported.
And he came from Germany!!

Steve
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USAFA '83
 
I found out a football player in our congressional district signed with AFA yesterday. Will this affect my son's chances for an appointment to AFA?
 
Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on how USAFA charges his appointment. If they charge him to your DSs MOC slate, than your DS maybe sent to the national pool. If they charge him to another source than the slate your DS is on is still in place.
 
Hill, SA signing days are really just for show. The candidate really "accepted his offer of appointment" yesterday...or had already done so and they have a ceremony to "look" like other college signings. He could show up day one and say he's not going to play and remain a cadet...can't do that at a civilian college that he's committed to playing at. They take away their scholarships.

As for your son's chances, it all depends on who the athlete's appointment gets charged to. If not charged to your MOC, then doesn't affect your son at all.
 
Hill, SA signing days are really just for show. The candidate really "accepted his offer of appointment" yesterday...or had already done so and they have a ceremony to "look" like other college signings. He could show up day one and say he's not going to play and remain a cadet...can't do that at a civilian college that he's committed to playing at. They take away their scholarships.

As for your son's chances, it all depends on who the athlete's appointment gets charged to. If not charged to your MOC, then doesn't affect your son at all.
Hill, SA signing days are really just for show. The candidate really "accepted his offer of appointment" yesterday...or had already done so and they have a ceremony to "look" like other college signings. He could show up day one and say he's not going to play and remain a cadet...can't do that at a civilian college that he's committed to playing at. They take away their scholarships.

As for your son's chances, it all depends on who the athlete's appointment gets charged to. If not charged to your MOC, then doesn't affect your son at all.
Hill, SA signing days are really just for show. The candidate really "accepted his offer of appointment" yesterday...or had already done so and they have a ceremony to "look" like other college signings. He could show up day one and say he's not going to play and remain a cadet...can't do that at a civilian college that he's committed to playing at. They take away their scholarships.

As for your son's chances, it all depends on who the athlete's appointment gets charged to. If not charged to your MOC, then doesn't affect your son at all.

Thank you all. Apparently this boy was being scouted by Army and AFA both as well as receiving a scholarship to play football from a really good school. It's killing me, but I am pretty sure because he is such a good athlete, he has knocked my son out of the MOC spot. Oh well, my Eagle Scout has other options that I am sure will work for him in the long run.
 
Hill,
Look at this scenario, maybe that football player had an LOA from the Academy b/c they wanted him to play football and they can charge that appointment to the Superintendent.
Your MOC submits a slate of 10 with your DS and that athlete on it.
Academy charges the athlete to the sup, and your MOC slate still has 9 other candidates competing for an appointment.
Maybe your DS wins the slate of 9 and gets the appointment charged to the MOC.
Maybe that MOC has 2 openings to fill and 2 other candidates on that slate(including your DS) get appointments....you really have no way of knowing how appointments will get charged.
DS goes into the National Pool and they give him an appointment from there and charge it to whomever...they work that out.

Keep the faith, our Eagle is waiting on AFA, USNA, NROTC and has been accepted at 4 plan B schools all with great ROTC brigades if he wants to go that route and earn a college programmer scholarship.

Be patient, work on all other options to be sure he has places to choose from and whatever road is put in front of him, if he wants to be an officer, he will be.
 
Hill -
Last year there were 3 football players in our district who "signed" for USAFA. One went to Prep - so not really signing for USAFA, but that wasn't really explained in front of the media. As MJP says, the signing for the academies is for show. Yes, they all need the same nomination your son needs, but don't necessarily assume that the athlete is taking the nomination away from your DS. My "Eagle Scout" made it in without being a recruited athlete. And as you can tell by the NUMEROUS threads on this forum, how the academy hands out appointment and shuffles nominations is way too complicated for most of us to understand. Good luck to you all.
 
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There have been a lot of good comments in the last few posts. Some are over simplified. Some are over complicated.

As for the football player in question, and the affect it has on your son's chances, it is true that it depends where his appointment is charged. But it's not that simple.

1. Approximately 50% of all appointments AREN'T CHARGED TO ANYONE. Yup, that's correct. All of those national pool appointments.... They aren't charged to anyone. While the federal law says that a MOC can have no more than 5 cadets at the academy at one time, CHARGED TO THEM, in theory they could have 30 cadets from their district with 25 of them coming off of the national pool. Those DON'T COUNT towards the MOC. They aren't charged to him/her.

2. As mentioned, an LOA is SIMILAR. They CAN be charged to a MOC's slot, but they don't have to be. An LOA usually comes off of that 50% that aren't charged to anyone. It simply says in an LOA; "Must Have a Nomination". They can be #10 on the MOC's list. Doesn't matter. An LOA can be just like the national pool. NOT CHARGED. Matter of fact; MOST MOC's if they see an individual with an LOA, they PURPOSELY give them a nomination at the BOTTOM of their list. This way they still get their appointment, but they'll rank their list so their #1 nominee ALSO RECEIVES an appointment. (Most MOCs know how to play the game).

3. As for people speaking of getting a "Superintendent" nomination. That's for people who CAN'T or DON'T get a nomination from ANY OTHER PLACE, but the academy really want them. (Not just athletes). In that case, that too has no affect on the candidates who did get a MOC nomination and are competing.

4. As mentioned, Signing Day for academy IC sports means absolutely nothing. It's not contractual and it doesn't actually commit the athlete to anything. But because the academy recognizes that most athlete/applicants have no idea what athletics at the academy means, they intentionally do things like Signing Day because it's something the athlete can understand. And it gives them the "STATUS and KUDOS" at their local high school of being a "Recruited Athlete". But as has been mentioned, the athlete can change his/her mind all the way up to BCT and go to another school. They could get to BCT and decide to be just a cadet and NOT play sports. The coach, especially in football, will cut approximately 50% of the "Freshmen Football" players during the first season. So being a recruited athlete at the academy have very little in common with being a recruited athlete at a traditional school.

So in a nutshell, yes, an athlete can affect the chances of a non-athlete candidate. But it is extremely slim and rare. The ONLY way is if the athlete individual received their appointment and it was CHARGED to their MOC nomination. Any other way has no affect on your son or any other applicant. (Other than the TOTAL count coming from the national pool). Case in Point. My son was a recruited athlete. He also had a Presidential Nomination. He had his entire application completed in July. He RECEIVED an Appointment at the end of October using his Presidential. Now; being he was an recruited athlete, does that mean he may have taken the spot away from another individual with a Presidential Nomination. Very unlikely. Because most appointments aren't done until much later than October. In my son's case, he actually received his appointment PRIOR to being recruited and PRIOR to getting a MOC nomination. Matter of fact, he contacted our Representative and Senators and told them to NOT interview him and to NOT give him a nomination; because he already had an appointment. This way, the MOC's could give a nomination to ANOTHER candidate and it would increase their appointees that year. Point is; just because my son was a recruited athlete, doesn't mean he was "Less Qualified" than a non-recruited athlete. Like I said, my son received an APPOINTMENT PRIOR to being recruited or getting a MOC nomination. He was going to receive an appointment pretty much no matter what. Without knowing the recruited athlete in question, who's to say he wasn't also a 4.0gpa student with 30+ ACT. Captain of 2 varsity sports. In the IB Program or All AP classes. With 300 hours of volunteer time. Vice President of his class. Ranked #1-#5 in his class. I didn't bring up my son much when he was at the academy, but he graduated 3 years ago, so I don't mind mentioning it. He was a recruited athletes, Yes.... But he was also the candidate who received an appointment WITHOUT the need of athletics. He was the 4.0gpa, 30+ ACT, #1 ranked, IB Class, class officer, etc. student.

So yes, maybe this recruited football player might bump someone from receiving an appointment. But maybe they "Still Deserve it". Just because an individual is an athlete doesn't mean they are automatically "Less Qualified" than non-Athletes. It doesn't mean they are all "Dumb Jocks". I know a LOT of academy athletes; recruited and non; who graduated at the top of their class. BOTH High School and the academy. I know a LOT of these cadets who got accepted to grad school, med school, PhD programs, etc. There are a LOT OF PARENTS on this forum who's cadet played high school AND ACADEMY SPORTS, and they also had the 3.9+GPA, 30ACT, etc... I will not argue that there is indeed SOME athletes who get to the academy with less than Stellar academics. But they DO meet the minimum requirements, and 99% of the time, they had a nomination and got selected in the national pool or LOA that didn't have a significant affect on those competing for the "CHARGED SLOTS". So yes, some applicants can be affected, but it's very slim.
 
Christcorp,
Approximately how many candidates are charged to the Superintendent each year? If I'm understanding correctly, this nomination is reserved for those who the Academy really wants but were unable to get a nomination from any other sources, correct?
 
I think Sup can nominate up to 50 Not sure how many appointments can be or are charged to the Sup.
 
I'm on my iPad and can't look it up, but I believe that mjp is correct with 50. But you have to realize that that is a maximum number. It is not uncommon to have less. Just like the maximum appointments Charged against a presidential nomination is 100, but it's not uncommon for the academy to only use 75-80.

The key is that all the slates that can be charged are done first, then the national pool fills the rest of the class. And again, the superintendent slots aren't just for athletes. And no, the academy can't just move people to other slates to be charged unless they qualify for that. When I was living in Spain, I helped a kid get into the academy. His dad worked for a big oil company in Spain. He went to an international school. The kid walked on water. Kick butt SAT scores. Similar to a 4.0 gpa. Involved in 3 sports. Many clubs. Spoke 3 languages fluently. Lived in 5 countries. Etc. but his closest thing to a nomination was the state his parents claimed as home. He didn't get a nomination from them because it was competitive and also I believe because the MOC there didn't really consider him a constituent or cared about him. He got a superintendent type nomination and received an appointment.

A lot of people think for athletes and a lesser extent minorities, there's a totally different set of standards. That's simply not true. Are there some extra consideration given to an athlete that is nationally ranked and excels in their skill? Sometimes yes. Just like there is some extra consideration given to the individual who's skill makes them nationally ranked in music. Or the individual who has lived all over the world and speaks multiple languages. Or the individual who grew up in foster homes, worked 2-3 jobs, and overcame adversities that didn't provide them the same opportunities that many others take for granted.

We are speaking of a very few individuals who's athletic skills and achievements got them into the academy. But even they had to meet the standards. I've seen first hand quite a few individuals who were some of the best athletes in the country, recruited by many top schools, who were rejected by the academy because they didn't meet the standards. They weren't even offered a prep school slot.
 
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