Why has my application not yet been reviewed by the board?

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  1. K_Delrosario

    K_Delrosario Prospective

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    Hello all,

    I had completed my entire application back in mid June. I am medically qualified, and have applied for noms.

    I keep asking my BGO if my application was reviewed since I finished it really early, and it seems for the past two weeks, the board has somehow not gotten to my application.

    Does anyone know why this is the case?
     
  2. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    LOTS of folks had their applications in early. The board can only do so many at a time. When they review your record, they may say you are qualified, not qualified, or defer. You may not get immediate notification and neither may your BGO. If you're deferred, neither you nor your BGO may hear anything until they make a definitive decision, which could be well into 2010.

    I've not heard about some students until I see they get an appointment; the notification system (for BGOs at least) is not perfect by any means. So, don't nag your BGO. Also, your BGO has less than zero ability to speed up review of your application -- it's 100% in the hands of USNA.

    Finally, if you're a college student (post h.s.), USNA will not review your record until first semester grades are in. That means January at the earliest.
     
  3. ENSmom

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    I read somewhere that they are about 500 applications ahead of where they were last year at his time, and that they have received over 13,000 completed applications.

    I would not expect that the applications have all been reviewed by this time; the Board meets only once per week starting in September. That leaves only 2 formal meetings to date (not counting today).

    I suggest great patience as you might not hear much until April or May or even June. You will waste your entire senior year waiting for the mailman. Concentrate now on getting your nomination, and keeping your grades up.
    Best of luck
     
  4. WBK

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    ENSMom...I think you're referring to 13000 complete Preliminary Applications. Considering that only 13000 applicants (or so) opened Preliminary Apps all of last year, I have a hard time believing that in mid-September 13000 applicants are already 100% complete and ready to see the board. Just IMHO.
     
  5. Pima

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    I agree with WBK, you are confusing opening a file and completing a file. Plus, your file is not 100% complete until you have a nom. No nom, no appt. If you are correct that 13000 have been submitted, then it is going to finish with much higher numbers, since you can still open a file. You would be looking at a very high rejection rate, probably close to 90% from start to finish. Of course for many the road will end sooner if they do not get a nom.
     
  6. WBK

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    Pima...I'm pretty sure that for the purposes of going before the board, for USNA at least, a nom is not considered part of the "100%". Your file will still go before the board, they will just be considering you for an LOA, or scholastic qualification, or rejection. Could be wrong though. Either way, there's no point in the author of this post worrying about it. If he's sure his file is complete, then he's done all he can and should just sit back and wait. While keeping up with grades and extracurriculars, of course. And he also should not forget to apply to at least a couple of civilian schools, just in case.
     
  7. marciemi

    marciemi USMA Alumnus

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    I'm thinking that's true for USAFA as well since once my son had everything in (except for a nom of course), his online application changed from "candidate" to "complete". I'm sure the OP means his application is complete in as much as he can do to get it before a board and possibly get an LOA.

    Also to the OP, my son's BGO also told him that there wouldn't be notification that his file went before the board unless he got an LOA. So from what I understand, they won't say "we decided not to give you an LOA". They won't say anything at all. So I guess I don't know how you would even know for sure if/when it does go before the board otherwise (nor would your BGO).
     
  8. WBK

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    I have heard before that BGOs are able to find out when a candidate is slated to go before the board. I've never asked mine for confirmation on that, I'd rather not know anyway.
     
  9. marciemi

    marciemi USMA Alumnus

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    Interesting. My son's ALO told him the same thing, so I was thinking he wouldn't know either way. Maybe some BGO's have more connections, or are more assertive in following up or finding out these things, or maybe some intentionally don't tell the candidates (it would be kind of depressing to be told you had gone before the board if you didn't get an LOA).
     
  10. kay

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    Has anyone here ever had an Officer visit their home from the Academy? Not a Blue Gold Officer, but an enlisted Officer from the Academy?
     
  11. Pima

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    Clarification...Enlisted or Officer or do you mean NCO?
     
  12. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Just to set the record straight, USNA typically wants 100% of your packet completed other than medical before the Admissions Board reviews it -- that does NOT include medical and they may be OK w/o your CFA. The nom process is completely separate from USNA's Admissions Board review. In some cases they may review w/less than 100% but don't count on it being you.

    USNA indicated last WE that they are 3,000 applications ahead of where they were at this time last year. No idea how many are completed. But it's a LOT to get through and candidates should expect things to take longer this year, even if all of your stuff is in.

    The ONLY thing the Admissions Board will do is tell you if you are academically qualified. Or not. That does NOT mean you have an appointment. Being academically qualified is one part of being "triple Q'ed." That in turn means you are academically qualified, physically qualified, and medically qualified. Being 3 Q'ed AND getting a nomination means you are eligible to COMPETE for an appointment.

    Every year there are 3 Q'ed folks with noms who still don't get appointments -- a numbers game.

    I realize it's a long process. Be patient.
     
  13. Luigi59

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    Are they now calling it "academically qualified" instead of "scholastically qualified"?
     
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    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    ^^^^

    In the end, it's the same thing. You get a "qual" or "not qual" from the Admissions Board.
     
  15. Memphis9489

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    I would like to interject a sidenote or observation I have made over the past few years. It's not a criticism - just an observation.

    Blue & Gold Officers have been around forever, it seems.

    Back when I was applying for the Naval Academy in 1975 - I don't recall corresponding with any Blue & Gold Officer. There was no interview requirement with a Blue & Gold Officer in those days. If I had a Blue & Gold Officer, I had no idea who he was. Nor was I, at every turn, instructed to "ask your Blue & Gold Officer."

    Also, back then, Blue & Gold Officers were mostly (if not all) academy graduates. Nowadays, some are mothers who never even served in the military. I'm sure they've had the requisite training - and that's great. But it's a big difference I've noticed.

    I did not get the impression that the Blue & Gold Officer for my sons knew any more about the admissions process, or life at the academy, than I did.

    It just seems that not all Blue & Gold Officers are equal. Some seem to be much more "in the loop" and knowledgeable than others.

    But then again - we had an attrition rate that came very close to 30% in those days. So, perhaps today's system is better.

    Again - just an observation.
     
  16. Memphis9489

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    Then who are these people who have posted in this forum, "My son got his LOA in July!" ... or August? I've heard of summer LOAs many times. (in this forum, not in reality)

    In the academy's catalog they advertise exactly as you are describing it. They do not even begin the process until September. Then the catalog goes on to say that some LOAs will be issued after that time.

    What's the deal with that?
     
  17. marciemi

    marciemi USMA Alumnus

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    Okay, first of all, I'm just a mom and definitely not an expert, and this is probably going to be long. But I think that what you are saying is true, but also that those people reporting LOA's over the summer are telling the truth as well (since my son got one in July, I tend to believe him :wink: ).

    I think the difference is that as ENSmom says, the board starts meeting in September. This is probably true. However, individual files evidently can be pulled as soon as they are complete and taken to the Dean to request an LOA. And actually, every other parent I've talked to or candidate my son has talked to (of people he honestly knows from NASS) who has gotten an early LOA - that has been the case.

    In my son's case, his principal was having trouble getting an online form to go through (mid July). My son contacted his regional director and asked if he could fax it instead. He did and the RD called my son and they spent a good hour discussing his file, NASS, and his goals (I think the fact that his B&G had noted he wanted AFA first also played into it). When the file was complete a couple hours later, the RD called him to tell him he had taken his file to the Dean, who had approved the LOA (July 21). At that point, it was just verbal (although he was informed in email that his status was "changed"). His B&G officer and Congressman's office both received notification of the LOA, but he didn't actual get the physical letter until last week (Sept).

    He knows other kids who had similar situations - in one case it was a coach who brought the file in and asked for the LOA (I'm not sure if he took it to the dean or the RD, but know it didn't go before a board). So I guess my thought is, it is true that there are no actual "boards" before September, but there really are LOA's being guaranteed, if not mailed yet, at that point.

    I do honestly believe though that had the principal not had that trouble, had my son not had to fax all his academic info over, had the RD not had it brought to his attention that way, and had he not been motivated to try to grab a good candidate (from AF?), that without a doubt, my son's file would also still be sitting there waiting for these first boards coming up right now.
     
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  18. marciemi

    marciemi USMA Alumnus

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    Okay, here I can't say as much about B&G because I didn't apply to Navy, but in 1983 when I started applying to both AF and WP, I had very frequent contact with my Liaison Officers (as we then called them). Actually both of mine were WP grads, but one had commissioned into the AF. As much as he tried to convince me I wanted to go to the AFA, he had to agree with me that I wasn't making a bad decision by attending WP instead. :wink:

    And, just as an interesting side note, 26 years later, I STILL keep in touch with my WP Liaison Officer. When I wrote him last Christmas, I mentioned my son wanted to go to either Navy or AF. He wrote back saying that if my husband and I (both WP grads) couldn't even convince our own son of what was truly the best academy :biggrin: , then there was really no hope for the future of West Point. In some ways he was obviously joking, but I think he was a bit disappointed in us (and my son!).

    We met with my son's B&G officer back in July and were there talking with him for over 3 hours! I think he was very knowledgeable and helpful, and had two kids who had graduated from the academy (or will soon) and has been able to answer any of my son's questions. However, as I posted earlier, I definitely got the impression from him that there were things he was not informed of (if my son's file had actually gone before a board) or that he wasn't allowed to share (LOA) until my son was told officially.

    Isn't this true in every situation/job in life? :wink:
     
  19. jennyp

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    Early LOA's, like before the Admissions Board meets for the first time: It seems obvious to me that if a really outstanding package hits the Admissions Office prior to the first meeting with the Admissions Board in Sept, the Admissions Office has some lee-way to offer an LOA. Supposedly, less than 200 LOA's were offered last year. I have heard 150 or so. So, we will never know all the ins and outs of the workings of the Admissions Board. And that is ok. They are governed by various laws and are charged with putting together the best class possible that meets the needs of the Navy.

    Do not obsess over the whole LOA thing. So, they issue a few early, early in the process, even before Admissions Board meets. Those with LOA's still must round up a nomination, pass DoDMERB, etc.

    Start getting excited when the first APPOINTMENTS start arriving in the mail!

    I cannot speak to the history of the BGO. I know two of them. One, a USNA alum and career military man. Great guy. Overloaded in our area. He was son's BGO. He is over 500 miles from us. Very unresponsive. Second one I know is a (gasp!) Mom of a mid who just graduated and another current mid. She is very helpful, very responsive, etc. Although she lacks military and academy experience herself, she is very helpful to candidates and I am sure possesses the judgement necessary to sort out which candidates are most likely to succeed at the Academy.

    BGO's are a very valuable link in the Admissions process. Can't imagine the Admissions Office dealing with that many applicants every time they have a question!
     
  20. marciemi

    marciemi USMA Alumnus

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    Yeah, I caught that mom comment too. :rolleyes: My son's B&G officer I referred to above sounds similar - he's had two mids, but no one questions whether he's qualified or not just because he himself didn't attend the academy.

    On a separate note, my husband and I have decided that if my son does get an appointment to an academy, that we'd like to try to become team MALO's (WP equivalent of the B&G). We're thinking it would be a great experience to work with truly motivated kids like these, and there are literally none in our area for USMA - my son was told his interview at SLS would have to count as his MALO interview (he has since decided against applying to WP). But hopefully since we are grads, we'd at least have a little bit of credibility even if I am a mom! :wink:
     

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