Will I scholastically qualify?

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  1. Davy Read

    Davy Read Member

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    I have looked into this a decent bit and I feel I am very strong here because it includes academics, athletics, and leadership. I do have one weak link though and I was wondering if anyone hear could tell me if I would be disqualified scholastically.

    I have a 34 math and a 26 english (thats my weak link). I also have a 4.77 Weighted GPA. I have seven Varsity Letters, Volunteer Work, Student Body all years of high school, Boys State, Varsity Captain 2x.

    I have other stuff, but I feel I should give the core of my efforts.

    My question is: Will my english disqualify me scholastically?
     
  2. frenzymando

    frenzymando Banned

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    A 26 ACT English converts to a 590 SAT CR which was the bottom of the middle 50% for the class of 2018. That means 25% of the class of 2018 scored 590 or lower on the CR of the SAT.
     
  3. NavyHoops

    NavyHoops Moderator

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    None of us can give you a exact answer to this as only admissions knows the metrics they use. Based on averages for previous classes, it appears you could be, but could, might, maybe doesn't mean squat from any of us. Are you retaking it? Try the SAT? USNA super scores so it would be worth it.
     
  4. catlover2

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    You have impressive stats. I would retake it if you can, but let's be honest, you aren't just disqualified because of something minor like that. It's a whole person score and everything is evaluated. Just work on it but realize that the ACT isnt the only thing your judged on. You are at least above the their minimums with that score. Try taking it until you get the score you want but specifically focus on English next time, you have until January I believe.
     
  5. JTGib13

    JTGib13 DS-USMA & USNA Appointee Class of 2020

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    Sorry I can't answer your question because as many have said...no one really knows how someone is selected. The reason I am writing is to encourage you to do something very difficult and challenging which is to try not to worry about this throughout your senior year. There is absolutely NOTHING you can do about the numbers, etc.....other than keep taking various tests over again until you're satisfied. But I want to share some genuine heart-felt advice from experience. A year ago right now, my DS, like many others, were in your same position. Your stats are quite similar to my son's although your weighted GPA is a bit higher but he had more varsity letters, 4 captaincies and his English ACT score was higher. He also had a nomination in place. Are your SAT scores good? Anyway, he waited and panicked, and waited and panicked ALL YEAR and received the TWE in late April. It was heart-wrenching and honestly, with his records and accomplishments, we were all STUNNED. But what he didn't do...was plan well enough for plan B, C, and D so he's at prep school and "trying again". He got into some great top-notch colleges but he said his heart wasn't ready to go anywhere else but Navy and if they rejected him a second time, he would be determined to move forward positively. So this time around he visited many, many more colleges and other military academies. He just received an LOA from West Point and also found out he received a 4-year N-ROTC scholarship so his back up plans are so much better this time around because he planned better for the "what if". What we learned was, almost every single person who applies to Navy, are kids just like you...very competitive with ultra impressive accomplishment both academically and athletically. I am truly not trying to be a Debbie Downer, my genuine reason for my response is I just don't want ANYONE to feel that pain in April or May and then be unable to feel like you would LOVE to go somewhere else. Even with the LOA in hand from West Point, my son aches to hear from Navy, BUT this time he has said that he is genuinely is in love with all 8 of his back-up plans this time! :) He just returned from an overnight visit to one of his civilian school choices where he could use the 4-year N-ROTC scholarship and he said he had a great time! Next, he will be going to West Point this Monday and Tuesday for an overnight visit and he is also incredibly excited about that as well. It makes me so happy how excited he has been about schools other than Navy because if that TWE shows up again, I believe my DS will be able to react much differently and he should be proud that he tried again. I am also proud that he tried again after such a tough rejection, but I am more proud that he has SEVERAL GREAT BACK UP PLANS IN PLACE. Good luck to you...I plan on following your story so please let us know when you find out. Also, please enjoy your senior year, and if you don't have great back ups in place yet, please work on that now and get yourself in a position where if you got into both Navy and your favorite back up, you would actually be torn between where to go! :) In other words have at least 4 # 1 choices! :)))) GOOD LUCK! :)
     
  6. Coach62

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    I'm sure you know there are books and prep classes for these tests. Try the SAT also and keep taking them. Good luck.
     
  7. NavyHoops

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    Jtgib is spot on! Good luck to your DS, I will be pulling for him.
     
  8. time2

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    Your scholastic Q includes more then just test scores and since none of us know the exact formula used, we have no way to know.
     
  9. cb7893

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    Both my sons smoked the Math SAT, but had problems with Verbal. We used a private tutor for each, spending about $30-40/hour for 6-8 hours (This was overkill.) We didn't pay the tutor to watch them take the tests. He taught them the techniques which they employed while taking the practice tests at home. He then analyzed the results with them looking for consistent weaknesses, most of which were correctable.

    In both sons' cases, it was intimidation by and dislike of the Verbal section feeding off of each other. Once they learned the "tricks", it became more of a game. There are general strategies for test taking, but also tactics for standardized tests. The SAT and ACT even have their own individual peculiarities. There is a specific way to read each question. For instance, one can eliminate answers almost without reading the question, thereby giving more time to go back and check one's work before the buzzer sounds. The tactics are few and they are simple. Learn the skills and then employ them with practice tests. After doing that, you will walk into the test looser and with greater confidence.

    Whatever you do, don't simply grind through endless practice tests. You'll only frustrate yourself. I'm sure you've heard of "practice with a purpose." The best athletes arrive at the game with a few butterflies, but also with confidence based on an attention to detail and technique during practices which he/she made meaningful. Make sure you walk in with that same mindset.

    Best of luck!
     
  10. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    Actually, the scholastic qualification is dependent upon the Admissions Board vote. The whole person multiple is ONLY an entering argument. Put it this way, Candidate A could have a higher multiple than Candidate B, but Candidate B is found scholastically qualified and candidate A isn't. At that point, Candidate A is out of the running for an appointment (that year). Bottom line. as time2 said, no one on here knows who will or won't be qualified with even 90% accuracy. We cannot read the Admission Board's mind.
     
  11. Pima

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    I agree with the above posters responses. I will add one thing from your original post.
    No offense, but one of my irks is when candidates/posters post their weighted gpa and very little else academically, especially not what it is out of for weighted grading. There are over 2K HS in the nation and the weight system varies a lot. Is it out of 5.0 or 6.0?
    ~ I am not sure when it comes to USNA, but I am almost 100% positive for USAFA your wcgpa would be changed (lowered) for their records because they use a 4.5 scale. Thus, if they use a max 4.5, than you will drop no matter what. more so if it is 6.0
    ~ This will also be part of the equation for your academic record from a different aspect. Does your school use a 7 pt scale or 10 pt for uwcgpa? I believe they use a 10 point, not a 7 pt. IOWS, if an 84 is a C at your school, but at another school it is a solid B, than the uwcgpa can change.

    PAR portion of the WCS is just not your SAT/ACT scores. Your transcript will include a ton of things, such as rigor and rank. % of students that take APs. % that go Ivy, 4 yr private, 4 yr public, 2 yr and work force. Plus, the afore mentioned...scale and weight for your wcgpa/cgpa.

    Finally Davy, do you have a nomination in hand? Do your MoCs interview? If they do interview and you are given the opportunity to interview, what will you say when they ask why such a large discrepancy between the M and E on your ACT to overcome any qualms?
    ~ Hard to say test anxiety if you got a 34 on M.

    Remember in the end you still need that nomination to get an appointment. Yes, you can take the exam again, but if you don't get a nom., because the MoC submitted their slate 11/1 than it is moot.
    ~ If you are a junior, than take it again, and again every time offered throughout the spring.

    I too, am not trying to be Debbie Downer, just trying to let you know that from what you posted regarding your wgpa, it might be changed by USNA to their algorithm and 4.77 might not be it.

    I hope you also applied for NROTC scholarship as plan B.
     
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  12. ThePatternisFull

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    No one knows!!! It all depends on where you live and what the competition is in your state and district. Just put together the best package you can and let the chips fall where they will.
     

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