Will the government shutdown affect nominations?

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  1. lillian

    lillian Candidate

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    This may be a stupid question...but. idk..
     
  2. scoutpilot

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    No, it will only affect millions of families across the country. Your envelope is safe.
     
  3. MedB

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    Hi Lillian,

    It's not a stupid question.

    And to spite what some people would have you believe, the standard reaction to change in the early stages is "what does this mean to me".

    Anyone who's studied or led Change Management initiatives would tell you the same.
     
  4. lillian

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    Thank you.

    Actually, my first reaction was, what does this mean for the nation, the government, the military, the individuals? This shutdown was expected. I have been discussing this issue and keeping up to date with what is going on over the last few days. I was up most of last night helping inform and calm a lot of people who didn't understand what was going on. My last thought was about how it would affect me. Which is why I came here this morning, not a couple days ago, or last night.

    I hope to one day be an officer in the United States Air Force. To me, that means that I should first be a responsible citizen and be aware of current events and ALL of the possible consequences.
     
  5. lillian

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    You have a terrible attitude.
     
  6. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    My reaction eventually was "wonder what the Metro ride into DC will look like..."

    I think I'll get a better idea tomorrow. Today my train was behind a broken training and a train with a sick passenger. Not sure if we took on their passengers or not.

    Honestly, if you didn't see this coming, if this is a surprise, you're head has been in the sand.


    Sequestration still in effect. The government shut down. And very soon the full faith of the U.S.'s ability to play its bills will come into question. Approaching $18,000,000,000,000 in debt.

    Forget about the "threat" of Syria, or th ambitions of Iran, North Korea, China or Russia (ok, don't totally forget about them), I'm worried about the path we're headed down...that we've been headed down. At the end at that path... that's when it gets very scary, so all of us.
     
  7. mom3boys

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    Lillian,
    If you are new to the forums, you might want to figure out who the regulars are and perhaps refrain from insulting them.

    Mom:rolleyes:
     
  8. lillian

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    I'm not really new. I don't care who's a regular. Makes no difference to me. I come here to get questions answered, not concern myself with how someone might react if I call them out on being rude. I didn't insult anybody anyway. Thanks for the advice though. :)
     
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  9. DevilDog

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    I agree with Lillian, there was no reason to get snarky with her. She is worried about her future just like most HS Seniors are.
     
  10. Maplerock

    Maplerock Proud to be an American

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    Another siding with Lillian...

    Scout was a little harsh... and momof3, although you may feel safe and your kids are on course, surely you remember the anticipation and anxiety during the application process? You scolded Lillian.

    Lillian, good luck and ask any questions you want. I like a young person willing to speak up when they think they are right. (except my sons when they're arguing with me!") :biggrin:
     
  11. Packer

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    Lillian wasn't the one out of line.
     
  12. MemberLG

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    As long as we don't violate any existing forum rules, we can get "snarky."

    I don't think SAs are for most HS seniors.
     
  13. scoutpilot

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    Watch the secretary cry on her way out the door because she's worried about her family's security. Sometimes it speaks well of someone who says he/she seeks a career of service to not worry about #1 first and foremost.
     
  14. Jcleppe

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    Has there been any talk as to whether this shut down will follow suit with the last Gov. shut down. Gov. employees were paid retroactively for the days they were off work. It's the ripple effect that flows down to the non Gov. employees that will have the largest impact on the short term economy if this thing drags on for long.
     
  15. JMS

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    The singular opinion I have read said this shut down seems not to be like the last one(s) and specifically the writer felt retro pay was in play, that is, not an automatic. I do not recall the source...sorry. I agree there will be a ripple /trickle down impact if it lasts more than a day or two.

    To answer the OP's original question, congress seems to have the where-with-all (and brass) to operate normally, and so I assume the noms process/staff are busily processing paperwork.
     
  16. kinnem

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    I would submit that the lunch counter places are already impacted, although the impact so far, perhaps, is tolerable.
     
  17. goflya

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    I think the answer to lillian's perfectly reasonable question is it depends on how long the shut down lasts. Based on the following from AFA Public Affairs I would expect that a significant number of admissions staff are furloughed.

    "More than 1,000 civilians are furloughed. Obviously this will be tremendously disruptive to our mission here at the Air Force's Academy. Nearly 450 employees are excepted, meaning they will continue to work in order to continue services impacting safety and security.

    According to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, furlough decisions are dictated solely by the law, which only permit commands to direct civilians to work if they are required to continue supporting military operations or if they are required to protect DOD personnel and property."
     
  18. kinnem

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    Sorry, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What you say about the impact to the admissions staff is true enough, but that has nothing to do with nominations made by members of Congress. That was what Lillian asked. Nominations will continue, although the process may be a little bit slower. Deadlines will remain the same I am sure.
     
  19. FalconAF

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    My ALO called and said our interview was delayed until the shutdown ended.. he also said our nomination interviews might be messed up
     
  20. GoSox

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    @Lillian, a few thoughts. Telling someone "you have a terrible attitude" is, in fact, generally regarded as insulting (if on the low end of the insult spectrum). Scoutpliot, a combat vet who has done multiple tours, talks like a combat vet -- he doesn't sugarcoat things. That's standard for the military. I don't think you're a heartless or selfish person, but when you ask about how the shutdown affects your application, that's an inference some will make. And when you qualify any question in a military setting with "this may be a stupid question" I can guarantee you that someone will suggest, none too gently, that you are correct in that assessment.

    It's the internet -- so you can "call out" whomever you please -- but you could also take a deep breath and think about why someone might have reacted negatively to your question, and maybe make your explanatory post about your good motives, etc., without lashing out. Not because you don't have the right to do it, but because if you are serious about a career in the military you will need to swallow a lot of criticism, not all of it accurate or fair.

    Good luck to you in your efforts to attend USAFA.
     

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