Withdrawing application

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  1. That Guy

    That Guy New Member

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    Hello, Im considering talking to my ALO about a possiblity of withdrawing my application( if its possible). The reason why...I messed up. On the drug and alochol statement I lied that I never used marijuana. I know this was a big mistake however I was too ashamed to admit my wrong doing. (Its funny how an action that happened 2 years ago came and hit you like eh?)

    And I dont want to be part of anything to which I lied to get in.:frown:

    Now the question is should I tell my ALO about me lieing?
     
  2. bsa07eagle

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    Well, I know how tough it must have been to turn around and tell the truth and that is amazing. Now you need to take responsibility for your actions. I would talk to your ALO before anything else. It will be very hard, but you need to do it. Your ALO was the first person during the application process that you lied to and therefore need to make that up quickly. Depending on how your ALO reacts will determine your action. Your ALO may even call admissions, I really don't know. You have taken a brave first step of confessing, just own up to what you have done and see what people do. I really have no experience with something like this, maybe other people will be able to lend some wise advice.

    Good Luck,

    Brian
     
  3. Downfall75

    Downfall75 USAFA Cadet

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    On I-Day, they give you one more chance to fill out the drug and alcohol form. Just answer it honestly and everything should be fine.
     
  4. That Guy

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    DownFall, Did they not pull potential cadets who had inconsisant data on that part?
     
  5. buffalo

    buffalo USAFA 2013

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    No. They want honesty, and having tried weed once will not get you kicked out. That said, don't do it!
     
  6. Christcorp

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    Actually; if I'm not mistaken (But it's been a few years); if you receive an appointment, you still have paperwork to fill out when accepting the appointment. Part of which is a security background. I believe that the question is readdressed there also. I'd mention the issue to your ALO; but I wouldn't withdraw my application. You might think it's the "Honorable" thing to do. But I will disagree with you.
     
  7. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    I would concur.

    Tell your ALO...show him how this is impacting you...he should be understanding. And when you get the rest of the paperwork, BE HONEST and that should be it. You might get a few questions when you arrive at USAFA but...that should be all.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  8. pinkharley99

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    D sat in front of her application for 2 hours before checking the "YES" block. She did receive a call from the Academy and was grilled about her answers for 30 minutes. After the call, the tears and the thought that she would most certainly be denied, the Academy called 4 weeks later to tell her she received an appointment. She was also told that of the thousands of applications they received she was only one of a handful of prospects to admit to using drugs or alcohol.

    Remember, Integrity First! As stated in other posts, you will have a chance to redeem yourself on I-Day should you receive an appointment.

    Good Luck...:smile:
     
  9. That Guy

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    My ALO is going to call me within the week, Im going to tell him about this. Im not going to lie, im scared out of my mind on how im going to break it to him.
     
  10. fencersmother

    fencersmother Founding Member

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    Guy, just tell the truth. It is a good lesson for life. Truth, even painful truths, are always best.

    Please let us know how it goes with your ALO.


    BE STRONG!
     
  11. tallbutshort

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    What exactly do they ask about drugs and alcohol? It'd be a lie if I said I've never had any alcohol, but I've never been drunk or even remotely close to it. I've only ever had alcohol on vacation in Mexico with my parents around...where the drinking age is like 12 :shake:
     
  12. nbbgolfcmdr

    nbbgolfcmdr USAFA Cadet

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    My parents' friend opened a vineyard, for which I did hard labor during the sommer (12 hours picking tansporting grapes, painting, preparing for tasting parties, etc).

    When his first products came out, I had a small glass with him, his wife, and my parents around. No disrepect to him, I got sick and was in the restroom for the remainder of the time spent at the residence.

    From that point on, I've been the one making sure alcohol isn't brought to parties (because we thought you'd tell on us, Andrew!). Hey, if it saves my friends' lives, I don't care.

    But that's besides the point. It's my understanding USAFA's asking for any excessive use or abuse. I said that I had never abused drugs or alcohol. Am I correct on this?
     
  13. Christcorp

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    Lets clarify something here. When the air force asks you if you used drugs or alcohol, they are SPECIFICALLY asking about "ILLEGAL USE OF DRUGS OR ALCOHOL". It is NOT ILLEGAL for you to drink alcohol in mexico if you are 16 or 17 years old. Therefor, you did NOT do anything wrong. Also; in most state; it is totally legal for you to have alcohol in your home, if your parents are being responsible for you and condoning it. Obviously, they can be held accountable and even charged with negligence if they allow you to get plastered. I grew up in an Italian family. Drinking wine with meals was a very common thing. For EVERYONE. Obviously not for breakfast on my way to school. And I ate lunch at school, so that wasn't an issue. But I drank wine with many dinner meals. Probably from about the time I was 10 years old. I won't quote the different state laws, but there is a misconception that even in your own home, with your parents providing it, that it's illegal. Most places it's not. Obviously having friends over and drinking isn't legal because they aren't in THEIR house with their parents. Anyway, that's splitting a fine line. Same thing with drugs. Obviously they mean illegal use of. We've all taken drugs for illnesses that have been prescribed. Therefor that isn't illegal or wrong. This is mostly in reference to alcohol. Drinking in mexico if it's legal, is legal in the eyes of the air force. Drinking wine or a beer in your own home on thanksgiving, or whatever "Your Family" deems as acceptable, is also fine. And for what it's worth, the 21 year old drinking age, is not a Federal Law. The federal government can't make such a law. It's a State law. And each state can be different. At one time, many states were 18 while others were 21. The ONLY reason it seems to be a federal law and every state does it, is because the federal government is guilty of a form of "extortion". Raise your drinking age to 21 years old, or we won't provide you with any highway funds. And I can't tell you how many young enlisted personnel 17-20 years old volunteer to get stationed overseas; partly because they are treated like adults. And yes, an 18 year old can drink at the club on base overseas. Unless of course the base commander sets policy. But it's been about 10 years since I was last stationed overseas. I don't know of any commander that forbid it overseas. Again, it's a state law.

    Anyway; there's a difference between illegal and legal use. The military is asking you if you've illegally used drugs and alcohol. Obviously, if a drug wasn't prescribed to you by a doctor, it's pretty much illegal. So definitely fess up to your ALO. As for alcohol, use common sense. Mexico? No, don't mention it. With family at home? (Same with the vineyard story); No, don't mention it. You and a bunch of friends got an older brother/friend/etc... to buy you beer/whiskey and you went out "Partying"? Yes, mention it to your ALO. I think you get the idea.
     

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