wyo uniforms classless?

MB 13 said:
One last post-Both Boise and Utah State certainly kicked our boy's butts up and down the field. I for one had no problem with those games from any perspective. IMHO- playing in patriotic themed jersey's and then playing like a punk didn't set well with me. There's a way to win with class and sportsmanship, and yes It's really, really hard to find. A great man once said "act like you've been there before"-I know, it's a totally foreign concept these day's.
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Players will play/act like their coaches...ie...Wyoming coach is a classless act...as proven last year...AF will move on a prepare for the next game and next year....:thumb:
 
+1 to falconfamily and LITS. I read a couple articles on the game and saw none of this mentioned, so I don't think the rest of the world thought this was a big deal. Nothing more than normal football.

I play golf (and gamble on it :eek:) with several retired military/civilian pilots. All went to SMCs. One of them was shot down during Viet Nam (but made it to the sea for pickup). Others had some harrowing experiences. None of these guys like to lose. They will do anything within the rules to win - including getting in your head by pointing out how that pond comes into play. :smile: But they never hold a grudge or even play the part of sore loser for a few minutes. They just come back the next day with a grin and the full expectation of getting their money back.

Get it back on the field next year. :thumb:
 
Ok. My $0.02039495.

I live in Wyoming. I've watched Air Force and Wyoming play, probably 20+ times. Just to clarify a few things.

1. For many years, Wyoming has had the words on the back of their jersey. When we play in Wyoming, it's usually during "Military Appreciation Day". At the academy; we try to schedule during POW/MIA weekend. As a state and University, Wyoming is probably one of the most PRO-Air force/Military states in the country. There was no "INTENTIONAL" disrespect given. I was at the game. I noticed the band playing at the end. Yes, quite a few upset falcon fans. INCLUDING MRS. CHRISTCORP. But again, I "KNOW" it was not intentional.

2. Having said that: The UW Coach and Athletic director; Could of and Should of informed the band to hold off playing until our 3rd verse was done. While teams like Boise, TCU, BYU, and even new comer Utah State came and stood with us for the 3rd verse, that isn't mandatory or even expected. No problem with that. But the coach Could and Should have mentioned it to the band. Colleges get new students every year. There's a big turnover. Not like the military fans who have been involved in the traditional for MANY YEARS. In other words: I'm not blaming the UW Band, Players, or Student body. But the COACH and Athletic director should be aware. This NEVER happened under UW Coach Joe Glenn or the other coaches before him. ONLY during Christianson's reighn at UW.

3. In all fairness to UW. Prior to this win, they've only won against air force 3 times in the last 10 YEARS. And last year's loss was only by 1 point. Let alone the Christiansen temper tantrum. So it would be quite understandable that the team, coaches, fans, band, etc... were MORE than excited. Lets be honest. In the last 30 years, air force has a 26-5 Season Winning Record. In other words, we are AT LEAST 6-6 OR BETTER and basically bowl eligible for 26 of the last 31 years. One of the best season records in the country. Wyoming can't come anywhere close to that. Besides our rivalry which goes back to when Air Force FIRST PLAYED FOOTBALL!!!; Wyoming beating Air Force in modern times, is like Utah Beating BYU, Army beating Navy, and some of the other great rivalries in the country.

Bottom line: Was it disrespectful for the wyoming band to play over air force doing the 3rd verse? Yes. Was it intentional by the band, student body, and team? NO!!! Was it something the UW coach, staff and AD shouldn't have told their student's ahead of time? Yes, Is UW Coach Christiansen a ******? Definitely. But don't be upset. it's just a game. But MORE IMPORTANTLY..... Wyoming DOES RESPECT the Air Force and our armed forces. You would be hard pressed to find a more conservative and more PRO-military than Wyoming. This is football. It's the same when we play Navy and Army. On the FOOTBALL FIELD..... They are my mortal enemy. I will talk all the smack in the world. And I hope they get pounded in the ground and hurt so much the next day, that their GRAND CHILDREN FEEL IT...... But on the "BATTLE FIELD", they are my brothers, and I was willing to die for them and along side of them. There was not intentional disrespect by the Wyoming band, players, or fans. Just stupidity on their coach's and AD's part for not preparing their students/fans/players/and band.
 
Thanks Christcorp for the even handed commentary.

One point, add the UW Band Director/ staff to those who should have advised the band to hold off. No excuse there.
 
Texasrocks said:
Was it just me or did the Wyoming uniforms mock USAFA with the honor loyalty integrity service names on the back. I thought it was a classless punk act by the commie Christiansen. There is nothing about service or loyalty with Wyoming. I will not go into the academics or partying there. Anyone else offended by the names on the backs?
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My dad graduated from Wyoming and has had a very successful 6 figure + career with a particular distinguished program at the school. So I am just going to ignore that little quip. Partying? God forbid somebody parties before the next 50 years of their life is spent working non-stop....

You care wayyyyy to much over this issue and seem to be looking for a reason to get mad at Wyo. The conference itself is mediocre at best and I hardly think a little celebration and misplaced band playing is anything to get upset about. A bit of rivalry here and there spices things up especially in a conference like this...

Also I guess the ROTC programs at Wyo don't practice service or loyalty?
 
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Aglahad said:
My dad graduated from Wyoming and has had a very successful 6 figure + career with a particular distinguished program at the school. So I am just going to ignore that little quip. Partying? God forbid somebody parties before the next 50 years of their life is spent working non-stop....

You care wayyyyy to much over this issue and seem to be looking for a reason to get mad at Wyo. The conference itself is mediocre at best and I hardly think a little celebration and misplaced band playing is anything to get upset about. A bit of rivalry here and there spices things up especially in a conference like this...

Also I guess the ROTC programs at Wyo don't practice service or loyalty?
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Good for your dad - don't think adds a thing to the conversation, every place has successes and failures. Point was if you want to honor services by wearing a military uniform then do it, but don't use the names IMHOP. My point was brought out later in the game and after: when you represent the University of Wyoming (and the state as some claim) don't act like idiots and disregard what is written on your back. Rivalry is fine play hard nose football but leave the antics at home.

I really don't care whether it was Wyoming or Cal, I do stand up for issues which mock our Military.

Finally ask the ROTC folks at Wyo how they felt about the issue.
 
Texasrocks said:
Good for your dad - don't think adds a thing to the conversation, every place has successes and failures. Point was if you want to honor services by wearing a military uniform then do it, but don't use the names IMHOP. My point was brought out later in the game and after: when you represent the University of Wyoming (and the state as some claim) don't act like idiots and disregard what is written on your back. Rivalry is fine play hard nose football but leave the antics at home.

I really don't care whether it was Wyoming or Cal, I do stand up for issues which mock our Military.

Finally ask the ROTC folks at Wyo how they felt about the issue.
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I think you might find less unity between academies and ROTC programs than you might expect.
 
Ask ROTC about the playing over the school song and representation. But you may be correct @line
 
LineInTheSand said:
I think you might find less unity between academies and ROTC programs than you might expect.
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I agree

IMO I think you would find the ROTC cadets align much more with Wyo than the AFA but that's just me. If my school played USMA have no doubt I would be yelling and cheering against the Pointers the entire time ;)
 
"Mock our military"
"Classless"
"Commie Christiansen"

Blah. Blah. Blah.

It's football. It's D1 football. You're not special. You're not the all-singing , all-dancing light of the world. You're a rival.

Wyoming owes you nothing but showing up for the game. It's a shame that they did and your team didn't. And don't be so convinced of Calhoun's sainthood.

Seriously...grow up. The sense of entitlement is sad.
 
Bob Sternberg, President of the University of Wyoming has written a letter to a parent who was concerned about the excesssive celebration, the injury to the AFA player and the issue of the Wyoming band playing over the AFA band. The letter is on Facebook so I will assume it is permitted to post here:

Dear Ms. ********,

I now have been able to do some investigation.

The University of Wyoming deeply regrets any offense taken by members of the Air Force Academy and its supporters during and after Saturday night’s football game. After speaking with Athletics Director Tom Burman and hearing from the UW band director, I can assure you there was no intent to show any disrespect. Please allow me to explain....

With regard to our band’s conduct after the game, our band director tells me that the group did not knowingly start playing the UW fight song over the cadets’ singing and the Air Force band’s playing of the Air Force Song. Our band began playing when it believed the Air Force Song was finished. Our band director feels badly that this happened and assures me there was no intent to be disrespectful.

With regard to the excessive celebration penalty against members of our team following a big hit in the first half of the game: It’s clear that some players went overboard in celebrating a big play. They were penalized, and I expect our coaches will make sure they’ve learned from the experience. However, it’s also clear that the players were celebrating the big play by their teammate, not the unfortunate injury to the Air Force player. It’s difficult to conceive of any players who would celebrate such an injury to another player, be it an opponent or a teammate. We were glad to see the injured player was able to return to the game later.

Please be assured that the University of Wyoming has immense respect for the Air Force Academy and the vital role it plays in protecting our nation. We are honored that our football team is able to share the field every year with the cadets in the spirit of fair competition.,

Sincerely,

Bob Sternberg

Nicely done sir.
 
Sounds about right. Time to put the big-boy flight suits on and move on. There's no crying in baseball, and there should be very little crying in Air Force.
 
JMC0759 said:
Bob Sternberg, President of the University of Wyoming has written a letter to a parent who was concerned about the excesssive celebration, the injury to the AFA player and the issue of the Wyoming band playing over the AFA band. The letter is on Facebook so I will assume it is permitted to post here:

Dear Ms. ********,

I now have been able to do some investigation.

The University of Wyoming deeply regrets any offense taken by members of the Air Force Academy and its supporters during and after Saturday night’s football game. After speaking with Athletics Director Tom Burman and hearing from the UW band director, I can assure you there was no intent to show any disrespect. Please allow me to explain....

With regard to our band’s conduct after the game, our band director tells me that the group did not knowingly start playing the UW fight song over the cadets’ singing and the Air Force band’s playing of the Air Force Song. Our band began playing when it believed the Air Force Song was finished. Our band director feels badly that this happened and assures me there was no intent to be disrespectful.

With regard to the excessive celebration penalty against members of our team following a big hit in the first half of the game: It’s clear that some players went overboard in celebrating a big play. They were penalized, and I expect our coaches will make sure they’ve learned from the experience. However, it’s also clear that the players were celebrating the big play by their teammate, not the unfortunate injury to the Air Force player. It’s difficult to conceive of any players who would celebrate such an injury to another player, be it an opponent or a teammate. We were glad to see the injured player was able to return to the game later.

Please be assured that the University of Wyoming has immense respect for the Air Force Academy and the vital role it plays in protecting our nation. We are honored that our football team is able to share the field every year with the cadets in the spirit of fair competition.,

Sincerely,

Bob Sternberg

Nicely done sir.
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I have read that response from the President of University Wyoming. It seems to be quite a few angry AF fans on other sites.
 
I am a lurker to these forums (I have a daughter who swears she wants to attend the Academy, so this has been a great forum to answer her questions. As she is only in 6th grade though, I don't have much to say!) and we were at this game sitting in L24, which was on the edge of the Wyoming section and very close to their band.

I'm not sure why the Wyoming band started playing when they did, but I will say that we could barely hear the Air Force band from where we were sitting. It wouldn't surprise me if they thought the AF band was done.
 
scoutpilot said:
You would think. Entitlement runs deep.
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Agree with you 1000 percent on the sentiment about this feeling of "entitlement" and how wrong it is.

Also 1000% positive it is not an issue exclusive to the AF.
 
scoutpilot said:
:rolleyes:

Perhaps Air Force shouldn't play such powerhouses like Wyoming if they can't take the hits.

Welcome to football.
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Seriously? I have not weighed on this hand-wringing and silliness (as I see it) over the alleged disrespect shown.

But football at every level is taking the head injury thing pretty seriously... as they should. To effectively call a team "wimps" because an opposing player executed a hit that the governing body (nuetral party) said was out of line.... I don't get it.
 
scoutpilot said:
:rolleyes:

Perhaps Air Force shouldn't play such powerhouses like Wyoming if they can't take the hits. Or rather, the patents can't take the hits. Haven't seen much complaining out of the actual AF.

Welcome to football.
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Wow. So illegal and purposeful hits to the head are just to be dismissed because, you know, football. Guess rules are just for sissies.
 
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