ROTC MS Class Conflicts with Required Class for Major

[AROTC Parent]

To the Cadre and ROTC Staff on this Forum:

Any thoughts or suggestions as to what alternatives are available if classes required to graduate conflict with MS III Classes?

The MS class is available in one of two time slots-at different schools. One of the two science classes is only offered every other year. The other is a year long course and is a prerequisite for a class Sr year. Both classes are required for graduation. Both classes conflict with the two MS III classes available.

Cadre has been consulted by cadet but alternatives that will allow graduation on time and completion of ROTC requirements have not been identified.

It's becoming clear why so many ROTC students don't continue in physical sciences and engineering as a major.

Again, any thoughts or suggestions as to what alternatives are available? Online courses, independent study, ??????

Thanks

[Jcleppe]

Originally Posted by AROTC Parent

To the Cadre and ROTC Staff on this Forum:

Any thoughts or suggestions as to what alternatives are available if classes required to graduate conflict with MS III Classes?

The MS class is available in one of two time slots-at different schools. One of the two science classes is only offered every other year. The other is a year long course and is a prerequisite for a class Sr year. Both classes are required for graduation. Both classes conflict with the two MS III classes available.

Cadre has been consulted by cadet but alternatives that will allow graduation on time and completion of ROTC requirements have not been identified.

It's becoming clear why so many ROTC students don't continue in physical sciences and engineering as a major.

Again, any thoughts or suggestions as to what alternatives are available? Online courses, independent study, ??????

Thanks

My son had the same issue when registering for this Fall's classes. Foriegn Language is required for my son's major, he is now a sophomore, the only class offered was at the same time as the MS Lab. To keep on schedule he decided to take the Independent Study Class online. Once he completes that class he will be able to sign up for the class next semester as long as it does not conflict. The one downside was that he had to pay for the Independent Study Class on his own, he is checking to see if the Army will pay for it due to the schedule conflict, not holding our breath.

I would continue to have your son talk with the cadre to see if there is a way to work it out so he can fit everything in.

Best of luck.

[Jcc123]

My son, also an MSII, has a required Biochem lab that is only offered once per week, at the same time as the MSII class. He was allowed to register for the MSII class anyway, but will actually do it as independent study. He had to get a permit approved in order for the system to allow him to register for two classes that meet at the same time.
He will then meet one-on-one with the MSII instructor once a week for an hour or so, depending on what is being covered in class that week. Luckily , there was no conflict with ROTC lab, which would have been much harder to work around.

[bdaMom]

Our son ran into conflicts as well. Ended up taking Physics crammed into a summer semester to get it in. Not a great option, but it worked.

[Aglahad]

Cadre worked around my schedule MSIII/IV year because my nurses classes were sequential and only offered at one time. They just offered an alternative class time for people to show up and go over the topics we missed in the regular class.

It wasn't a big deal, but hey it may change depending on the batt. I mean lets be honest a MS class isn't exactly rocket science and could easily be taught on the side or even in one of the cadre's office. I am sure there others with conflicts as well.

[goaliedad]

Ultimately, the Cadre will have to sign off on the 104R, so if an extra semester (assuming here that the year-long class can be taken with one of the MSIII class sections) is required, they will have to sign off on it.

What surprises me is that this issue hasn't been resolved to this point. Usually course schedules for the fall term (I assume here that we are talking about the Fall term) come out in the Winter. Cadet gets his advisor signoff and takes it to Cadre for signoff before enrollment begins, typically.

A cadet should have been enrolling sometime 6 months ago. This question should have been settled back then. Why is this coming to light now?

[Aglahad]

Originally Posted by goaliedad

Ultimately, the Cadre will have to sign off on the 104R, so if an extra semester (assuming here that the year-long class can be taken with one of the MSIII class sections) is required, they will have to sign off on it.

What surprises me is that this issue hasn't been resolved to this point. Usually course schedules for the fall term (I assume here that we are talking about the Fall term) come out in the Winter. Cadet gets his advisor signoff and takes it to Cadre for signoff before enrollment begins, typically.

A cadet should have been enrolling sometime 6 months ago. This question should have been settled back then. Why is this coming to light now?

ROTC classes are often scheduled TBA by instructor and cadets like me have no clue when MS class is until school starts. He probably just started his first week and was like "uh ohhh" when he saw the conflict

[Jcleppe]

Originally Posted by Aglahad

ROTC classes are often scheduled TBA by instructor and cadets like me have no clue when MS class is until school starts. He probably just started his first week and was like "uh ohhh" when he saw the conflict

That's the same way it works at my son's battalion. They schedule the classe times at the beginning of the semester and then sometimes rearrange the schedule to fit what works best with all the cadets.

[AROTC Parent]

Thank you for the input.

Summer school is not an option. These upper level sciences are not offered in the summer.

As Aglahad indicated the ROTC extension course schedule was not published until one week ago with days and times.....and one was wrong.

New Cadre was aware of the conflict potential in March based on last years schedule but the 104R does not include class times.

It will all work out in the end...hopefully. Likely meeting with the PMS tomorrow.

Additional input is always welcome.

[goaliedad]

Interesting. I remember that my daughter's battallion does their MSIII (her year) at one campus (small battallion), but they do it Tuesday evening (1800-2100)and provide transportation. IIRC it was scheduled for evening last spring, the only unknown was which campus.

That being said, they have their campus lab time Tuesday morning 0630-0830. Makes for a long day when most of her other classes are Tu-Th classes.