Another USAFA spice investigation - 31 cadets involved

[flieger83]

Originally Posted by Luigi59

Cadet cleared of spice use, convicted for falsehood

September 07, 2012



I'm a little confused - she was found innocent of using spice, but convicted for lying about not using spice?

HOPEFULLY she'll be dismissed for violating the honor code...

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

[MemberLG]

Originally Posted by dlee96

Forgive me if I am misinformed, but, why do I always hear about USAFA being under heat as opposed to the other SAs (gross sexual misconduct, drugs, cheating rings, etc)?

Might be where you live.

If you read Annapolis Time (I think), you will hear about misconducts at the Naval Academy.

Samething for news media local to West Point.

There were at least one rape case at West Point that I can recall a few years back. One of the Navy QBs was dismissed before graduation for misconduct. One of the Army QBs was placed on honor probation.

[Luigi59]

Originally Posted by flieger83

HOPEFULLY she'll be dismissed for violating the honor code...

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

The only punishment so far was forfeiture of 1/3 of her pay ($330) for 3 months.

U.S. AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. -
Cadet 2nd Class Kami L. Bohannon was sentenced to forfeit $330 of her pay per month for three months after being found guilty in a special court martial.

Would they give a punishment like this if she was leaving?

[Luigi59]

Originally Posted by dlee96

Forgive me if I am misinformed, but, why do I always hear about USAFA being under heat as opposed to the other SAs (gross sexual misconduct, drugs, cheating rings, etc)?

I believe every academy had a spice or drug incident last year that led to charges and/or disenrollments, all have had serious cheating scandals, and all have had sexual assault accusations.

The ones involving high profile D1 academy athletes tend to get a little more media attention.

[Pima]

I agree with Luigi, all of the SA's have had the same issues in the past.

If I recall correctly the AFA was the last sister service to have this make media news, they weren't the only service. Same with rape allegations.

Here is an article from April this yr. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/22/justic...uit/index.html

In a lawsuit filed in U.S. Federal Court on Friday, the women claim the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, New York, and the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, ignored "rampant sexual harassment."
The suit claims former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, the former superintendents of the two academies and the current secretaries of the Army and Navy are "personally responsible" for failing to "prevent rapes and sexual assaults at the Naval Academy and West Point."

Notice the AFA is not part of the suit. I am not saying they don't have problems, but I am highlighting that they exist everywhere. If you just took the reporting of this issue at face level, the AFA would be having halo's of innocence since they weren't named, but in reality, they have had the same issues too.

The same is true for cheating. Yes, the AFA had problems this yr. that made news, but so did the Navy with Kriss Proctor.

IMPO it tends to be where you live and how tuned into it you really are. All of that being said, the amount of issues is so nominal compared to a traditional college it really should be put into that perspective when doing any comparisons.

[falconfamily]

Luigi, I think the punishment from the court-martial panel is limited to the finding. But that does not mean that the cadet is not subsequently subject to further punishment based upon a violation of the UCMJ.

[usna1985]

^^^^^

If memory serves, USAFA has a major rape/sexual assault issue several years ago. As Luigi said, unfortunately, all of the SAs have had scandals related to cheating, sexual assault, drinking and driving, and drugs -- and sometimes they seem to come in "waves."

I don't think it's fair to single out any one SA. What is truly sad is that so many great young people throw away a truly great opportunity due to a very bad error in judgment. But it does happen, and it happens at every SA (and every civilian college).

[Pima]

usna,

Notice I said " but in reality, they have had the same issues too." If I recall correctly, one time the AFA was even profiled on 60 Minutes for this issue. My point was, depending on what you are reading or listening to your opinion can be slanted.

I also agree with you about every traditional college, and IMPO, I think any of the topics we are discussing here are small in numbers in comparison to traditional colleges.

Every yr on this forum, questions like this arise. People are concerned with safety, and these are legitimate issues. However, people also need to see the big picture, that, as others have said it occurring at an SA makes news because the fact is it is not only rare, but society expects a much higher level of standard from these 18-22 yr old students than they do from a traditional college.

[usnabgo08]

I think the punishment from the court-martial panel is limited to the finding. But that does not mean that the cadet is not subsequently subject to further punishment based upon a violation of the UCMJ

It is, the jury can only impose a sentence based on the charges to which the servicemember is found guilty. The cadet could be subject to further administrative action, though cannot be charged in a punitive nature, unless the convening authority decides to convene another court-martial (unlikely).