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Default Discharged DADT Cadet escorts Lady Gaga to VMA's in INDIA WHITES

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N..._Gaga_to_VMAs/

Katie Miller, the cadet who was separated due to DADT right before Cow Committment this year, was one of four Don't Ask, Don't Tell-discharged servicemembers who escorted Lady Gaga to MTV's Video Music Awards.

Miller wore her cadet-issued India Whites.

Is there anyway her actions could result in an Article 15 under the UCMJ because of improper wear of the uniform after being discharged from active duty?
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Interesting, but I don't think there is anything "on the books" that they would get in trouble for.

They've all been separated from the service so would be difficult to charge them under UCMJ. Obviously stolen valor was ruled unconstitutional so couldn't use that.
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The world is full of people who need attention.
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The young lady has a lot to learn not only about life, but the real world. She is nothing more than a disappointment.

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A dissappointment to whom? You? You don't know her or anything about her. If you talk about her, then you need to also talk about the other three with her who were discharged.

Everyone has their own opinion - some say it's grandstanding, some say it's activism. They may have simply been craving attention or attempting to portray what they feel is an injustice. While it's probably not in accordance with Army Regs, I fail to see it's a violation of Stolen Valor or illegal in anyway. As far as activism goes, having them appear in their military uniform was a good visual. It showed to a large (young) audience that these people lost their careers because of DADT. If you know anything about Lady Gaga, then you know she has championed other social causes as well and I suppose if you disagree with her support of DADT you would have found this distateful.
The whole idea of this was to encourage young adults to call their US Senators to vote to repeal DADT.

She (Katie Miller) and the others are Honorably discharged Veterans. They were wearing their service uniforms and decorations they had earned at the time of their separation. Not any different than a Vietnam Vet wearing his army fatigues and medals at the Vietnam Memorial.
They were not "posers" like this guy:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/0...faker-091210w/
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A dissappointment to whom? You? You don't know her or anything about her. If you talk about her, then you need to also talk about the other three with her who were discharged.

Everyone has their own opinion - some say it's grandstanding, some say it's activism. They may have simply been craving attention or attempting to portray what they feel is an injustice. While it's probably not in accordance with Army Regs, I fail to see it's a violation of Stolen Valor or illegal in anyway. As far as activism goes, having them appear in their military uniform was a good visual. It showed to a large (young) audience that these people lost their careers because of DADT. If you know anything about Lady Gaga, then you know she has championed other social causes as well and I suppose if you disagree with her support of DADT you would have found this distateful.
The whole idea of this was to encourage young adults to call their US Senators to vote to repeal DADT.

She (Katie Miller) and the others are Honorably discharged Veterans. They were wearing their service uniforms and decorations they had earned at the time of their separation. Not any different than a Vietnam Vet wearing his army fatigues and medals at the Vietnam Memorial.
They were not "posers" like this guy:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/0...faker-091210w/
She is NOT a veteran. Not in any way, shape, or form. She did nothing for her country except earn transferable college credits. Period. Spending time as a cadet does NOT make one a veteran of anything except college.
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.... As far as activism goes, having them appear in their military uniform was a good visual. It showed to a large (young) audience that these people lost their careers because of DADT.
The DADT policy did not make her lose her career. Her big mouth in not adhering to a policy, that she AGREED to when she applied to the academies, is why she lost her military career.
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She (Katie Miller) and the others are Honorably discharged Veterans. They were wearing their service uniforms and decorations they had earned at the time of their separation. Not any different than a Vietnam Vet wearing his army fatigues and medals at the Vietnam Memorial.
They were not "posers" like this guy:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/0...faker-091210w/
As already mentioned, there was nothing honorable about her service. Matter of fact, she didn't serve at all. She spent 2 years at the academy taking college classes which as stated, have been transferred to a civilian college. She is nothing more than a grandstander.
I am all for repealing the DADT policy. But there's a proper way to go about it. If your neighbor's dog keeps going into your yard and urinating, you don't fix the problem by going into their yard and letting your dog crap in their grass. Or more appropriately, you wouldn't send a letter to the local newspaper wanting them to post that your neighbor's dog is coming to your yard to do his business.

She could have continued fighting the cause while still serving. Gays are not the only people in the military community who are against the DADT policy. Her activist actions could have continued on. She could have continued with a personal lesbian relationship. All she had to do was "DON'T TALK" about it. Oh yea,,,, that's right. That's part 2 of the "DON'T ASK..... DON'T TELL" part of the policy.

Sorry Jam; you can debate this one all you want. She was wrong. We know she was wrong. Deep down inside, I believe that you know she was wrong. Even she knows what her motives are. She handled this entire situation wrong. And now, she continues to handle it wrong. And the reason we aren't talking about the "others", is because they didn't make themselves a news item. They didn't brag about the situation. They weren't looking for notoriety. They simply left and chose to continue their fight on the outside. I can respect that. If this girl felt that strongly about her academy environment, and future military service, she too could have taken a similar action. But she CHOSE the media's attention and lime light. She deserves any criticism that comes to her.
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JAM,

Like everyone else said, there are right and wrong ways to do things. She seems to be trying everything she can to gain attention. I may not know her personally, but I know people who knew her and I can tell you that a lot of the stuff she has said is not exactly true.

1) Her sexual preference was no secret, she may not have said it but it was pretty obvious. There are a few cadets with a similar situation, but the policy is followed, we don't ask and they don't tell.

2) She complained about having to make up a fake dating history when that is also not true. Many cadets openly admit to never having a girlfriend/boyfriend and they are in no way looked down upon or suspected of being homosexual.

The argument with her isn't about DADT, it's about her exploiting the issue to gain media attention.


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While it's probably not in accordance with Army Regs, I fail to see it's a violation of Stolen Valor or illegal in anyway.
In accordance with chapter 45, section 771, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 771), no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform of the U.S. Army unless otherwise authorized by law. Additionally, no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear a uniform, any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the U.S. Army uniform. This includes the distinctive uniforms and uniform items listed in paragraph 1–12.
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