United States of America Service Academy Forums  

Go Back   United States of America Service Academy Forums > Other Sources of Commission > ROTC


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21st August 2011
captaintexas captaintexas is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 12
Default AFROTC- Change Major Choices On Application?

I finished my main application when it first became available online. (It has the check mark by it.) My problem now is that what I've become interested in and what I want to major in have changed now. But I can't re-access the page to change the three major options.

I haven't fully completed the application, I'm still working on getting my fitness scores up. Is it too late to change the majors? I'd hate to get a scholarship and be stuck with something I hate.

I'm fairly confident that I will get a scholarship but I'm wondering if I will have to give up on getting the scholarship and just enroll in the AFROTC at my local college so I can have the major I want. But I really need the money so should I maybe try and change it when I get the scholarship? What would you guys suggest the best route be for me to take?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 21st August 2011
Pima's Avatar
Pima Pima is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nokesville, VA
Posts: 10,058
Default

Best route, contact your ALO for guidance. It may be AFROTC HQ will have to re-open the page if you can't unlock it.

Boards have not met yet so you are not too late. Also talk to your ALO for better perspective and guidance before deciding to switch majors. For ex: you want to be an astronaut, well that means you need Test Pilot School (TPS), which only can occur if you are an engineering graduate.

Be forewarned that if you have decided to go non-tech from a tech major it maybe insanely competitive. I am not advocating staying tech major, because nothing makes a kid more miserable in college than attending classes for a major they despise, and most likely do poorly in or eventually change majors anyway. I am saying to understand that non-tech is insanely competitive. Only 5% of Type 1 are awarded, and only @5% of them go to non-tech. Do the math, out of 1000 applicants @3 get it for non-tech. Be honest and real with yourself regarding your application.

Next thing. You need to understand the AFROTC program once you are a scholarship cadet in college

1. GPA matters. Fall under that 3.0, even though they say 2.whatever minimum, you are risking your scholarship. 2 yrs ago at DS school 3 months prior to commissioning they said to a cadet with career in hand, thanks but no thanks, and cut him loose. He had a 2.8 gpa.

2. SFT. This is where the GPA really kicks in. SFT boards do not give extra points for scholarship cadets. It is all OML. You carry under a 3.0, and with the current selection rate hovering in the 50 percentile, you may not be selected. No selection = no POC. No POC = loss of scholarship. DS's school 3.0+ for engineering = SFT, 3.2+ for non-tech = SFT.

It also = no AF commissioning.

You could find yourself at the end of your soph yr trying to figure out how to stay at that school from a fiscal perspective because you took it all for granted that once in college and above the scholarship min., it would mean you could keep that scholarship. Kids walked away this yr heart broken, not only because they didn't get SFT, but because they didn't have plan B in place if they lost the scholarship. 2 yrs of friendships, and school spirit washed away because they never expected it.

AFROTC cadets need to keep plan B on how to pay until they become a POC.

3. Yes, you have the option to change majors once there, but it is not a walk in the park.

See this post: http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/...ad.php?t=21477

They also have the right to just say NOPE, and you are stuck with that major.

Honestly, if money is an issue, I would not want to go down the path of #3. It will not play into their equation at all. The only thing that does is your stats and major. Colleges don't play into the equation really, because they don't care if 1 school has 100% on scholarship and the other has 0%, unlike A/NROTC. All they care about is if the college accepts AFROTC scholarships, they don't even need to be the host, just accept money from them and they are A-OK.

Hope this helps. Sorry if I was too blunt, but I prefer that you all know the risks that happen instead of saying, NO PROBLEM, GO FOR IT!
Quote:
Originally Posted by captaintexas
I'm fairly confident that I will get a scholarship
I have to say, I don't know your stats at all, but unless you are the top 10% of your graduating class, an NMSF (remember AFROTC does not super score SAT or ACT), on an athletic team, EC's up the yahoo, can max the PFA and have no DoDMERB issues, I would not feel confident.

Here is a candidate that is only going AFROTC against you. http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/...ad.php?t=21434

Please go to post 11 and hit the blue link.

AFA has already stated that this yr will be tighter than LY for apptmts. That means there will be more TWE from the AFA, and 95% of AFA candidates apply AFROTC as plan B. These candidates typically are the top 10% of their class, 85%+ have a varsity letter, high percentage were BSA Eagle Scout, valedictorian, class leadership positions, etc.

Again, my point is keep working on your resume and make it the best it can be, because even that PFA can make a difference between a Type 1,2,7 or nothing. With these economic times I would not take anything for granted. Not saying you are. Just a reminder that to get a true perspective of your competition is to not only look here for stats, but also on the AFA forum. @3500 candidates will get noms, only 1300 will get apptmts, that means 2K+ may be taking that AFROTC scholarship.

AFROTC and AFA boards do not talk. They take the highest WCS and offer appt/scholarships and for AFROTC geographic location is not in the equation at all, as it is for AFA, it is purely based on national. Many AFA candidates will hold onto that scholarship to the last minute, and that is after the last board. In essence, if they do the money goes back into the pot for next yr. There is no wait-list for AFROTC scholarships.

I know I sounded like the wet blanket, but if you now have the knowledge of how competitive it really is, you have the ability to make a plan. If you decide that you are on par with them, than you should be fairly confident. If you feel you are below them, work on your resume you have a lot of time left. If you feel there is no way in Hades regardless of hard you work, than my question to you is did you want bad enough?

These links shows you that there are people who won't take NO for an answer
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/...ad.php?t=20989
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/...ad.php?t=21385

Up to you. Good luck.
__________________
Integrity First. Service before self. Excellence in all we do.

Last edited by Pima; 21st August 2011 at 08:14 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 21st August 2011
captaintexas captaintexas is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 12
Default

This is a lot of information. I am from a non-military background, so a lot of the things you said I am not quite sure what are. How do I find out my ALO? I've just filled out the application online. The only email I have gotten is from the Oklahoma State University detachment welcoming me to the process. I think it was a generic email sent to all who list it as one of their choices.

I actually want to change from a non-tech to a tech major. Because I heard the Air Force likes them more. Specifically Chemical Engineering. I had listed German, Computer Engineering, and Education under my majors. While I still wouldn't mind learning German, I am not thrilled about learning computers and I feel education might have been a waste of a spot, I did it because my mother is a teacher. I love Physics and Chemistry and feel I would be MUCH happier with those.

What is the SFT? and POC? I'm sorry I'm just not familiar with them at all.

I do have other back up plans not involving including other ways to fund my college but AFROTC is something I'm very serious about. Whether I get the scholarship or not I am going to be in the AFROTC. And I'd keep trying until I got where I wanted.

My resume so far is:
3.8 GPA
29 ACT (also retaking as much as I can to get it up)
Red Belt in Tae Kwon Do (Should be a blackbelt by the time College actually starts)
10 out 187 in my class
Section Leader for Jazz, Concert and Marching Band.
Eagle Scout
Boys State
I'm running the 1 1/2 mile in about 11 minutes 30 seconds
55 sit ups per minute
48 push ups per minute
The reason I haven't completed my application fully is because I want to get my fitness scores up a bit more.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 22nd August 2011
Pima's Avatar
Pima Pima is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nokesville, VA
Posts: 10,058
Default

ALO = Air Force Liaison Officer. For AFROTC cadets that are not applying AFA, you may just meet the AFROTC Coordinator in your region.

SFT = Summer Field Training. Occurs in the summer of your rising Jr year in college.

POC = Cadets that are jrs and srs, who have attended SFT

Regardless of your major foreign language is required for an AFROTC scholarship. I want to say 12 credits, but won't swear by it. I know it is at least 9 credits. German is not a high demand for AF, but if you have an aptitude for languages, look into Chinese, Arabic, Persian as majors. I may be incorrect, but I believe you can also get additional stipends for majoring in them. Understand if you want to fly it probably won't happen because they want you for your foreign language skills.

DO NOT CHANGE from non-tech to tech because you heard the AF likes them more. Change because you want to major in it.

29 ACT for an engineering major is troublesome. Engineering requires A LOT of Math and Science. 29 is a composite, 31 M/Sci and 27 V is one thing 29 across the board is another.

Remember your 1st day in HS and how you felt you were catapulted into getting with the program? Now catapult yourself 10X harder as an engineering major. That is what college life is like. IF your science and Math are not strong, life will be hard.

As far as your PFA scores go, I will remind you that you will be competing against AFA candidates. They do a CFA, which is different, but I suggest you look up the max for CFA regarding run. sit up and push up so you can use it as a bar.
__________________
Integrity First. Service before self. Excellence in all we do.

Last edited by Pima; 22nd August 2011 at 07:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 22nd August 2011
aglages's Avatar
aglages aglages is offline
Parent
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: SE Florida
Posts: 2,619
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pima View Post
Regardless of your major foreign language is required for an AFROTC scholarship. I want to say 12 credits, but won't swear by it.
It is 12 credits and the requirement is only for non-tech majors that receive a HSSP (High School Scholarship Program) Scholarship.
Good luck.
__________________
Note: This post may contain misspellings, grammatical errors, disorganized sentence structure, or may entirely lack a coherent theme but it will only add to the overall beauty of my message.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 22nd August 2011
Pima's Avatar
Pima Pima is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nokesville, VA
Posts: 10,058
Default

I was pretty sure it was 12. Honestly, for DS that has been the hardest course to schedule for him because he is not a foreign language major and of course colleges try to keep those courses available for language students. Additionally since it is such a small major at his school they don't offer them as frequently as Econ or Psych.

He actually had to take two different languages because of scheduling conflicts (German and Italian).

That is one thing to realize when selecting your major as you go up in course level the classes become smaller and are offered less often. Becareful to plan appropriately, especially if for some reason you decide to transfer majors. Many higher level courses are offered 1X a yr, with a pre-req. You can quickly fin yourself behind the 8 ball because to graduate on time you will need specific classes, but when you transferred majors those classes were already either filled or not offered.

Many large universities will open classes by yr group and some even will break it down to gpa, higher gpa gets to register first.

So it is not only beneficial to you to feel confident about your intended major for that AFROTC scholarship, but because even if they allow you to change it, you may jeopardize your ability to graduate on time; thus, still lose the scholarship.
__________________
Integrity First. Service before self. Excellence in all we do.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:04 PM.


Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright ©2006-2014
Service Academy Forums® is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC
By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Ad Management plugin by RedTyger