Navy QB resigns prior to graduation

[Christcorp]

I totally understand and agree. However; I really doubt he's going to have to pay back any significant amount. Maybe we'll see in the future how this turns out. Getting him to pay $1000 a month for the next 10-15 years? I don't think it's going to happen.

[Stealth_81]

For what it's worth there, our son has a friend who was a classmate at USAFA. He was booted during second semester of Firstie year for an alcohol offense. There was no option given for him to enlist. He is currently enrolled at a Big Ten university to finish his degree. He has a payment plan for his educational cost recoupment from USAFA that runs about $800/mo. and the total amount owed was $118K. His parents (who I know through the 2011 parents group) are making the payment for him until he graduates, finds a job, and can take over.

Stealth_81

[Pima]

Mike,

I am just curious of why you think he won't have to repay.

I get anecdotal, but right now we have a poster with a DS in NROTC that has to pay back 150K. We have another poster that has a friend paying 800 a month.

Why do you believe this mid is an exception?

I just need to understand why you doubt it when posters here are saying it is happening.

Is it because he was the QB?

FWIW, DS's friend in AFROTC 2 yrs ago after completing SFT decided the AF wasn't for him. In 2010, he left, and the AF came after him for 33K since he was a scholarship recipient.

It is happening. I know an AFA grad who was informed if he didn't go UPT after his ED, he would be on the hook financially to the AF.

This is the new military.

[Christcorp]

Originally Posted by Pima

Mike,

I am just curious of why you think he won't have to repay.

I get anecdotal, but right now we have a poster with a DS in NROTC that has to pay back 150K. We have another poster that has a friend paying 800 a month.

Why do you believe this mid is an exception?

I just need to understand why you doubt it when posters here are saying it is happening.

Is it because he was the QB?

FWIW, DS's friend in AFROTC 2 yrs ago after completing SFT decided the AF wasn't for him. In 2010, he left, and the AF came after him for 33K since he was a scholarship recipient.

It is happening. I know an AFA grad who was informed if he didn't go UPT after his ED, he would be on the hook financially to the AF.

This is the new military.

Mainly because he's being ousted for an honor's violation. I already mentioned that if it was for a legal, UCMJ, or similar reason; e.g. alcohol, drugs, assault, or any other incident that was chargeable, I could see it. But being booted out for an honor's violation is too subjective. In other words, it's something that I believe could be fought/argued.

Could I be wrong and he WILL have to pay back part of his education? Sure. I conceded that earlier. I just don't see an honor's violation as something that can be held up to. Especially if it's true that that this is his 3rd. (Totally no proof of). He could have been let go earlier; possibly in the first 2 years if that's when the other(s) honor's violation happened.

We are also assuming he would fight such a thing. The thing that makes this a little different is that the academy isn't booting him out. He is voluntarily resigning. I think in the other cases mentioning paying back, the military decided to let those people go. We don't know what the honor's violation was. Or, what the previous 2 were (Assuming this is his 3rd). I've always stood the ground of skepticism on issues where "We" don't have all the facts. Whether it's threads about drugs, sexual harassment, etc... There's always too much speculation on the forums when facts are not known.

The only supposed facts we know is that he is "voluntarily" leaving and that it's based on a honor's violation. And other than an internal code, an honor's violation isn't something usually criminal or punishable other than no longer being allowed in school. My opinion has nothing to do with him being a Quarterback. If indeed this is his 3rd honor's violation, ad only now are they looking at dismissing him, that might have something to do with him being a quarterback. But not what we're talking about.

[chandlgd]

My question is will he get his degree? I mean he is all but out of school,will he received his degree and a dishonorable discharge? I believe their are a lot of questions that need answers and we may never know the answer too. It is just a shame to waste such an amazing gift. Plus lets not forget he received his flight school slot.

[LineInTheSand]

He won't get his degree from USNA.... many of his credits will likely transfer.

[Pima]

Originally Posted by Cristcorp

But being booted out for an honor's violation is too subjective. In other words, it's something that I believe could be fought/argued.

Tell that to Gojira where her DS was 8 lbs overweight. Again hired an attorney and the response was:

Secretary of the Navy was asking for full recoupment of anyone who was facing disenrollment.


You have a point. He resigned his commission. AKA corp world, resign or be fired.

He may not pay 1 penny. I just can't bite off on the too subjective issue when an NROTC 12 mid is now going to pay 150K back for 8 lbs.

You were ADAF, do you think 8 lbs as a man is a reason?

[hornetguy]

I had a classmate in my squadron booted for honor firstie year....she is paying back the government for that.

My friends I referenced are in a position that that deny the debt was even viable. He was booted while in UPT and probably had the worst set of bosses refusing to work and help him (great guy now training to be a Sheriff, I was his best man at his wedding). I won't explain the specific circumstances, but they still (2 years later) refuse to pay the debt and fight it. Since we don't have debtors prisons in this country, the debt collector had one option: 15% wage garnishment. They anticipate at some point the debt collector will offer a sweet deal because at that garnishment rate, they won't be able to get the full amount of the loan in their lifetime!!

A voluntary separation isn't going to be given any more leniency than someone getting booted. They really don't operate that way.

[Packer]

Originally Posted by Christcorp

I've always stood the ground of skepticism on issues where "We" don't have all the facts. Whether it's threads about drugs, sexual harassment, etc... There's always too much speculation on the forums when facts are not known.

[Navy1981]

And don't be too sure that he'll be free and clear. The government has up to 7 years to decide if they want to recoup a debt (that was the guidance I received on an argument I am having with personal property, who says my storage shipment is now weighing more than when it when in to storage).

This post was from last year.
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/...highlight=bill

One other note. Since he is voluntarily resigning in lieu of being separated for an honor offense, there may be nothing officially that is adverse against him. So that could mean 4 years in the fleet as an enlisted. It happened to a good friend of mine who left the academy in their senior year. But that was back in the late 1980's, and it was a different world then.