Class of 2015 is currently at 999 as of this AM. Allowing for losses to 2016 during Beast and some possible further reduction of 2015 due to the calculus cheating problem and Summer "erosion"; it is possible that these two classes together may number under 2000 by September.
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So this is a good thing for those applying for later classes...correct?
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Not necessarily... we are still trying to downsize and the classes over the next few years will continue to be small.
Okay, I was at the finance office just the other day and saw pages upon pages of names on the sign in sheet of C/O 2015 students out-processing. USAFA has to have their numbers down to under 4000 by 1 October, the start of the fiscal year. I talked to one person there, and he said that USAFA made a tun of cuts kicking people out at the end of the year if you weren't well rounded. He said he had a low GPA, around 2.3 or 2.4. So, does this mean that numbers will be higher in the coming years?
Personally, I don't think so. Although the numbers for the C/O2013-2016 are going to be quite small, USAFA still has to fit in that 4000 person limit. So, you might see 1100 or so students coming in compared to the typical 1400 or so. I think it is still going to be just as difficult to get in.
Personally, I don't think so. Although the numbers for the C/O2013-2016 are going to be quite small, USAFA still has to fit in that 4000 person limit. So, you might see 1100 or so students coming in compared to the typical 1400 or so. I think it is still going to be just as difficult to get in.
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I agree that it does not necessarily mean the class sizes will ever get back to the 1350 amount it was 4 yrs ago in the very near future.
Remember the AFA is one of the officer pipelines for ADAF, so part of the equation will be long term strategic personnel planning from AFMPC. There is always a ratio of Flag to Field, Field to Company grade. It is than broken down to individual ranks and broken even further down to yr groups within the ranks. If the ADAF needs less officers to come on AD status than the pipeline will slow down.
All of the branches are downsizing, the AF is the branch that has the least amount to cut in the next few years, but the fact is there will be a troop reduction.
Also remember the key word regarding amount of cadets at the AFA is not 4,000, it is UP TO. IOTW, strategic personnel planning and pipeline issues from an AFPMC position.
Remember the AFA is one of the officer pipelines for ADAF, so part of the equation will be long term strategic personnel planning from AFMPC. There is always a ratio of Flag to Field, Field to Company grade. It is than broken down to individual ranks and broken even further down to yr groups within the ranks. If the ADAF needs less officers to come on AD status than the pipeline will slow down.
All of the branches are downsizing, the AF is the branch that has the least amount to cut in the next few years, but the fact is there will be a troop reduction.
Also remember the key word regarding amount of cadets at the AFA is not 4,000, it is UP TO. IOTW, strategic personnel planning and pipeline issues from an AFPMC position.
The original announcement of class size reductions for 2015 & 2016 did indicate that beginning with 2017 the classes would be slightly larger. This information is a couple of years old and has been pointed out is definitely subject to change based on the AFs current projected needs.
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Agagles you are correct, but like you stated it can change, and unfortunately due to our elected officials the DOD budget is still an issue. In turn, that means the AF long term strategic personnel planning is left in flux because the budget is in flux.
JMPO, but I would assume that they will increase it to the 1165 next yr., BUT the issue is still our economy, and many applicants that never considered an SA may do so now because it is "FREE" with a guaranteed job and only 4 yrs owed if they don't go rated. Big draw when AF op tempo is not the same as it was 3 yrs ago. That means the applicant pool will enlarge and in essence the 100 more slots does not equate to a better chance.
As a Dad of an AFROTC POC cadet and AFA cadet, you have seen both sides (AFA and AFROTC). AFROTC increased EA allotments this yr by 100, they played the numbers due to Det CC mini-boards, but in the end, statistically it was the same chances as LY. The 100 slots sounded great and a relief, but the % that got an EA didn't really increase.
As you move further down the road, you start to see other factors that play into the equation. If you see these factors, it is important to make sure that posters/lurkers not think 100 more appts equates to Yippee Skippee Thank God I am a 2017 applicant.
JMPO, but I would assume that they will increase it to the 1165 next yr., BUT the issue is still our economy, and many applicants that never considered an SA may do so now because it is "FREE" with a guaranteed job and only 4 yrs owed if they don't go rated. Big draw when AF op tempo is not the same as it was 3 yrs ago. That means the applicant pool will enlarge and in essence the 100 more slots does not equate to a better chance.
As a Dad of an AFROTC POC cadet and AFA cadet, you have seen both sides (AFA and AFROTC). AFROTC increased EA allotments this yr by 100, they played the numbers due to Det CC mini-boards, but in the end, statistically it was the same chances as LY. The 100 slots sounded great and a relief, but the % that got an EA didn't really increase.
As you move further down the road, you start to see other factors that play into the equation. If you see these factors, it is important to make sure that posters/lurkers not think 100 more appts equates to Yippee Skippee Thank God I am a 2017 applicant.
Great explanation Pima! Helps to put what was apparently an increase in EA allotments into perspective. As you pointed out; if USAFA increases the class size for 2017, the possibility (odds) of receiving an Appointment may be offset by the increased numbers of applicants. Either way .... Good luck to the 2017 candidates!
