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tfjd0001

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With no knowledge of LOA's or recruited athletes I called the MOC's office and was informed that out of the 10 on the slate my son was not selected. The MOC's office indicated that they would not hear if other students from the slate were selected. Does this mean he goes into the national pool and we will not hear until the end of March or is he out of the race? Is there anyone at USNA to contact to find out?
 
He is not out of the race. He will go into the National pool. Since he is not charged to the MOC's vacancy, you will most likely hear of his appointment (keeping positive thoughts here) through the BFE randomly appearing in your mailbox, any time between now and April 15th. I don't think USNA will tell you anything different. Also, keep in mind that sometimes the MOCs don't have the full story, as the USNA admissions will shuffle around who they charge an appointment to right up to the last minute. Its a big puzzle where some pieces fit in more than one spot. Keep the faith!
 
You need to have a NOM (& be 3Q) to be considered for an appointment from those in the National Pool. Is this the only place your son applied for a NOM?
 
I think OP means that son was one of the 10 on the slate, so he has a nom, but MOC indicated he was not the one appointed/charged from the slate. That's how I read the post anyway.
 
He did received the NOM for the Congressman but was not chosen from the slate of 10. He applied for the VP NOM and he did not hear from USNA on the NOM. Without official being told he is 3Q his admission officer at USNA informed him his package was complete and he needed nothing further. CFA, Medical, BGO interview, school scores and transcripts were uploaded in the portal, he was not notified to retake or resubmit any of them, (after reviewing the 3Q on the forum I believed he is 3Q)
Thanks for the help in figuring this out.
 
Where a NOM is issued can be different from where USNA evetually charges it. This gets asked quite often. IF you son is 3Q (remember USNA no longer tells applicants of that status, you can't assume) and has a NOM, he is still in the running for an appointment (assuming we are interpreting your question correctly).
 
My DS was not selected from MOC slate of 10, I believe, because got a random email yesterday from BGO who stated that he was "good to go" & to wait on results in April. I am assuming this meant he is triple qualified and in the national pool now? I emailed her back to clarify.
 
Another question, let’s say the student pick from the slate decides not to attend the USNA, does that opening then go into the national pool or does the USNA pick the next student from the slate.
Thanks again
 
Mom529, I don't think that necessarily means that he's in the national pool. It could just be a status update from the BGO, making sure your son knows all the information has been received. Often, admissions will make references to April because that is the latest time by which appointments will be sent out (well, 95+% of them, at least).

tfjd0001, I am pretty sure that in that situation, an appointment will go to the highest ranked alternate (if the slate is numbered) or one of the other 10 nominees (if it's competitive). Either way, I believe someone else from the slate would be selected for an appointment. Keep in mind, though, that the slates may be completely shuffled around by the USNA, especially once appointees are chosen from the national pool.

Hope this helps, and good luck! :thumb:
 
tfjd0001 said:
Another question, let’s say the student pick from the slate decides not to attend the USNA, does that opening then go into the national pool or does the USNA pick the next student from the slate.
Thanks again
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So far as I know, they can do either and it might very well depend on where they are in the admissions cycle. Given most declinations probably happen late in the cycle, because people are struggling with their decision, I expect they turn to the NWL. I don't know of any legal requirement that they go back to the slate.
 
Our MOC Liason told us early in the application process that last year the one appointed from MOCs slate ended up chosing West Point so they didn't have anyone charged to their vacancy last year. They were considering submitting 2 slates this year. (They ended up only submitting one but thats beside the point)

So depending on when in the cycle they decline I think USNA builds enough padding into their appointments by offering more than what the target class size is, that they don't always go back to the slate and "fill" the vacancy.
 
kinnem said:
tfjd0001 said:
Another question, let’s say the student pick from the slate decides not to attend the USNA, does that opening then go into the national pool or does the USNA pick the next student from the slate.
Thanks again
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So far as I know, they can do either and it might very well depend on where they are in the admissions cycle. Given most declinations probably happen late in the cycle, because people are struggling with their decision, I expect they turn to the NWL. I don't know of any legal requirement that they go back to the slate.
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I have a similar question but it pertains to waiver. If candidate has LOA, but is waiting for medical waiver for DQ, and doesn't get waiver, do they go to next on slate?
 
candidate1997 said:
kinnem said:
tfjd0001 said:
Another question, let’s say the student pick from the slate decides not to attend the USNA, does that opening then go into the national pool or does the USNA pick the next student from the slate.
Thanks again
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So far as I know, they can do either and it might very well depend on where they are in the admissions cycle. Given most declinations probably happen late in the cycle, because people are struggling with their decision, I expect they turn to the NWL. I don't know of any legal requirement that they go back to the slate.
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I have a similar question but it pertains to waiver. If candidate has LOA, but is waiting for medical waiver for DQ, and doesn't get waiver, do they go to next on slate?
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If you don't get the waiver then I believe that's the end of the road, LOA or not. If you read the LOA it states you need to pass the medical.
 
I meant if that person is done, so to speak (DQ'ed), then do they move on to the next on the MOC slate, or do they pull from the national pool? Sorry, didn't make my question clear!
 
While I think everyone is curious how this works, it doesn't really matter. It is transparent to the candidate. Candidates don't need to worry about WHO gets CHARGED to the nomination source. What really matters is that you (a) get a nomination and (b) a MOC nomination helps because that is where at least 3/4 of the national pool must come from.
Who comes next in the "WHAT IF" doesn't make any difference unless in a principal nomination with ranked alternates, which I think is very very rarely used...it is more common for competitive or principal with unranked alternates.
 
candidate1997 said:
I meant if that person is done, so to speak (DQ'ed), then do they move on to the next on the MOC slate, or do they pull from the national pool? Sorry, didn't make my question clear!
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I don't understand what you are asking. DQ'ed is DQ'ed. All over... do not pass goal, do not collect appointment. I have no idea what else you could mean by all done. Can you perhaps expand?
 
kinnem said:
candidate1997 said:
I meant if that person is done, so to speak (DQ'ed), then do they move on to the next on the MOC slate, or do they pull from the national pool? Sorry, didn't make my question clear!
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I don't understand what you are asking. DQ'ed is DQ'ed. All over... do not pass goal, do not collect appointment. I have no idea what else you could mean by all done. Can you perhaps expand?
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I am not talking about the DQ'ed person here. Asking if they move to the person that might be next on the slate for that MOC, or if they go to the national pool.
 
I believe what candidate1997 is asking is... if a MOC nominates 1 principle and 9 others, and the principle nominee is DQ'ed, does USNA appoint the next person on the MOC's list, or do those 9 other people go onto the NWL and no one is charged to that MOC's slate that year?

I'm no expert, but I assume that they would go with the next qualified candidate on the list, assuming the list is ranked. If the list is not ranked, they would probably just choose the strongest candidate. That's my best guess, but I'm just a HS student, so I wouldn't trust my answer very much. A BGO could probably give a more accurate answer.
 
Angie9715 said:
I believe what candidate1997 is asking is... if a MOC nominates 1 principle and 9 others, and the principle nominee is DQ'ed, does USNA appoint the next person on the MOC's list, or do those 9 other people go onto the NWL and no one is charged to that MOC's slate that year?

I'm no expert, but I assume that they would go with the next qualified candidate on the list, assuming the list is ranked. If the list is not ranked, they would probably just choose the strongest candidate. That's my best guess, but I'm just a HS student, so I wouldn't trust my answer very much. A BGO could probably give a more accurate answer.
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That is exactly what I was trying to ask, but you asked it so much better than I did :p
 
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