Yes she on the hook ethically and based on the rules, but based on reality and how the real world works, she is only on the hook if she decides to beI have to respectfully disagree with part of what you are saying Humey. She is already “on the hook” in my opinion by witnessing the act. It is an unfortunate situation to be in, but I agree with USMA 1994 on how it should be handled.
She gets to decide what code she wants to live by...the Honor Code she swore to uphold,or a personal code that values classmates above integrity.
As for background, never attended an academy. I am sure that there are people who live by what you consider to be honorable living and there are many people in the academies that follow this. These are goals that people aspire to, but people are people and most people never reach that level. I also think that most dont live by the the honorable living standard. . I would imagine that 98% of cadets would never even consider cheating, but I would also imagine that percentage drops down dramatically when it comes to turning other people in. Unless we are saying that cadets will be angels during the academy and as commission officers, I have to believe that not everyone lives by that standard. I am not saying we shouldnt push that standard, but to believe it has to occur because one decided to attend West Point is silly. I also have to believe that for every honor code violation they catch, there are probably 10 they dont. My friended attended one of the academies in the 80s told me that the difference between the person who commissioned and the person who got kicked out for honor violations was luck. The one who got kicked out was unlucky in that he got caught while the one who finished didnt get caughtYes she on the hook ethically and based on the rules, but based on reality and how the real world works, she is only on the hook if she decides to beI have to respectfully disagree with part of what you are saying Humey. She is already “on the hook” in my opinion by witnessing the act. It is an unfortunate situation to be in, but I agree with USMA 1994 on how it should be handled.
I am not sure of your background but the point of honorable living is that we always strive to do the right thing and not Rationalize the "Harder Right" away. The "real world" needs more honorable living and this is what sets these young men and women apart from their peers at State U. I would say that she already knows the proper course as the event really upset her.
She just need the support of everyone to stay committed to that honorable lifestyle.
I am not saying we shouldnt push that standard, but to believe it has to occur because one decided to attend West Point is silly. I also have to believe that for every honor code violation they catch, there are probably 10 they dont. My friended attended one of the academies in the 80s told me that the difference between the person who commissioned and the person who got kicked out for honor violations was luck. The one who got kicked out was unlucky in that he got caught while the one who finished didnt get caught
If you think all academy grads ignored the Honor Code at some point in third cadet career, you don't know many grads, and if the ones you do know think that is "just the way it is," I'm sorry you met such a poor sample group.As for background, never attended an academy. I am sure that there are people who live by what you consider to be honorable living and there are many people in the academies that follow this. These are goals that people aspire to, but people are people and most people never reach that level. I also think that most dont live by the the honorable living standard. . I would imagine that 98% of cadets would never even consider cheating, but I would also imagine that percentage drops down dramatically when it comes to turning other people in. Unless we are saying that cadets will be angels during the academy and as commission officers, I have to believe that not everyone lives by that standard. I am not saying we shouldnt push that standard, but to believe it has to occur because one decided to attend West Point is silly. I also have to believe that for every honor code violation they catch, there are probably 10 they dont. My friended attended one of the academies in the 80s told me that the difference between the person who commissioned and the person who got kicked out for honor violations was luck. The one who got kicked out was unlucky in that he got caught while the one who finished didnt get caught
If you think all academy grads ignored the Honor Code at some point in third cadet career, you don't know many grads, and if the ones you do know think that is "just the way it is," I'm sorry you met such a poor sample group.As for background, never attended an academy. I am sure that there are people who live by what you consider to be honorable living and there are many people in the academies that follow this. These are goals that people aspire to, but people are people and most people never reach that level. I also think that most dont live by the the honorable living standard. . I would imagine that 98% of cadets would never even consider cheating, but I would also imagine that percentage drops down dramatically when it comes to turning other people in. Unless we are saying that cadets will be angels during the academy and as commission officers, I have to believe that not everyone lives by that standard. I am not saying we shouldnt push that standard, but to believe it has to occur because one decided to attend West Point is silly. I also have to believe that for every honor code violation they catch, there are probably 10 they dont. My friended attended one of the academies in the 80s told me that the difference between the person who commissioned and the person who got kicked out for honor violations was luck. The one who got kicked out was unlucky in that he got caught while the one who finished didnt get caught
True. The right thing can often be personally, socially, and professionally painful.From son's personal experience: if "offending cadet" refuses to self-report and then it falls to the other to report, the other cadets in one's squad are likely to hold the reporting cadet at arms length. There seems to be talk about "honor code" and all that, but in reality, it seems many cadets would rather just let the cheater slide than realize the courage it takes to report a cheater.