Parents of MMI SAP Appointed Info

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I was just informed that MMI is doing several of the items for our Candidate Cadets Portal Check list. Cadet will need to pay at time of services or have ins. info.

They are doing Dental, Vision, Immunizations, Finger Printing/Background Check.

If you need to clarify or get more info you can call and talk to Renee in the Health Services. She is a wealth of info and VERY helpful! She gave me permission to put her name here. Her number is on the MMI website.

So thankful for these services!!
 
How many candidates are at MMI and are they mostly USMA or are other SAs included also? Also, do you know how many are sponsored versus self-sponsored and do you know the acceptance rate for sponsored and self-sponsored? Sorry for all the questions but I am very new to this whole process and I am trying to understand it all. Thanks.
 
How many candidates are at MMI and are they mostly USMA or are other SAs included also? Also, do you know how many are sponsored versus self-sponsored and do you know the acceptance rate for sponsored and self-sponsored? Sorry for all the questions but I am very new to this whole process and I am trying to understand it all. Thanks.
There are a bit over 400 total students at MMI, of which a about third are in the service academy program (SAP). The others are in ROTC, the early commissioning program, or just normal classes as a cadet at a junior military college.

There are cadets seeking admission to all five service academies in the SAP. Coast Guard has the highest number, but there are also a lot of West Point candidates and a decent number from the other three. This year there are 20 sponsored preps from West Point, and they all gained admission. Last year, they were 27/27 for AOG preps. There are usually several nonsponsored West Point preps who gain admission, but they do so at a much smaller percentage. The sponsored preps have to mess up in some rather significant way to not gain admission, so there are usually only one or two who don't a year out of the 20-30 at MMI. They have a chart with a more detailed presentation of this data under the "Numbers" section of their website.
 
Thank you very much. That is helpful. My DS is a junior and is focused on SA as direct appointment but as parents, we are pounding the table for Plan B, C, D, etc. He mentioned MMI as a plan B but I was not sure about the differences between being sponsored (which seems like a no-brainer) and self-sponsoring.
 
Thank you very much. That is helpful. My DS is a junior and is focused on SA as direct appointment but as parents, we are pounding the table for Plan B, C, D, etc. He mentioned MMI as a plan B but I was not sure about the differences between being sponsored (which seems like a no-brainer) and self-sponsoring.
My daughter is sponsored by West Point and attends MMI. If you have any questions I would be happy to answer. As stated above USCGA has the highest number at MMI followed by West Point (20 sponsored and 5 self prep have appointments to date).
 
Thank you very much. That is helpful. My DS is a junior and is focused on SA as direct appointment but as parents, we are pounding the table for Plan B, C, D, etc. He mentioned MMI as a plan B but I was not sure about the differences between being sponsored (which seems like a no-brainer) and self-sponsoring.
DS is sponsored Coast Guard at MMI and has several friends who self- prepped and gained appointments this year.
 
Thank you all very much. The sponsored route seems very favorable so hopefully that can be an option for my DS. This forum is very helpful.
 
There is a reason the AOG sponsored candidates are said to have a "Golden Ticket". They are expected to gain appointment the following year and are a lock to do so as long as the don't have a major screw up, behaviorally or academically, and remain medically qualified. It is the next best thing to an outright appointment and for many it is actually better in the long run. While there are other options, MMI does a great job with their SAP program and they really do care about the young men and women who attend.
 
So how does it work if you do not receive an AOG from USMA, she received information from MMI that she is eligible for the SAP program, but isn't sponsored? So how would that work.
 
So how does it work if you do not receive an AOG from USMA, she received information from MMI that she is eligible for the SAP program, but isn't sponsored? So how would that work.
I would recommend giving the office at MMI a call. They will have the answers and are very helpful.
 
So how does it work if you do not receive an AOG from USMA, she received information from MMI that she is eligible for the SAP program, but isn't sponsored? So how would that work.
Call and speak to LTC Bowen at MMI. He can explain the program and give you appointment rates for self sponsored cadets.
 
Thank you very much. That is helpful. My DS is a junior and is focused on SA as direct appointment but as parents, we are pounding the table for Plan B, C, D, etc. He mentioned MMI as a plan B but I was not sure about the differences between being sponsored (which seems like a no-brainer) and self-sponsoring.
Please feel free to call me (Susanna Barnes- 334-683-2364)
So how does it work if you do not receive an AOG from USMA, she received information from MMI that she is eligible for the SAP program, but isn't sponsored? So how would that work.
I would recommend giving the office at MMI a call. They will have the answers and are very helpful.
- Yes call me - I am Susanna Barnes - with MMI - I am a USMA 2016 mom - MMI is a lifesaver for so many - my son still wishes he would have spent a year here before West Point - Like he has said over and over MMI cadets are so much more successful at West Point - they have the advantage of a full year of experience - my number is 334-683-2364 my email is sbarnes@marionmilitary.edu and my cell is 205-427-7846.
 
@Jgbmom Can you share the self-prep appointment percentages over the last few years? One would expect the sponsored prep numbers to be close to 100%. They were qualified the year before and just missed out on an appointment. The real measurement of the program would be the self-prep success rate.
 
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Hoping to revive this old thread ... anyone have an answer to the previous question - what percentage of self preps get an appointment?
 
Hoping to revive this old thread ... anyone have an answer to the previous question - what percentage of self preps get an appointment?[/QUOTE

I was looking at the MMI website over the weekend and it has statistics and I believe every cadet (sponsored and unsponsored) which went through the SAP appointment received an appointment.

This is from the MMI Website:

Appointment History
Service Academy Program (SAP) Four-Year Appointment History
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I have yet to see the numbers from any of the prep schools that show the percentage of self prep students who get an appointment.

The position of admissions is that a strong candidate that did not receive an appointment should go to a four year college, take a rigorous schedule similar to plebe year and do well.

If the candidate is not that strong academically, prep school may be a better option.
 
I have yet to see the numbers from any of the prep schools that show the percentage of self prep students who get an appointment.

The position of admissions is that a strong candidate that did not receive an appointment should go to a four year college, take a rigorous schedule similar to plebe year and do well.

If the candidate is not that strong academically, prep school may be a better option.


Per MMI’s website:

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I have yet to see the numbers from any of the prep schools that show the percentage of self prep students who get an appointment.

The position of admissions is that a strong candidate that did not receive an appointment should go to a four year college, take a rigorous schedule similar to plebe year and do well.

If the candidate is not that strong academically, prep school may be a better option.

So you are saying Sponsored AOG's were not strong candidates?? If that is what you meant to say it is obviously ridiculous and incorrect as they are virtual locks for Appointment the following year and are contractually bound to accept that Appointment.
 
Sponsored cadets are a totally different population. If you get an AOG scholarship, you should take it if West Point is the goal.

The party line from admissions is that a strong candidate who is not offered an AOG scholarship should attend a four year college and do well in a rigorous schedule. That is repeated during any discussion with admissions or any Field Force Training.

The above chart does not tell us anything or show a measure of MMI's performance in improving candidates chances of receiving an appointment. The sponsored cadets are offered an appointment as long as they complete the program. Marion is just a placeholder for these cadets until the next year. Those numbers should be removed from the data set. The data we need is how many self-prep candidates enrolled and how many of those were offered an appointment. It shows 36 self-prep cadets were offered this year. If the self-prep population entering is around 40-45, the number is impressive. If that population is closer to 75-100 then it is not that good.
 
FWIW, I am not trying to bash any of the civilian prep schools. I really would like to know the true measure of self-prep success so I could be more effective helping the candidates I interact with through the admissions process.
 
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