Now I want to the rest of the joke. We jews have a joke which is fundamentally true. Put two jews in a room and you get three opinions. I dont know if the original comment was to imply that the three Jews or the three Muslims would be more comfortable being among themselves regardless of if they were an officer or enlist. Cant tell you if that is true for Muslims or not, but I can honestly say that wouldnt be true for people who are jewish.
Fraternization Policy?
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My son will deploy as a 4 person CA Team, one Captain (DS) and three enlisted E6 and above for a minimum of 6 months.. They will be deployed to an area that has no other military presence and will rarely if ever wear uniforms. I'm sure the level of fraternization will be different for them while still maintaining a command structure.
My point is that there will always be circumstances that cause grey areas within the rules but overall it will be something that is always kept in mind. Once back to the states I have no doubt things will return to a more normal routine.
My point is that there will always be circumstances that cause grey areas within the rules but overall it will be something that is always kept in mind. Once back to the states I have no doubt things will return to a more normal routine.
My experience is from the dark ages but back then it would have been just as you described for the USCG.
Oh yeah, had some of these gray areas Working in the Middle East in plain clothes. Definitely first names. It was me and a Gunny for months on end doing that. First names always. The minute we stepped back in uniform and a base, right back to the norm. It’s operational security. Plus it was a SNCO, they know how things work. We were deployed with a 100 Marine det for about a year. We rotated Marines on overnight trips for R&R in some of the local cities. Always first names, no haircuts for that week or two. Heck I had to learn the Marines first names. Minute we stepped back on base, back to the norm. Never an issue or correcting a Marine.
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Ha! Funny you mentioned that. To me, their first name was always Corporal, Sergeant, whatever. Always threw me for a loop when they got promoted - it was like they had changed their first name and always tripped me up for a period afterwards.
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Seriously? ANY GROUP, be it gender, religious, sports or other special interest has the potential to form its own "inner group" within the larger organization. Just like, if the Commanding Officer or Admiral likes to golf and always goes out with the same set of Junior Officers and maybe a chief or two, a certain level of familiarity can develop where the senior watches out or otherwise provides help for the juniors and non-members of the group are likely to note with a subsequent effect on morale, good order and discipline. I'm saying that it WILL happen between a religious, gender or other minority, just that it COULD happen.
And what have you learned or concluded?
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Still happens or "Laws from older times"?
I understand your point, but I dont think comparing 3 members of any religion to three women makes any sense. I am not saying that 3 women would automatically form a little group but I have to imagine they would be supportive of each other. On the other hand, if you think three members of a minority religion could form a inner group, by that logic, those members would have ample reason to think that the majority religion on the boat would form a large inner group that would exclude them. Logically no one with the same hobbies should be allowed to serve together because their could be favoritism down the road
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Late to the party here; 2013 grad from USCGA.
My second ship (where I was OPS) I was in the situation described. There were only three JOs myself and 2 ENS. One of the ENS was the only female member of the wardroom. While there were many female enlisted on the ship; Good Order and Discipline naturally dictated that she not be friends with them. Friendly, cordial and professional? Yes.
So she was friends with the other JO. She made friends outside of work, and she turned out to be one of the best ENS I have had the pleasure to work with.
You adapt to your situation and you overcome. That's the name of the game.