Do all 10 kids on the slate need to be 3Q before appointments made?

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So hypothetical question as my dad (retired Navy but has dozens of current Naval buddies in Florida who chimed in of course) thinks that appontment for a MOC slate will not be given until all 10 candidates on said MOC slate are 3Q with no waivers or anything else outstanding. That way USNA can make a decision based on all factors. If so, I suppose that means even if our kids had all their stuff in early and met all the qualifications and had nomination, they would have to wait perhaps months, such as until April 15th, until the other kids on their slate finished up DoDMerb waiver etc.

Anyone on this forum know the story with this?
 
This is a very interesting theory. I never thought of it, but it would make a lot of sense if it is true
 
Not everyone on a slate may be 3Q. Some may not get medical waivers and other may never pass the CFA or qualify scholastically. USNA will make a determination at really any point as there are so many factors involved. Who ultimately gets charged to a slate could change several times throughout the admissions process.
 
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Great question, we were wondering also! Waiting for waivers seems excessive, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
If someone is the winner of a slate and waiting on a waiver USNA can issue an LOA. It’s usually why you see one later in the admissions cycle.
 
NavyHoops said:
If someone is the winner of a slate and waiting on a waiver USNA can issue an LOA. It’s usually why you see one later in the admissions cycle.
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If there is a winner of a slate and waiting on a waiver ... what does an LOA do?
 
If they don’t have a medical waiver granted yet, but USNA has declared them the winner, they can issue an LOA with a medical waiver as the contingency to be satisfied for an appointment.
 
NavyHoops said:
If they don’t have a medical waiver granted yet, but USNA has declared them the winner, they can issue an LOA with a medical waiver as the contingency to be satisfied for an appointment.
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But I’m not sure what that gets them.

But when I was in the phone with admissions ... this makes sense. She said my son got an early LOA. But didn’t explain it. I thought she was wrong because he received his LOA late - December 19.

His MOC signed his nomination on December 1. He was recommended by the committee as the first choice - though I don’t think he was a principal.

He was DQed for eyes on December 28.

Why give an LOA in your example ... rather than just wait and see?
 
It gives the candidate confidence that USNA wants them, but still need to resolve some medical issues. Last year or the year before we had a candidate on this forum who posted throughout their process. They received a nom and got their LOA in Feb or March. December isn’t really a late LOA to be honest. They did not receive their medical waiver until mid-May timeframe. USNA wanted them, but their waiver was tricky or something. Sometimes a candidate gets injured and needs a few more months of recovery to evaluate for a waiver, maybe their remedial is taking awhile, or maybe it’s just tricky. There are a million factors that could go into all this.
 
I perceive myself to be a strong candidate, however there is nothing really “exemplary” in my file that would warrant an LOA.

My congressman submitted his slate before Christmas. I received an LOA before Christmas. I also have a pending medical waiver.

I assume that I won my slate but my pending medical qualification precludes an offer of appointment. I am in the exact same situation that NavyHoops describes.
 
One thing about being on this board is there is no predictor of who gets LOAs. The bottom line is what happens in admissions is behind closed doors and we can only speculate. We see patterns each year on the board and as much as we see them, there are many items that we just sort of throw up our arms and have no clue. Bottom line, USNA saw something in you that warranted an LOA, congrats. If you get one, great. If not, don’t worry. Most don’t. No one cares once you show up on I Day. No one will talk about them once you become a Mid.

Skipper in your case... you have an LOA and a nom. It doesn’t matter where you fall on the slate. You could be charged there or a few other spots. Eventually you can inquiry once you get to USNA.
 
Skipper07 said:
I perceive myself to be a strong candidate, however there is nothing really “exemplary” in my file that would warrant an LOA.

My congressman submitted his slate before Christmas. I received an LOA before Christmas. I also have a pending medical waiver.

I assume that I won my slate but my pending medical qualification precludes an offer of appointment. I am in the exact same situation that NavyHoops describes.
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That’s awesome. Congrats.
 
NavyHoops said:
One thing about being on this board is there is no predictor of who gets LOAs. The bottom line is what happens in admissions is behind closed doors and we can only speculate. We see patterns each year on the board and as much as we see them, there are many items that we just sort of throw up our arms and have no clue. Bottom line, USNA saw something in you that warranted an LOA, congrats. If you get one, great. If not, don’t worry. Most don’t. No one cares once you show up on I Day. No one will talk about them once you become a Mid.

Skipper in your case... you have an LOA and a nom. It doesn’t matter where you fall on the slate. You could be charged there or a few other spots. Eventually you can inquiry once you get to USNA.
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He is in same spot as my DS. LOA, nom, in need of waiver.

Hopefully they grant all the waivers. :)
 
To answer your question, admissions will wait until the application period closes and review all applicants with a nomination. They will not all necessarily be 3Q, but on a competitive slate they will wait until all applicants have completed the application. If the slate winner needs a medical waiver, that may delay the process and they may issue an LOA with a date to have the medical issue resolved. Also, only candidates with a reasonable chance of winning a slate or coming off the NWL will be evaluated for a waiver. A applicant sitting at #8 on their slate will probably not get a waiver. Keep in mind, that their are many moving pieces, admissions knows where you sit on your slate and has a pretty good idea of your chances before nomination or medical is completed. Also remember that you do not need to win the slate if you have an LOA; you just need a nomination.
 
So what does it mean if a candidate was issued a medical waiver months ago but was never awarded a LOA? Why would admissions believe a candidate is worthy of a waiver but not a LOA?
 
It means admissions found your record competitive, which is a good thing. I know everyone is on pins and needles right now waiting and wants answers, but we don’t have them all. Admissions is very closed door on what is released and why they make their decisions.
 
Overwhelmed said:
So what does it mean if a candidate was issued a medical waiver months ago but was never awarded a LOA? Why would admissions believe a candidate is worthy of a waiver but not a LOA?
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You may be confusing competitive on your slate and someone the academy really wants. Most individuals offered admission have competitive files, but very few will receive LOAs. There are many things happening in parallel through the process; #1 Application, #2 CFA, #3 medical, #4 Nominations. Towards the end of the process, they all come together to determine 3Q with a nomination and then slates are resolved. The goal is to have all these steps completed by the end of the application window so the class can start to go together in February and March. While there are always a few exceptions, most of the class is notified in this window.

The overall process is fairly objective, candidates are ranked and the highest WCS on a slate gets an offer. Applicants are ranked from day one and admissions has a pretty good idea if they have a chance pretty early. Waivers are usually requested for competitive candidates but the process needs to play out. Your DD could have been #1 is his district in October and had a waiver requested. Other candidates could have overtaken him by February and he may not get an offer.
 
Overwhelmed said:
So what does it mean if a candidate was issued a medical waiver months ago but was never awarded a LOA? Why would admissions believe a candidate is worthy of a waiver but not a LOA?
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You are way overthinking this....there are so many variables involved, including what the waiver is for (some waivers are virtually automatic, some are a long shot), how outstanding a candidate is, and demographics like region , competition in the MOC district, etc. The short line is there is probably no correlation between being "worthy of a waiver" and an LOA.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
You are way overthinking this....there are so many variables involved, including what the waiver is for (some waivers are virtually automatic, some are a long shot), how outstanding a candidate is, and demographics like region , competition in the MOC district, etc. The short line is there is probably no correlation between being "worthy of a waiver" and an LOA.
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That may be the case. However, I find it very confusing since USNA's website states " If you have a disqualifying condition, you will be automatically considered for a waiver if/when you receive a Conditional Offer of Appointment."
 
Overwhelmed said:
Old Navy BGO said:
You are way overthinking this....there are so many variables involved, including what the waiver is for (some waivers are virtually automatic, some are a long shot), how outstanding a candidate is, and demographics like region , competition in the MOC district, etc. The short line is there is probably no correlation between being "worthy of a waiver" and an LOA.
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That may be the case. However, I find it very confusing since USNA's website states " If you have a disqualifying condition, you will be automatically considered for a waiver if/when you receive a Conditional Offer of Appointment."
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Were you given a real waiver or was there remedial and a doctor reviewed it and changed it to qualified?
 
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