My DD received nom from 1st term MOC in his first year. She figured out by speaking with the other nominees that 4 other kids had received their noms from him thus filling his limit of 5. But through our contact with the local parent's club, we learned of 3 current cadets who received nom from prior MOC. This evidence makes cloudy the fact that each congressional office is allowed 5 at USAFA at one time. It also furthers my belief that if USAFA wants a candidate, they will find a way to get them and we don't really know how it happens.The nominations are tied to the district, not the individual MOC so there is no break in the process.
You clearly do not understand nominations. You are correct that a MOC can have 5 folks charged to them at an academy. They may nominate up to 10 people to fill a single slot. So based on your comment the MOC nominsated a slate of 5 candidates, including your daughter, to fill a SINGLE slot which will be charged to him or her, and then become part of their 5 at an academy.My DD received nom from 1st term MOC in his first year. She figured out by speaking with the other nominees that 4 other kids had received their noms from him thus filling his limit of 5. But through our contact with the local parent's club, we learned of 3 current cadets who received nom from prior MOC. This evidence makes cloudy the fact that each congressional office is allowed 5 at USAFA at one time. It also furthers my belief that if USAFA wants a candidate, they will find a way to get them and we don't really know how it happens.The nominations are tied to the district, not the individual MOC so there is no break in the process.
You clearly do not understand nominations. You are correct that a MOC can have 5 folks charged to them at an academy. They may nominate up to 10 people to fill a single slot. So based on your comment the MOC nominsated a slate of 5 candidates, including your daughter, to fill a SINGLE slot which will be charged to him or her, and then become part of their 5 at an academy.My DD received nom from 1st term MOC in his first year. She figured out by speaking with the other nominees that 4 other kids had received their noms from him thus filling his limit of 5. But through our contact with the local parent's club, we learned of 3 current cadets who received nom from prior MOC. This evidence makes cloudy the fact that each congressional office is allowed 5 at USAFA at one time. It also furthers my belief that if USAFA wants a candidate, they will find a way to get them and we don't really know how it happens.The nominations are tied to the district, not the individual MOC so there is no break in the process.
I kind of messed up the original post. I was wondering if there are some publicly available statistics that show how many appointments and nominations are from each district in the nation for each given year. I have a theory that I would like to graph and research, and without these statistics, it will probably just remain a theory.
I kind of messed up the original post. I was wondering if there are some publicly available statistics that show how many appointments and nominations are from each district in the nation for each given year. I have a theory that I would like to graph and research, and without these statistics, it will probably just remain a theory.
I do not see how you could graph this at all. There are several MoCs that never submit slates. There are times that an MoC will not complete their term (died/resign) and a special election occurs. I recall yrs ago in NJ. Gov Christie appointed a Sen. and announced a special election. The appointee lost, and Corey Booker won. Meanwhile because of the SAs the appointee still went forward. In the end they decided 5 would come from their list and 5 from Bookers
Or even between nominated and appointed, which is what I was getting at. But you are correct as well, in that someone on a MOCs slate can be appointed but not necessarily charged to the MOC.Kinnem is correct. There is a difference between being appointed and charged.
But then it's meaningless if what you are trying to prove is related to what happens with lame duck congressmen.I kind of messed up the original post. I was wondering if there are some publicly available statistics that show how many appointments and nominations are from each district in the nation for each given year. I have a theory that I would like to graph and research, and without these statistics, it will probably just remain a theory.
I do not see how you could graph this at all. There are several MoCs that never submit slates. There are times that an MoC will not complete their term (died/resign) and a special election occurs. I recall yrs ago in NJ. Gov Christie appointed a Sen. and announced a special election. The appointee lost, and Corey Booker won. Meanwhile because of the SAs the appointee still went forward. In the end they decided 5 would come from their list and 5 from Bookers
I think you can do it. Nominations and appointments by district. With the understanding that that the appointments aren’t related to who the appointment was charged to.
But then it's meaningless if what you are trying to prove is related to what happens with lame duck congressmen.I kind of messed up the original post. I was wondering if there are some publicly available statistics that show how many appointments and nominations are from each district in the nation for each given year. I have a theory that I would like to graph and research, and without these statistics, it will probably just remain a theory.
I do not see how you could graph this at all. There are several MoCs that never submit slates. There are times that an MoC will not complete their term (died/resign) and a special election occurs. I recall yrs ago in NJ. Gov Christie appointed a Sen. and announced a special election. The appointee lost, and Corey Booker won. Meanwhile because of the SAs the appointee still went forward. In the end they decided 5 would come from their list and 5 from Bookers
I think you can do it. Nominations and appointments by district. With the understanding that that the appointments aren’t related to who the appointment was charged to.
Thanks for the advice. Putting my request into our former MOC was the wrong person to ask since it did not apply to their office. Maybe sometime when I get a little free time I will try filling out some FOIA requests to USAFA liaison office at the Pentagon. Good to know!One word... FOIA... but you need to know what to ask for.
My apologies for not being clear. Poor word choice on my part. I'll try again. My DD is a C4C. She spoke to other USAFA C4Cs who are from our congressional district, and they determined they all received their noms from the same MOC, not senator or VP or pres or other. Then I learned from other parents that their C3Cs and C2Cs received their noms from the MOC who retired from our district. This means there are currently at least 8 cadets at USAFA who received noms from our congressional office. 3 from the guy who retired and 5 from the current MOC. Hence my conclusion (opinion) that USAFA will find a way to keep applicants they want, regardless of how many are already there from a given congressional district. If I'm still wrong about this, I welcome correction. Thank you.You clearly do not understand nominations. You are correct that a MOC can have 5 folks charged to them at an academy. They may nominate up to 10 people to fill a single slot. So based on your comment the MOC nominsated a slate of 5 candidates, including your daughter, to fill a SINGLE slot which will be charged to him or her, and then become part of their 5 at an academy.My DD received nom from 1st term MOC in his first year. She figured out by speaking with the other nominees that 4 other kids had received their noms from him thus filling his limit of 5. But through our contact with the local parent's club, we learned of 3 current cadets who received nom from prior MOC. This evidence makes cloudy the fact that each congressional office is allowed 5 at USAFA at one time. It also furthers my belief that if USAFA wants a candidate, they will find a way to get them and we don't really know how it happens.The nominations are tied to the district, not the individual MOC so there is no break in the process.
Does anyone know if lame duck congressmen have as many possible nominations as returning congressmen. Also, is there any USAFA statistics on nominations by lame duck congressmen vs. returning congressmen.
You have to understand charging and it appears you don't get it.publicly available statistics that show how many appointments and nominations are from each district in the nation for each given year.
I probably did not have a really good feel for the system, but the comments above have been sure to add to my understanding, when I get a chance to really read them and possibly absorb them. At the end of 2017, our congressman was not up for election, he decided to retire, additionally our district redistricted, so that makes it even more blurry. When we called last year, we got no feedback from the MOC office. We just wanted to know if someone from our district got appointed, kind of curious as much as anything. So when they said basically, bug off, we don't need to give you that information, I started speculating or theorizing.....that a congressman that is retiring perhaps may not get as many appointments as a congressman that will be carrying some fiscal authority over the DOD in the near future. That's it, it may be just conspiracy theory, but I thought there may be some statistical significance. It doesn't really matter I guess, just my curiosity as much as anything.Back on topic.
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I don't understand your goal here.
Does anyone know if lame duck congressmen have as many possible nominations as returning congressmen. Also, is there any USAFA statistics on nominations by lame duck congressmen vs. returning congressmen.You have to understand charging and it appears you don't get it.publicly available statistics that show how many appointments and nominations are from each district in the nation for each given year.
It really is very simple.
Every MoC can only have 5 charges. The charges are tied to the office, not the person. A lame duck will not know they are lame until Nov., but for SA noms. most applications are due no later than 10/31...before they lose the election. The new MoC will not take oath of office until the 1st week of Jan. Noms are due no later than 1/31. The new MoC has so much going on transitioning that submitting a slate is 999 out of 1000 things that need to be done. No offense, but they would be relieved that this was done by the lame duck.
~ Lame duck might have 2 openings, and they may decide that this yr they will only submit 1 slate, leaving that 2 slates for the incoming MoC.
Nomination charging are not going to change. It is by law. No MOC can have more than 5 charged.
Now if you really want to look statistically at something where the FOIA will not help impo, It is from the national pool list. IE VA, CA. CO. TX, FL, NY are very competitive. The MoCs talk, but like braken stated there are many that only had that 1 MoC, yet, all got appointed.
~ Why?
~~ Simple. SAs start geo-centric and work their way out. A candidate from New Hampshire (3 noms) with a lower WCS than a candidate from MD (1 nom) may get an appointment 1st bc they had 3 tries before they hit the national pool, whereas the MD candidate had 1. However, in the end of the day because that candidate had a high score on the WCS, he came off the pool.
If your theory is that the lame duck does not submit, than as a long time poster I would say your theory is a bust.