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Shame on the adults here chewing out cadets and telling them to 'Buck Up'.

Isolation is extremely difficult, of course they are struggling. How about offering compassion and ideas to help them cope? Yes, this is the military. It's also the worst pandemic in 100 years. They are kids and scared. They deserve leadership from us.

You want better? Do better.
 
Right, a couple people dropping from '24 this year is more than have dropped from '23...

We lost quite a bit more over swab summer though, which would explain why we've lost fewer during the school year than '24.
That makes sense. I believe '24 only had 9 leave during swab summer, and 2 of those were medically related.
 
2 at USNA, and one at a *regular* college mom here. It IS tough all over. EVERY academic institution is struggling with how to manage this, and keep morale up. And also teach/train. And be responsible to the community where they are situated, following state and CDC guidelines. I’ll include a screen shot of a post from my regular college group. The struggle is EVERYWHERE!! Kids at my regular college students school are sitting in dorms, alone, having cold and sub par food delivered to their rooms. No live classes. No roommates (bc many have left to go home). No interaction with others. And they are still paying full tuition, non refundable dorm and dining fees. ‘Illegal’ gathering getting busted, and kids expelled bc if this.

I get it. And as a mom, the WORST thing for me personally is when my kiddos are unhappy/struggling. So it’s painful for me personally to be coming up on the ONE YEAR mark of this historical pandemic. And all the loss. So much loss. For my kids.

There is no way I would have the grit needed to get through this away from home. Y’all are hero's in my eyes. What my own focus on, is EVERYONE is doing the best that they can. Absolutely everyone. No one out there has a long term goal of making people more miserable than they already are. And what I would say to people complaining, is “how would YOU do this?” What would you do, within all the constrains/rules/regulations required of the decision makers? Many constraints you probably don’t know about. How would you make everything amazing? It’s impossible. There are no winners.

As far as how present day situation, is not a reflection in YouTube and recruiting brochures? It’s a pandemic. Of course it’s not. Presently. BUT, as already pointed out, it will be again. Sooner rather than later. Every day we are closer. Maybe y’all don’t follow current events as much, but VAX is ramping up. Whatever is being said about summers and trainings is a best guess at this point, but if there is a way, they will happen. Bc the officer training pipeline must be continued.

There is an ROTC thread currently going on the forums inquiring if kids are making their school choice selections based upon schools that are live or not, with people or not in a dorm room. An interesting read. Kids are selecting based upon being on campus, with others. So, while your cramped quarters may be an annoyance to you, it’s desirable to others. At least you are with friends, vs alone. ‘Grass is greener’ kind of thing. I get it, a person can’t know what they don’t know. But I promise it’s not all puppies and unicorns other places. That isn’t to diminish your own ‘suck’, but to point out it ‘sucks’ everywhere.

‘Hang in there’ seems so cliche. But sometimes? It’s all we can do. Fake it til you make it kind of thing. Is it asking a lot? Yes. But that’s where we are presently. Y’all are already at the 1 month in mark. Practice what you learned over this last summer, about getting through one more day. Bc those quickly add up to another week gone, and that turns into a month. And if you are struggling...seek help. No shame in that. At all. Chaplains are amazing resources. One of my own visited with them. And they can help with anything. They have superpowers!! And are available for you or your family, if they are concerned about you (obviously they won’t betray confidence). Also your mates. And it’s true, but everyone will make it through. There will be those that drop out. And that’s fine. No shame at all in realizing your own limitations.

Lastly, as I’ve suggested to my own, stay off the social media sites that are negative. Just turn them off for a bit. It’s just not healthy to pile more and more mental junk, on to your already big pile of mental junk. Y’all are already in enough negativity, drowning yourself in more misery only exasperates your mental state. “Misery loves company” kind of thing.

Someday this will all be just a story. A memory. That you revisit with your classmates, and impress your grandkids with (or try too 🙄😂). The pain will diminish, and only the extraordinary thing that ‘you survived a year of Covid’ will remain. You will tell these stories with a slight grin on your face, proud of your ability to get through it. A knowing nod to others that ‘embraced the suck’, too. And share your “back in my day” stories to the younger crowd, complaining about their own present day challenges. Someday all this will be JUST a memory...

Hang in there, and get through another day. Whatever that looks like! We are all rooting for y’all!!
 
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Shame on the adults here chewing out cadets and telling them to 'Buck Up'.

Isolation is extremely difficult, of course they are struggling. How about offering compassion and ideas to help them cope? Yes, this is the military. It's also the worst pandemic in 100 years. They are kids and scared. They deserve leadership from us.

You want better? Do better.
I took an exception to cadets complaining that many have COVID and are being quarantined and also complaining about the lack of liberty.

If they cannot see how those two issues are diametrically opposed then I am at a loss. Everyone is struggling with isolation, however the academy has multiple resources to help as I mentioned in a previous post.

To post nonsensical complaints on this forum with the rationale that they are doing so as some sort of Public Service announcement for future cadets is simply BS. To post such comments and then delete them is double BS.

If anyone is mentally struggling at the academy then I would urge them to talk to their chain of command, chaplain, sports coach or anyone there in a role of authority. The help will be forthcoming.

Posting on this forum that you are struggling may result in some folk respond “There, there it will be alright” but that won’t change things and won’t really help. Talking to someone at the academy has a far better chance of helping you.
 
It is a difficult time. Solutions need to be individual to circumstances. Our oldest son is at large flagship university. Meals in rooms, single dorms, online classes, and whisked away to isolation housing in an hour if contact traced. (With no outside access for two weeks!) Yet, experiences at smaller private regional schools are not that different from typical years (with exception of masks, social distancing.) My son is better than me about finding the positive in his situation. The moment is ours to define.
 
Shame on the adults here chewing out cadets and telling them to 'Buck Up'.

Isolation is extremely difficult, of course they are struggling. How about offering compassion and ideas to help them cope? Yes, this is the military. It's also the worst pandemic in 100 years. They are kids and scared. They deserve leadership from us.

You want better? Do better.

Please read carefully, as no "kids" were "chewed out" by anything that was said.

At no time did anyone fail to recognize the issues you raised. As was said earlier:

To post nonsensical complaints on this forum with the rationale that they are doing so as some sort of Public Service announcement for future cadets is simply BS. To post such comments and then delete them is double BS.

Children, college students and adults all over the world are dealing with the SAME issues and are finding a way to adapt, survive and thrive.

This is no different.
 
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This has been a very interesting thread to read as the mother of hopeful, future cadet.

A bit of perspective: My son is a USCGA applicant for the class of 2025 and he's attending a top military high school as a boarding student. They've been locked down all first semester and now second semester, and all the proper COVID protocols are in place and enforced. We had the option to keep him home and online (this is high school, after all) but he's committed having a senior year with his friends on campus, and he's battalion staff there, so the leadership role is important, even though it is FAR from ideal. It is absolutely mimicking life of his older friends at academies, however. As a parent, it's sure training for us both for the life to come if he goes to USCGA. In the end, he's having a high school experience his kids in public school aren't having, as in our area the HS seniors are all still home and online and missing all their friends.

I read him some of these comments about how "awful" things are at USCGA and his reaction was funny.

"They got to go off campus at all? God, the Coast Guard was so nice..."

;-)

Hang in there, cadets. It's no better in the "real world" and there are still plenty of students out there happy to join your masked-and-sanitized ranks.
 
A good perspective, and I think it is needed, but at the end of the day you're not here in the barracks and feel the defeat and lack of hope running rampant. I believe senior leadership is working themselves to the bone to try to help us and keep this school running. And while we will complain, there are those of us who are working hard to provide morale. The problem is at morale and mental health are not the same thing. I don't care if people tell us to suck it up and that they've been through worse, they probably have. It still doesn't invalidate our opinions and how we will react to this situation. The strain of the last year or covid policies are starting to show on the corps and everyone is affected. I'm not asking for your sympathy, just providing information.
You are speaking for yourself, and only yourself. Don't profess to speak for the entire corp of cadets, because you don't. Sure it sucks, just like it sucks everywhere. Buck up and deal with it, or go someplace you think will make you happier, but keep in mind it probably sucks there, too. Posting a "review" online of the current situation at USCGA , which is temporary, in an attempt to discredit the institution you signed up for seems... strange. You have a chain of command - if you have something constructive to say or ideas to make it better, I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

Or grab your snowboard or lunch tray and go enjoy the snow with the rest of the Corp. For those that don't know, droves of cadets were spontaneously enjoying the Nor'easter yesterday by sledding, snowboarding and skiing on the campus hills. Not quite the dejected, clinically depressed group some would have us believe they are.

By the way, I tried to link to @Col Smith 's posts as well, but can't since s/he deleted them. Many thanks to @TheRightStuff for preserving them.
 
I had a blast skiing yeah, but what was honestly more fun was watching the angry emails roll in about how we needed to cut it out.

People on this forum want to look at the corps from the outside as a bunch of perfect patriot kaydets who never complain and love being at the Academy. I think if people spent about 30 minutes in Chase Hall today, that bubble would burst immediately.

In reality the Corps is one of the most cynical, depressed, complainy group of people to grace this fine earth... and it's freaking awesome.

That doesn't mean we regret coming here, or we aren't excited to serve our country. It does mean we are normal college students though.

Some of our true selves slipped out during this discussion, and I'd like to apologize on behalf of us. In the future we will keep our perfect kaydet masks on when we speak on this forum.

Please excuse me now while I go pull myself up by my bootraps and toughen it out in silence like a good kaydet.
 
I had a blast skiing yeah, but what was honestly more fun was watching the angry emails roll in about how we needed to cut it out.

People on this forum want to look at the corps from the outside as a bunch of perfect patriot kaydets who never complain and love being at the Academy. I think if people spent about 30 minutes in Chase Hall today, that bubble would burst immediately.

In reality the Corps is one of the most cynical, depressed, complainy group of people to grace this fine earth... and it's freaking awesome.

That doesn't mean we regret coming here, or we aren't excited to serve our country. It does mean we are normal college students though.

Some of our true selves slipped out during this discussion, and I'd like to apologize on behalf of us. In the future we will keep our perfect kaydet masks on when we speak on this forum.

Please excuse me now while I go pull myself up by my bootraps and toughen it out in silence like a good kaydet.

You will probably delete your post captured above but I just wanted to say thanks for confirming what many of us suspected about you.
 
This is my kind of discussion. How did I miss it?
Feel free to wade in! But then you probably can’t because the ‘two cadets’ posting their ‘public service announcements’ on this thread usually delete them within minutes.
 
Real question....isn’t that what Jodel, and all those meme IG and Twitter accounts are for?

The SAF isn’t the right place. That’s the big picture point. Read the mission (that people have to agree to) of the SAF. You are just in the wrong place is all.
 
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Feel free to wade in! But then you probably can’t because the ‘two cadets’ posting their ‘public service announcements’ on this thread usually delete them within minutes.
You lack sound reasoning skills, you are immature and there is an ulterior motive to you posting complaints on this forum.
Ah yes my ulterior motive... I'm actually a top secret agent from USMMA trying to drive kids to go there instead! Blasts!!! You caught me!!!

'Two Cadets' I presume you think I'm Kaydet2023 and that this is an alt account. Because this would be the best possible alias for an alt right? Something that also has Kaydet in it?

Not sure what you're referring to being deleted, unless it's the original post from col smith... who definitely isn't a cadet...
 
Ah yes my ulterior motive... I'm actually a top secret agent from USMMA trying to drive kids to go there instead! Blasts!!! You caught me!!!

'Two Cadets' I presume you think I'm Kaydet2023 and that this is an alt account. Because this would be the best possible alias for an alt right? Something that also has Kaydet in it?

Not sure what you're referring to being deleted, unless it's the original post from col smith... who definitely isn't a cadet...
No you are just attention seeking. If you had real concerns about mental health or the way things are being managed at USCGA you would approach it via a completely different route.
 
Ah yes my ulterior motive... I'm actually a top secret agent from USMMA trying to drive kids to go there instead! Blasts!!! You caught me!!!

'Two Cadets' I presume you think I'm Kaydet2023 and that this is an alt account. Because this would be the best possible alias for an alt right? Something that also has Kaydet in it?

Not sure what you're referring to being deleted, unless it's the original post from col smith... who definitely isn't a cadet...
If my son had the same issues, I would first tell him to, in this order: 1. Get off social media, including service academy forums. You are just winding people up, including yourself. 2. Seek whatever counseling is available at USCGA. 3. Decide soon whether or not the USCGA is really your calling.

4. Good Luck. I hope everything works out and you make the right decisions for you.
 
Real question....isn’t that what Jodel, and all those meme IG and Twitter accounts are for?

The SAF isn’t the right place. That’s the big picture point. Read the mission (that people have to agree to) of the SAF. You are just in the wrong place is all.
This is the correct answer here. A professional in the armed services of their nation shouldn't be complaining to the general public. Yes, it's a right of passage to complain in the military, it's just one of the things we do. But we circle up and do it to each other. Yes, this is a forum where a lot of people share in a similar experience and not, like, the press, or something, but I'm honestly not sure if that's better or worse. I'm actually just at a loss for words right now.

@KaydetOfFuturePast Did you really make an account to tell everyone on this forum how "awesome" it is that we're "one of the most cynical, depressed, complainy" groups? Nobody expects that we're always perfect, and I think every reasonable person on here know that there's complaints and that we don't always love being at the Academy all the time. I was at a regular college before here, and I miss it all the time, and I write about it relatively frequently here. But you know what they're doing right now? Paying 50k this year to basically watch YouTube videos so that at the end of it they can get a piece of paper.

At least we're with our friends. We have a gym to work out in, which is better than a lot have right now. We aren't restricted to ship for entire months long patrols like some of our shipmates out in the fleet are. Even as college students, we're not struggling for money for the most part thanks to our paychecks, and we certainly aren't wondering where we'll get our next hot meal or warm bed like a lot of the people we serve are today as a result of COVID. Try to find some positives.

It's also not a good practice to get into. You start this crap at a unit, you'll bring your whole division/wardroom/ship/whatever else down with you. When times get hard, your non-rates will look to you and their Chiefs for the example on what to think. Positivity spreads and it can be infectious. So next time you hear a bunch of people complaining or whatever else, try being a leader. Acknowledge that life is difficult right now, but try to appreciate what's good about it.

But you know what? Even if it IS the worst thing in the world, don't get on the internet and complain to thousands of strangers about how terrible your life is. It doesn't look good, and it serves no purpose except to lower the public's faith in the Coast Guard. Can't believe I have to say this.
 
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