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@mtnwing sorry to learn that the changing needs of the Air Force have impacted you and your family. I can understand why anyone would be upset with a sudden change in scholarship. It is an important message to share with applicants to remind them of the fine print of their offer. Events like this are rare and are often caused by the broader economic landscape of the country. A reduction in force has happened through the years and those who were prematurely eliminated from Active Duty certainly found themselves in an unexpected predicament of needing to find a new job. For the most part, events like this have not occured in the recent past. All to often here at SAF we choose to focus on the excitement of youth who are eager to serve our country. There are potential down sides and you have shared the experience with those here at SAF. I think that was your objective.

He is a great student in a non technical major that ended up having his scholarship reduced because of a change in force planning by the Air Force, he was relieved of any commitment to the AF, and should have no problem securing other funding to continue his education at Yale or any other institution of higher learning. The Air Force did not take his completed courses away from him. They did not eliminate his potential to get an education - he was going to college regardless of his ROTC scholarship. He is a tremendous person with a bright future. The path may not be as straightforward as he originally planned, but that is the story for many visitors to this site who aspire to ROTC or a Service Academy and are not selected. There is heartache in this process. There are ups and downs. This is certainly an unfortunate event but a challenge he is certainly going to get through. It stings - we get it.

Let's move on.
 
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PRBWJB said:
mtnwing - Sounds like you were taking the reins rather than your son. Maybe that is the problem. All I know is that there are no guarantees in life and we all need to be prepared for whatever comes our way.
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Apparently lying is also a privilege if you are AF. You show up in front of 350 parents and say it's a 4 year scholarship. No I didn't go to one class at High-technology High School in Lincroft. No I didn't take his 1570 SAT or perfect 800 on his math subject test. He did all of that himself assplant. But the AF did show up and say in front of 350 people that he had a 4 year scholarship. You are seriously the problem in this country. We need folks like you OUT of the military. You have to have honor and integrity and both of those are missing.
 
This thread has turned into a waste of time.

Is this kid and his family wondering how to afford another two years of college or just upset about the not being able to commission?

If this about being upset at military arbitrariness, misdirection and wastefulness, to which we can add two years of Yale tuition, they are wasting their time.

And it’s turning borderline obnoxious.

They should check in with enlisted personnel and their families, for whom the military is all they have.
 
shiner said:
@mtnwing sorry to learn that the changing needs of the Air Force have impacted you and your family. I can understand why anyone would be upset with a sudden change in scholarship. It is an important message to share with applicants to remind them of the fine print of their offer. Events like this are rare and are often caused by the broader economic landscape of the country. A reduction in force has happened through the years and those who were prematurely eliminated from Active Duty certainly found themselves in an unexpected predicament of needing to find a new job. For the most part, events like this have not occured in the recent past. All to often here at SAF we choose to focus on the excitement of youth who are eager to serve our country. There are potential down sides and you have shared the experience with those here at SAF. I think that was your objective.

He is a great student in a non technical major that ended up having his scholarship reduced because of a change in force planning by the Air Force, he was relieved of any commitment to the AF, and should have no problem securing other funding to continue his education at Yale or any other institution of higher learning. The Air Force did not take his completed courses away from him. They did not eliminate his potential to get an education - he was going to college regardless of his ROTC scholarship. He is a tremendous person with a bright future. The path may not be as straightforward as he originally planned, but that is the story for many visitors to this site who aspire to ROTC or a Service Academy and are not selected. There is heartache in this process. There are ups and downs. This is certainly an unfortunate event but a challenge he is certainly going to get through. It stings - we get it.

Let's move on.
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No they did that. He had a commitment for AF and they backed out. Are you in PR? When you show up at a high school and say he has a four year scholarship and flash a number to 350 parents were you just joking AF? You certainly didn't read the PR statement about fine print there. No you didn't. You messed with us instead.
 
cb7893 said:
This thread has turned into a waste of time.

Is this kid and his family wondering how to afford another two years of college or just upset about the not being able to commission?

If this about being upset at military arbitrariness, misdirection and wastefulness, to which we can add two years of Yale tuition, they are wasting their time.

And it’s turning borderline obnoxious.

They should check in with enlisted personnel and their families, for whom the military is all they have.
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why did they show up in front fo 350 people and say that he had a 4 year scholarship with no fine print? Can you help me as a parent understand how the AF does that to families? you're saying read find print. Shouldn't they show that before not after standing for the PR event?
 
Tex232 said:
Well at least they got two years of free college that they don’t have to recoup.
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except not everyone has a scholarship. So yes for those, the free money was worth their time. What about people like my son who was never on scholarship. That would have sucked big time if had been kicked out. Luckily he commissioned in 2018 when all you needed was a heartbeat to get in.
 
Humey said:
except not everyone has a scholarship. So yes for those, the free money was worth their time. What about people like my son who was never on scholarship. That would have sucked big time if had been kicked out. Luckily he commissioned in 2018 when all you needed was a heartbeat to get in.
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I have tremendous respect for all in the military including your son. Thank you for his service.
 
in all due respect. At the top of this thread -- I let parents know there were cuts. I told people even the best were being cut. Then I got attacked. That is f'd. You privileged folk that made it through on non covid are very disrespectful of the facts I presented. 10 got cut at yale. 11 got cut at Rutgers. They are good kids. Some how a few here have no respect for the youth that wanted to be like you. crazy town
 
mtnwing said:
Apparently lying is also a privilege if you are AF. You show up in front of 350 parents and say it's a 4 year scholarship. No I didn't go to one class at High-technology High School in Lincroft. No I didn't take his 1570 SAT or perfect 800 on his math subject test. He did all of that himself assplant. But the AF did show up and say in front of 350 people that he had a 4 year scholarship. You are seriously the problem in this country. We need folks like you OUT of the military. You have to have honor and integrity and both of those are missing.
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Being successful is more than just grades and test scores. I work with brilliant people who are a$$es! He's young, the doors are not closed forever.
 
mtnwing said:
in all due respect. At the top of this thread -- I let parents know there were cuts. I told people even the best were being cut. Then I got attacked. That is f'd. You privileged folk that made it through on non covid are very disrespectful of the facts I presented. 10 got cut at yale. 11 got cut at Rutgers. They are good kids. Some how a few here have no respect for the youth that wanted to be like you. crazy town
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If they were, in fact, "the best"....they wouldn't have been cut, would they?

Your definition of "best" does not match that of the USAF. May be painful for you to accept...but that's just the brutal truth of it.

In these (gotta say it) unprecedented times, your perception of reality is especially warped. All bets were off, once end-strength and retention issues came into play. Made more ROTC kids viable for the chopping block. Sucks...but truth.

AND....THE....CONTRACT....LAYS....THIS....ALL...OUT.
 
SOG-SA said:
If they were, in fact, "the best"....they wouldn't have been cut, would they?

Your definition of "best" does not match that of the USAF. May be painful for you to accept...but that's just the brutal truth of it.

In these (gotta say it) unprecedented times, your perception of reality is especially warped. All bets were off, once end-strength and retention issues came into play. Made more ROTC kids viable for the chopping block. Sucks...but truth.

AND....THE....CONTRACT....LAYS....THIS....ALL...OUT.
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Sorry - you made me think of his famous rant - "It states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void...."

 
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