Reapplying to USNA (after a turndown)

Should I submit my new USNA application package right away? No? Disagree, my advice is to open a new package ASAP, stay engaged with the RD (discretely, do not over indulge), recognizing CGO will not consider until after first semester grades it is still wise to have as much of your package done quickly so that in the final push, you do not get behind the power curve.

Does it matter what college I attend? Not really? Disagree. Although not required, consider that if your competition is in a "big name" school and your are not ... whom do you think will be more competitive?

Should/must I do NROTC? TOTALLY agree on all three points. Ask yourself...how would you think the board might respond to two candidates with similar composite scores - one W/ROTC, one W/O?? The prize should be winning a commission, not just attending a prestigious institution.
 
I am very fortunate and I have received a USNA color vision waiver and I now have an appointment. They are being granted this year! I am still under waiver review for the 4 year Naval ROTC scholarship.
Commando530- I am happy to see another color vision waiver!!! congrats. I hope that all is going well.

So- to follow up and provide some hope for those who apply a second time…

My son received a conditional appointment In March and received his medical waiver shortly after. He then received a fully qualified appointment and accepted. Plebe summer was challenging and the first academic semester is nearly over! He is doing well and is very happy/honored to have been given the opportunity to join the class of 25.

Some thoughts:

The needs of the service outweigh the ambitions of an individual applicant no matter how qualified the applicant is. The Navy simply does not have as many billets for restricted line officers. Hence, a Color vision waiver is a very scarce commodity. There is no guarantee you will get a waiver. But one thing is very certain, you will not get a waiver unless you try. Do not be deterred. I cannot say for certain but can only assume that demonstrated tenacity counts for something in your admissions evaluation. Tenacity is a very valuable attribute for any future Naval officer….

It probably helped that my DS had a full year of a challenging engineering major under his belt and had done very well. This demonstrates academic capabilities in a rigorous college program and reduces the risk/uncertainty when admissions is evaluating a candidate.

Participating in NROTC (even as a non-scholarship midshipman) made it possible for him to get a nomination and recommendation from his CO (in addition to his congressional nomination). Again- if admissions is evaluating a candidate there is probably value in an experienced officer providing a recommendation. Also NROTC provided him with experiences and training that made the plebe summer transition a little bit easier (still very challenging- but at least some material was already familiar).

“Don’t give up the ship” and remember to beat Army while you’re at it!
 
Tenacity had nothing to do with my son’s color blind waiver. He was dq’ed and USNA reviewed his file. Once dq’ed my son had nothing to do with their decision - there was no trying for the waiver.

Congrats to all who get the color blind waiver!
 
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I agree that tenacity can be helpful. Two caveats . . . tenacity alone isn't sufficient. You can apply over and over and over, but if you aren't successful and don't improve your package, so to speak, simply reapplying is unlikely to produce a different result. Second, agree with A1 that tenacity has no bearing on a medical waiver. Being an exceptionally strong candidate CAN make a difference but not always. Sometimes, the medical issue isn't waiverable no matter how great a candidate you are.
 
Gearing up for reapplication over here after my son was "turned down medically" because he did not get a waiver for (mild) colorblindness. I have been told anecdotally that the odds of getting a waiver for color blindness are better on a second attempt since you can potentially get to the front of the waiver line so to speak since physicals etc. are already completed. He is going to be attended a big ACC university this fall where he has been admitted to their well ranked mechanical engineering program with a scholarship, so as long as he keeps his grades up there he should be alright on the academic front. His SAT scores weren't a problem, but he feels like taking one more time to be a little more competitive wouldn't hurt. Any other advice from those who have successfully gotten a colorblind waiver?

Also, can his recommendations come from his high school English and Math teachers if he has just recently graduated?

Thanks!!!
 
Gearing up for reapplication over here after my son was "turned down medically" because he did not get a waiver for (mild) colorblindness. I have been told anecdotally that the odds of getting a waiver for color blindness are better on a second attempt since you can potentially get to the front of the waiver line so to speak since physicals etc. are already completed. He is going to be attended a big ACC university this fall where he has been admitted to their well ranked mechanical engineering program with a scholarship, so as long as he keeps his grades up there he should be alright on the academic front. His SAT scores weren't a problem, but he feels like taking one more time to be a little more competitive wouldn't hurt. Any other advice from those who have successfully gotten a colorblind waiver?

Also, can his recommendations come from his high school English and Math teachers if he has just recently graduated?

Thanks!!!
Your DS has a good handle on things with alternates in place.

If your son hasn’t done this already, I strongly recommend he contact Admissions to be absolutely clear on what warfare communities would be absolutely closed to him and what are the typical communities that are open to the tiny handful of appointees who receive the colorblind waiver. That waiver only allows these folks in the door, it does not mean the doors to pilot, surface warfare (ships), submarine warfare, SEALs, essentially the unrestricted line warfare communities, are open. Colorblind appointees usually receive a letter confirming this. Restricted communities such as cyber, intel, meteorological and other RL, and some staff communities such as Supply Corps, sometimes CEC (civil engineering) and others, will let USNA how many bodies they can take in the FY they graduate, which they won’t know until 1/C (senior) year in the fall. Marine ground (but not air) will also be open. USNA does its best to match mids’ preferences and USNA backgrounds with what’s available. If they receive one of the waivers, want to serve, want their commissioning path to be USNA, and cheerfully look forward to serving in one of the communities open to them, all is well.

If your DS isn’t aware, Admissions usually has a daily live chat hour. Look for the chat balloon on the Admissions web page. It tends to be noon EST. He should have his candidate number handy, in case the Admissions rep has to pull up his file.

Clarity on what would be open to him should re-application be successful, and a colorblind waiver received, is important.

Your DS can research re-applicant guidance on USNA.edu:
 
I don't know that getting a CB waiver the second time is any "easier." It's not about timing or being first in line. It's about there being only 10-12 slots per year for those who are CB and being competitive enough to get one of those slots. Keep in mind that USNA only pursues a medical waiver if they are going to make an offer of appointment (or are very likely to do so). It's "easier" to say he was turned down medically but, in reality, if CB was his only medical issue, it was likely that his record wasn't quite strong enough to snag one of the VERY FEW spots for those who are CB.

To be successful next year, he needs to do what every other candidate who reapplies must do -- make his entire package more competitive. Getting a CB waiver is 99% about being competitive enough for USNA to offer you an appointment. As noted, it's very tough for CB candidates to be appointed to sea-going SAs (USNA, USCGA and USMMA). Not impossible, but very difficult.
If it's your DS's dream, he should pursue it. Just be realistic about the long odds.

As for teacher recs, he can use his senior year math and English teacher recs or recs from profs in college. USNA prefers college prof recs b/c they speak to the candidate's performance in college. However, USNA recognizes that, at many colleges, freshman classes are huge lecture classes where it's difficult to make oneself known to the prof. If that's the case, h.s. senior teachers are ok.
 
Your DS has a good handle on things with alternates in place.

If your son hasn’t done this already, I strongly recommend he contact Admissions to be absolutely clear on what warfare communities would be absolutely closed to him and what are the typical communities that are open to the tiny handful of appointees who receive the colorblind waiver. That waiver only allows these folks in the door, it does not mean the doors to pilot, surface warfare (ships), submarine warfare, SEALs, essentially the unrestricted line warfare communities, are open. Colorblind appointees usually receive a letter confirming this. Restricted communities such as cyber, intel, meteorological and other RL, and some staff communities such as Supply Corps, sometimes CEC (civil engineering) and others, will let USNA how many bodies they can take in the FY they graduate, which they won’t know until 1/C (senior) year in the fall. Marine ground (but not air) will also be open. USNA does its best to match mids’ preferences and USNA backgrounds with what’s available. If they receive one of the waivers, want to serve, want their commissioning path to be USNA, and cheerfully look forward to serving in one of the communities open to them, all is well.

If your DS isn’t aware, Admissions usually has a daily live chat hour. Look for the chat balloon on the Admissions web page. It tends to be noon EST. He should have his candidate number handy, in case the Admissions rep has to pull up his file.

Clarity on what would be open to him should re-application be successful, and a colorblind waiver received, is important.

Your DS can research re-applicant guidance on USNA.edu:
Thanks so much! He did actually have a meeting with an admissions counselor on campus last summer after he was assigned a candidate number where the limitations on duties were laid out for him and is ok with those potentially being his options. He is a well rounded kid with lots of interests and speaks and writes two languages fluently with aspirations to learn another, so intel or similar seemed like it might be a possibility. Getting the waiver seems like the main objective at this juncture!
 
I don't know that getting a CB waiver the second time is any "easier." It's not about timing or being first in line. It's about there being only 10-12 slots per year for those who are CB and being competitive enough to get one of those slots. Keep in mind that USNA only pursues a medical waiver if they are going to make an offer of appointment (or are very likely to do so). It's "easier" to say he was turned down medically but, in reality, if CB was his only medical issue, it was likely that his record wasn't quite strong enough to snag one of the VERY FEW spots for those who are CB.

To be successful next year, he needs to do what every other candidate who reapplies must do -- make his entire package more competitive. Getting a CB waiver is 99% about being competitive enough for USNA to offer you an appointment. As noted, it's very tough for CB candidates to be appointed to sea-going SAs (USNA, USCGA and USMMA). Not impossible, but very difficult.
If it's your DS's dream, he should pursue it. Just be realistic about the long odds.

As for teacher recs, he can use his senior year math and English teacher recs or recs from profs in college. USNA prefers college prof recs b/c they speak to the candidate's performance in college. However, USNA recognizes that, at many colleges, freshman classes are huge lecture classes where it's difficult to make oneself known to the prof. If that's the case, h.s. senior teachers are ok.
Thanks so much for your input, especially about the teacher recs.

And, just in the interest of trying to ascertain how competitive his application was...USNA did pursue the waiver and DS got a formal, hand signed, letter in the mail this week from the lead admissions medical officer letting him know that the waiver couldn't be granted during the current application cycle (which seemed like a borderline consolation prize, lol). His portal update also specifically read "turned down medically", not just "turned down" (so it's not just our personal assessment that the cause was medical). Given the limited number of spots for CB waivers I do realize it is a matter of being the most competitive to get one, but under the circumstances would I be generally off track in thinking that he was pretty close or in the running for one?

Anyhow, he is also planning to apply to USMA and Air Force this time as well since they seem to have fewer restrictions for CB applicants. And worse case scenario...he has a scholarship to a great civilian school to fall back on!
 
I am still waiting on hearing back from USNA but in the assumption that I get a TWE, I have been thinking about my plan B and C. I have been greatly debating whether or not I should attend a UC for a year before reapplying or enlisting with either the Navy or Marine reserves and attending community college in the spring. Does the academy regard enlisted soldiers highly as reapplicants or would they rather see me go into a college and maintain good grades. Any comments or advice?
 
If you search on the USNA forum under "enlisted to USNA" or something similar, you'll see lots of posts on this topic.

The general consensus is that, if your desire is to become an officer, you should pursue college. There is a sticky on this forum on "reapplying" and there is also information on the USNA.edu website for reapplicants. Generally, you should attend a 4-year college unless you're financially unable to do so, in which case find the strongest CC in your area in terms of academic rigor.

You should NOT enlist in the USN or USMC as a path / means to becoming an officer. It happens, but it's rare and there is a lot beyond your control in the process. You SHOULD enlist if you want to serve in the military as an enlisted member.
 
His portal update also specifically read "turned down medically", not just "turned down" (so it's not just our personal assessment that the cause was medical
. Given the limited number of spots for CB waivers I do realize it is a matter of being the most competitive to get one, but under the circumstances would I be generally off track in thinking that he was pretty close or in the running for one?

A Candidate cannot receive an appointment unless medically qualified or a waiver granted -- in the case of Color Blind, all of the candidates are considered for a waiver, but only a limited few waivers are granted. Thus the designation as a medical turn down rather than a general turn down.

I don't really think that one can make the conclusion that a turn down for color blind means a Candidate is "close" or "in the running." No one except Admissions knows how a particular Candidate fits in the competitive ranking among other colorblind candidates, or among the MOC slate for that matter. On the other hand, I do think it is safe to say that anybody who receives the color blind waiver and is admitted is going to be a very strong candidate , as he/she has to be appointed above the other colorblind candidates. My conclusion and advice to colorblind candidates is that an already competitive process is even more competitive.
 
Below is information for those reapplying to USNA after being turned down. It also may be helpful to first time candidates who are currently in college.

PLEASE NOTE: While every attempt has been made to make this sticky accurate, the information below has not been reviewed, approved or endorsed by USNA.

You got the TWE this year and are considering reapplying for next year. Now what?


First, USNA looks favorably on those who reapply. They like the persistence and maturity of post h.s. candidates. About 1/3 of each entering class has a year or more of post h.s. education. However, as a reapplicant, you have to address your "weaknesses" from your original application or make your already stellar application even stronger. Submitting essentially the same packet is unlikely to produce a different result.

Second, contact USNA Admissions, preferably waiting until June or July, when things are a bit slower. Ask your Regional Director what specifically you can do to improve your package in the coming year. You may also want to talk to your BGO. Don't guess. Don't assume. If you don't know what held you back, you can't "fix" it and, until you do, your chances of admission don't increase. If you didn't get a nom, try contacting your MOC's SA rep and ask what you can do to improve.

Third, enroll at a 4-yr college -- not a community college unless this is all you can financially afford, in which case make sure USNA knows this is the reason. The college itself isn't all that important. Take the following courses -- calc, chemistry w/lab, English, history and, if possible physics. Get As or high Bs. I cannot emphasize this enough. Taking and doing well in the plebe courses demonstrates more than anything that you can handle the academic load at USNA. Take mostly other courses or get low Bs and below and it's unlikely your status with USNA will change.

Fourth, with respect to leadership, sports and ECAs . . . USNA realizes there are limits on what freshman can do, especially at large universities. That said, look for ways to make yourself stand out. For example, do something productive during the summer, such as getting a job or working at a non-profit. Once at college, find a small project (i.e., fundraiser) that you can lead or take a large role in leading. Play organized sports (intramurals, club sports, etc.). Your grades are still of PRIMARY importance so don't go so overboard with activities that your grades slip. But at the same time, try to do some things that show USNA you can handle academics AND the other stuff that USNA will throw at you.

Fifth, consider asking for a new BGO. The reason is that you want another BGO to say that you're great. Your current BGO is unlikely to change his/her opinion of you and a fresh perspective is always a good thing; if you liked your first BGO, you can always keep in contact and ask him/her to write another rec. That said, a great rec from another BGO helps. If you're assigned the same BGO, ask the Area Coordinator for someone else, maybe a BGO near your college. Note: there is no requirement to change BGOs and some successful reapplicants keep the same one. But, for the reasons stated above, having a second BGO can help you -- and may be logistically easier depending on the location of your college and your schedule.

Sixth, check with your RD about retaking SATs/ACTs. USNA considers standardized tests to be a predictor of college success. The better predictor is how well you actually do in college "plebe" courses. However, if your SATs were lower than 650V/700M, you probably should retake them because it might help. As noted, if in doubt, ask your RD.

Seventh, re-evaluate your CFA. Did you max out on every event? If not, there is room for improvement. USNA focuses on crunches (sit-ups), push-ups and the mile run but every event counts. While the CFA technically is pass/fail, an excellent score helps. This is particularly true if you’re not participating in college varsity sports and, as a freshman, it's quite likely you're not. So get with a coach or trainer, work on any events you didn't max, and retake it.

Should I take a "gap year" before I reapply? [NEW]

For anyone who doesn't know, a "gap year" is a year between high school senior and college freshman where young people . . . do something that doesn't involve attending school. Traveling is a common theme. As a general proposition, it might be great, but it's unlikely to help for USNA purposes and could actually hurt. The reasons are: (1) you're unlikely to improve your admissions package during gap year, (2) your knowledge of important subjects such as calc and chem will start to fade, (3) your teachers who need to recommend you might not remember as much about you. A gap year might be ok for USNA purposes if you do something really productive with your time. For example, if you spend a year teaching English in China. In that case you would have the benefits of leadership in teaching, living on your own, (hopefully) learning some Mandarin, and living / working in a very different society -- China. There are probably other examples, but not a lot. If you're considering a gap year, you might want to discuss your intended plans with your USNA Admissions officer and / or your BGO.

Should I enlist and try to gain entry into USNA from the enlisted ranks? [NEW]


The short answer is no. Do not enlist with the expectation that this will get you into USNA. Enlist because you want to be in the USN or USMC as an enlisted person. There are numerous threads on this topic that contain great and sage advice; I won't repeat it here. Please search under "enlisting" in this forum.

Should I write new essays?

Yes. You will have matured a lot in the year since you first applied and that increased maturity will inevitably show in your essay. It’s not that USNA will (necessarily) compare the old vs. new, but rather that you can help show how you have matured and improved through your essay.

Do I need to reapply for a nomination?

Yes. Nominations do not "carry over" from one year to the next. Thus you need to reapply to your MOCs, VP and any other sources for which you're eligible.

Should I submit my new USNA application package right away?

No. Things are different for college students/reapplicants than for h.s students. USNA won’t consider your application until first semester college grades are in, which is typically near the end of January. Thus, do NOT rush to submit your package to USNA – take the time to get in more ECAs, sports, better essays, etc. BTW, this does not apply to MOC deadlines, which typically are the same for all applicants.

Does it matter what college I attend?

Not really, provided it’s a 4-yr college. USNA recognizes that people may need/want to attend certain colleges for various reasons, including financial. Obviously, attending MIT and receiving all As isn’t going to hurt! But it’s not required. Reapplying to USNA may not work out, so choose a college where you expect to be happy for the next four years. If you can only afford to attend a community college for financial or other reasons, be sure to discuss this with your BGO.

I validated out of [pick any] “plebe course” at my college and/or I can’t get into [pick any] plebe course at my college. What do I do?

If you validate out of the entry level of a plebe course, try to take the next level of that same course. For example, if you validate Calc I, take Calc II. If you validate Calc I and II, take Calc III or some other higher level math course. If you validate out of freshman English, take another English class that includes written work. If you can’t get into a course (e.g., chemistry b/c it’s filled with doctor wannabes), take physics or intro to engineering. You should try to model your course load on the plebe courses, but if you encounter difficulties, take courses as close as possible given your limitations. Plebes take 16/17 hours per semester, so your course load should be in that range – at least 15 hours/semester.

Should/must I do NROTC?

Doing ROTC can help in many ways. First, it can help you confirm that a military lifestyle/career is what you really want. Second, it provides a another source for a nomination. Third, it helps demonstrate your interest in the USN. The above said, it’s not a requirement for a successful reapplication. There are various reasons that some candidates can’t or don’t want to do ROTC. If you excel in other ways, the fact you didn’t do ROTC shouldn’t be an issue.

I’m currently a cadet/mid at another SA but I really want to attend USNA. Can I apply from one SA to another?

Yes, you can apply. Technically, you could be accepted. Realistically, you won’t be. The main reason is that SAs don’t want to be seen as “poaching” from one another – the whole thing could quickly become very unseemly. A secondary/related reason is that every SA wants people to attend who actually want to be there and not those who see it as a jumping off spot for another SA; thus none of the SAs wants to encourage that approach. If you don’t like the SA you’re currently attending and want to attend another SA, you’re probably going to have to leave that SA and attend civilian college for a year while applying to the other SA(s). Not an easy process. Thus, you should never go to SA#1 with the hope or expectation that you can parlay that into four years at SA#2.

Prep school vs. college – which should I do?

USNA says college. There are some exceptions which include (but aren’t limited to): you need help with study skills or time management; your high school was terrible and didn’t prepare you well; you need to build independence and learn to live away from home. Going to prep school (including Foundation schools) as an unsponsored student believing this will increase your chances of admission is risky. View with skepticism the numbers prep schools tout in terms of SA admissions – be sure you’re looking at “self prep” numbers, not numbers that include “sponsored” prep students. A year at prep school is absolutely terrific for some and a total waste of time and money for others.

I’m in a huge lecture class at college and my prof doesn’t know me. Whom should I ask for teacher recommendations?

USNA prefers recommendations from your college profs as they are able to comment on college level work. However, if you’re in a huge lecture class (>100 students) where the prof doesn't know his/her students, USNA will accept recommendations from your senior year h.s. English and math teachers. If you have small sections in college math or English or you otherwise have gotten to know your prof, you should use your college prof. One side note – if you plan to use your college profs, remember there is no need for them to submit the rec early. However, you may want to tell your prof early in the semester that you will be asking for a rec so he/she can get to know you. If you plan to submit h.s. teacher recs, I suggest you ask for them early so that you are still fresh in their minds from the prior year.

What should I do during the summer after my senior year?

First, take couple weeks of vacation. You deserve it and probably need it. After that, do something that will improve your chances of being appointed next year, which basically means doing something productive. For many, this means work. USNA understands that candidates about to enter civilian college may need to get a job in order to help finance their education. That's perfectly fine and expected.

If you're lucky enough not to need a job, consider what you can do to improve yourself or the lives of others. Volunteer. Take an intensive language course. Participate in sports camps. Something other than hanging around the house or mall all summer.

People who are successful at USNA are those who like to keep busy – and summers at USNA are jam-packed. Thus, show USNA that you can do something useful with your free time.

A few other notes:

You will get a new candidate number and will need to resubmit everything to USNA (e.g., new letters of recommendation, new Candidate Activities Record). You need to retake the CFA. You do NOT need to redo your medical (DODMERB exam is good for 2 years) unless something in your medical situation has changed.

You will in all likelihood maintain your current district/state of residence, even when you go to college (mostly because you remain a dependent of your parents). In that case, you reapply to the same MOCs.

USNA has told BGOs that it is important for reapplicants to improve on ALL areas of their application -- grades, CFA, standardized tests and continued leadership. IOW, it's not enough simply to get As in the plebe courses -- you want to push yourself across the board.

Doing all the above is not a guarantee of an appointment. But, for those who remain determined, it's the best path.

Finally, the moment you receive a turndown, you tend to think that reapplying to USNA is the only answer. However, along that journey, many young men and women find that they really love their civilian school. Many open a new USNA application only to pull it weeks or months later.

The fact is that, much as you wanted to attend USNA, you may well find that “Plan B” turns out to be an exceptional Plan A and soon you can’t imagine being anywhere else. Embrace that! There are many paths to happiness and success in life – USNA is only one of them.

Reapplicants who do receive USNA appointments may still struggle with the decision whether to leave their civilian school, where they’ve had success, made friends, etc. I worked with one who loved her civilian school and wasn’t sure she wanted to “start over” at USNA. She ended up doing so, was extremely happy, and graduated from USNA in the top 50 of her class. However, it wasn’t an easy decision – and it may not be for you.

If the desire for USNA still burns, go for it. But, if the USNA flame is replaced by a love for your new school/life, be thrilled it’s worked out so well for you and celebrate your success.

Best of luck!
My DS was just denied admissions and is strongly inclined to reapply. He did receive an Army ROTC scholarship at William and Mary - no NROTC there. Would using this scholarship in any way impede a reapplication to USNA? Thank you!
 
My DS was just denied admissions and is strongly inclined to reapply. He did receive an Army ROTC scholarship at William and Mary - no NROTC there. Would using this scholarship in any way impede a reapplication to USNA? Thank you!
No. I dont believe so. Plenty of SA app come from ROTC people
 
What does prep school mean as defined by prep being inferior to a 4 yr college?

firstly, the OP responded to someone and said being in MMI for a sponsored prep vs free agent prep was different. No, it isn’t different. The coursework and regimen is identical. The only difference is one has a golden ticket and the other does not. The program at a school like MMI is identical.

second, freshman year coursework is as mundane and rudimentary as most high schools, jr colleges, and community colleges. Physics I covers the same newton mechanics in ” billy bob’s college emporium” as physics I in Yale or MIT. so I do not understand the reason one is different from another.

The strength of a college like MIT is in the sophomore and beyond years and in the opportunities for specialized study And exposure to world leading professors. (Which won’t be teaching freshman physics I). It just doesn’t make any sense.
 
It just doesn’t make any sense.
You may be right ...it might not make sense, but it is the way of the world.

NAPS/Foundation are in fact a "golden ticket" -- USNA Admissions has made the determination that there is something in that Candidate that USNA wants, but he/she could use another year of Academic preparation. The self prep candidate may get the exact same classes and preparation, but he/she isn't going in with that predetermination that USNA wants them,

I don't disagree that those basic freshman STEM classes can be taught at prep school, community college, State U , or an Ivy , and I would suggest that sometimes the Community College professor may actually be a better teacher than some high powered Ivy professor (the Ivy professor has a lot of academic credentials, but freshman calculus, chemistry, physics isn't exactly rocket science). That said, the level of academic challenge and competition for top grades may be higher at the Ivy , and high performance at an Ivy is going to carry more weight than performance at a prep school or community college. In addition, the fact that a Candidate got accepted at the Ivy is probably going to carry some weight as well.

Bottom line, USNA looks favorably upon reapplicants who have demonstrated good performance in a rigorous STEM curriculum, and like it or not (or making sense or not), this performance at a stronger school is likely to have some influence. Of course, there is no one answer or special sauce, and plenty of Candidates are successful attending one of the various self prep programs
 
Don't entirely understand Spook421's question / issue, but will try to answer. Sponsored and non-sponsored prep students typically go through the exact same program. However, a sponsored prep student has been identified by USNA as someone it wants, pending an extra year of prep. A non-sponsored prep student is someone who has been turned down by USNA. The reason(s) for the TWE may or may not be addressed by a year of prep school. For any number of reasons, those folks are generally better off going to college (though there are exceptions).

CC vs. 4-year college. CCs vary greatly in their academic rigor as do 4-year colleges. However, USNA has shown a clear preference for 4-year colleges. It might be due to the fact that most students live on or near campus so get more of the "total college experience" at a 4-year or they perceive the academics as stronger.

If you attend MIT, it's may not be that USNA thinks your freshman coursework is stronger. But if you got into MIT, you're probably a very strong candidate. To think that a candidate with As from a CC in STEM classes will be viewed exactly the same as a candidate with As from MIT in STEM classes is pure folly. May not be fair, but this is the real world.

The above said, someone posting on this forum was a successful reapplicant from a CC. So it does happen. It's just not as likely as a candidate from a 4-year college. Just like non-varsity h.s. athletes are admitted to USNA every year -- but it's a small percentage as compared to varsity athletes. The advice provided is designed to give folks the best shot at admission during a second go-round. But it's definitely not the only path.
 
Don't entirely understand Spook421's question / issue, but will try to answer. Sponsored and non-sponsored prep students typically go through the exact same program. However, a sponsored prep student has been identified by USNA as someone it wants, pending an extra year of prep. A non-sponsored prep student is someone who has been turned down by USNA. The reason(s) for the TWE may or may not be addressed by a year of prep school. For any number of reasons, those folks are generally better off going to college (though there are exceptions).

CC vs. 4-year college. CCs vary greatly in their academic rigor as do 4-year colleges. However, USNA has shown a clear preference for 4-year colleges. It might be due to the fact that most students live on or near campus so get more of the "total college experience" at a 4-year or they perceive the academics as stronger.

If you attend MIT, it's may not be that USNA thinks your freshman coursework is stronger. But if you got into MIT, you're probably a very strong candidate. To think that a candidate with As from a CC in STEM classes will be viewed exactly the same as a candidate with As from MIT in STEM classes is pure folly. May not be fair, but this is the real world.

The above said, someone posting on this forum was a successful reapplicant from a CC. So it does happen. It's just not as likely as a candidate from a 4-year college. Just like non-varsity h.s. athletes are admitted to USNA every year -- but it's a small percentage as compared to varsity athletes. The advice provided is designed to give folks the best shot at admission during a second go-round. But it's definitely not the only path.

if a prep school was inferior to a 4 year school, why would USNA send a candidate to an inferior school? The simple answer is they would not because they do not believe it is inferior And they do recognize that freshman Stem classes are equivalent.
the military would never willfully send candidates they select to inferior opportunities. And therefore, I think it is a nonsensical argument.
now if someone attends a prep school that isn’t on the USNA a list, maybe there is an argument to be made And maybe that is what is being lost in the translation. Hence the reason I asked for prep school to be defined.
it would be embarrassing to learn that the navy sends its selected appointees to an inferior program for training.
 
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if a prep school was inferior to a 4 year school, why would USNA send a candidate to an inferior school? The simple answer is they would not because they do not believe it is inferior And they do recognize that freshman Stem classes are equivalent.
the military would never willfully send candidates they select to inferior opportunities. And therefore, I think it is a nonsensical argument.
now if someone attends a prep school that isn’t on the USNA a list, maybe there is an argument to be made And maybe that is what is being lost in the translation. Hence the reason I asked for prep school to be defined.
it would be embarrassing to learn that the navy sends its selected appointees to an inferior program for training.
The Navy does “not send its selected appointees to an inferior program for training,” whether NAPS or a Foundation Scholarship prep school partner.

These are not USNA appointees - yet. They are candidates USNA thinks would benefit from the specific programs offered via the SA prep route, and as a vote of confidence in these candidates who were not offered an appointment to USNA in the current cycle but clearly have other attributes USNA values, they are given a free ride at NAPS or a substantial Foundation scholarship at a partner prep school. It’s a key-and-lock alignment. USNA is confident the sponsored prep route is exactly what these candidates need for a successful re-application process, and with successful completion of prep, it is highly likely an appointment will be offered.

There is no such expectation with non-sponsored prep, though successful prep completion can only be a positive. If a candidate is 100% certain that a prep path is exactly what they need to be successful, then it’s a fine way to go - but I don’t believe the SAs go into that level of detail in advising candidates of whether to go prep or college. Unless Admissions is explicit in telling a candidate why they were not successful in their application, self-sponsored prep may or may not be exactly the right path for any given candidate.

It’s not a question of inferiority. It’s what path is best for an individual - for many, attending a 4-year is the right path.
 
Spook421 -- not going to debate you but I will try to explain one more time. Candidates sent to sponsored prep are people USNA really wants but are determined by USNA to need more h.s. prep to be successful academically at USNA. I know one such person who did really well in h.s. but the high school itself was terrible. So that student benefited from a year of prep school where the level of (essentially h.s.) academics was much higher. Also, most prep schools are reinforcing h.s. concepts; I can promise you that "plebe" STEM courses at USNA and at civilian 4-year colleges are much more challenging than those same courses at most (if not all) prep schools.

Many students who are turned down by USNA are well-qualified academically. The only issue was a numbers game -- there were stronger candidates who received the appointments. It would not benefit those students to attend a prep school because their h.s. academic prep was just fine -- they don't need more h.s. prep. Those people are better off attending college -- both for USNA purposes and because they should get on with their college education in case USNA doesn't work out.

There are some candidates who are turned down from USNA for academic reasons. Those individuals might well benefit from a year of prep school where they will learn better study habits, get better instruction, etc. That concept is in the sticky.

If a candidate is uncertain as to whether a year of prep school (vs. college) would be beneficial for USNA purposes, s/he should consult their BGO and / or USNA Regional Director.

Note that many prep schools are about as expensive as a year of college and most do not offer college credit (though some do). If a candidate is not sponsored, the candidate and parents must consider whether their money is better spent on college or a year of prep school, potentially followed by 4 years of civilian college tuition (if a SA doesn't work out). It's an individualized decision.

Bottom line: Prep schools are not "inferior." They serve a particular purpose which may be appropriate for some, but not all, candidates who receive TWEs.
 
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