FFR says it's over for me. Is it?

franknd said:
1) You have a 4-year AROTC scholarship in your back pocket, so you are already way ahead of the game. Keep in mind that there are a lot of applicants who would willingly trade places with you because of that. (You haven't said, but where have you been accepted so far?)

2) None of us knows what intell your FFR may be sitting on, but it seems a bit extreme to me to tell someone with a senatorial nom from a large state that he has no chance at an appointment. If you were strong enough to get that nom, then even if you lose both your nom slates, I would think you would still definitely be competitive until the very end for an appointment from one of the noms that WP controls.

3) If you don't end up with an appointment (or AOG sponsorship, etc.), and you aren't happy with your college acceptances for the 4-year AROTC scholarship, then you might consider going to one of the SA prep schools like Marion, GMC, etc. From what I have see, Marion in particular has a strong track record with self-preps to WP.

You have a ton going for you. Don't lose sight of that no matter how WP breaks for you this go-around.
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Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it.

I have been accepted into a top 10 engineering school and will apply my AROTC scholarship there if turned down from the SAs. I have also applied to USAFA and USNA. After hearing from the FFR, I wonder if my application isn't good enough for USMA then it probably isn't good enough for the others.

I agree that his response was extreme. I hope to prove him wrong and will continue to work toward my goal, even if it means reapplying next year.
 
captaincrunch said:
I have followed this forum for a long time and it's been a great help. A little background.....I attended SLE last summer. Loved every minute of it and truly felt like I belonged there. I even won an award at SLE. I am 3Q at USMA with a senate nom and a congressional nom. SAT scores a tik below 1400, over 700 in math. 4.0 unweighted GPA. Many dual credit stem classes including calculus II. Boys State, Civil Air Patrol, leadership positions at school. Track, but no varsity letter. I have already been awarded a 4 year AROTC scholarship.

I contacted my FFR today. I have sent him several emails during this application process and this was the first time that he responded. He said that someone had been appointed, but is undecided from my congressional slate. The senate slate isn't decided yet. He said that USMA has my status as qualified, but he flat out told me that in his opinion I would not be appointed this year and that I should move on. It was shocking to hear. I come from a large state and I just assumed since I received a senate nom that my file had to be somewhat competitive. Is it really over for me this year already? Do I have no hope of coming off the NWL?
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As far as I know, FFRs are volunteers and sometimes are civilians. How is it they have access to who is appointed within your district? Seems interesting that FFRs have this sort of information on hand. I doubt it though? My FFR surely couldn't answer questions that were more so for a RC to answer. If an RC said this, then maybe it's less doubtful that their information isn't false.
 
captaincrunch said:
Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it.

I have been accepted into a top 10 engineering school and will apply my AROTC scholarship there if turned down from the SAs. I have also applied to USAFA and USNA. After hearing from the FFR, I wonder if my application isn't good enough for USMA then it probably isn't good enough for the others.

I agree that his response was extreme. I hope to prove him wrong and will continue to work toward my goal, even if it means reapplying next year.
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I wouldn't assume anything about AFA or Annapolis. To put it plainly, my impression is that they weigh different aspects of the applications differently than WP does.
 
Rixce said:
As far as I know, FFRs are volunteers and sometimes are civilians. How is it they have access to who is appointed within your district? Seems interesting that FFRs have this sort of information on hand. I doubt it though? My FFR surely couldn't answer questions that were more so for a RC to answer. If an RC said this, then maybe it's less doubtful that their information isn't false.
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To my understanding, they happen to have a portal that they can view everything. Do not think that they have everything that an RC has but they do have access to some stuff.
 
Similar situation for our cadet last year. Their FFR basically told us, at best they might get into the prep school. Said their app was not strong enough. Fast Forward, our cadet received appointments from both USMA and USAFA. They chose USAFA and one of the reason why was how unprofessional the FFR was during the interview.

Stay positive!
 
justdoit19 said:
Your FFR is offering an opinion.

USMA will offer you a fact.

No, it’s not over until factually, it is.

Everyone is always advised to have a solid back up plan, or 3. Secure that, and wait for OFFICIAL word from USMA.

It’s hard, but put this in the back of your mind. Be present in your last semester, of your last year, of K-12 education. Senior year is special. Especially last semester of senior year.

My son was pulled from the waitlist for USNA in May. He had moved on to plan B. Bought spirit gear. Had a dorm and roommate. Planned furnishing his dorm. And then BOOM 🤯 a call.

It’s not over until official word that it is.
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All of this is GREAT advice and proof it's not over until it's 100% over and that can be LATE.
 
It's not over until it's over, and even sometimes it's not over then. See my other comments about the applicant last year who got a bona fide rejection letter in February and then, with no notice or explanation, found an appointment letter in his portal in April. He is currently heading toward the final stretch of plebe year. Plan B's are essential, but you aren't out of the race yet.
 
Pattonsghost said:
It's not over until it's over, and even sometimes it's not over then. See my other comments about the applicant last year who got a bona fide rejection letter in February and then, with no notice or explanation, found an appointment letter in his portal in April. He is currently heading toward the final stretch of plebe year. Plan B's are essential, but you aren't out of the race yet.
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That's so crazy! I wonder what made him keep checking the portal?
 
captaincrunch said:
That's very helpful. Thanks
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vipercrew said:
It is very frustrating. My DS (class of 27) was in a similar situation with very similar credentials (CAP Spaatz, Boys State, NHS, Student Council, etc.) Just keep working you plan B's and it may still work out. We also had a conversation with his Regional Admissions Officer, and provided backup info to help his package (statements from CAP PJOC Commander, personal trainer on his physical capabilities.) DS also didn't have an athletic letter, even though he worked out and trained A LOT on his own. He started to accept that USMA wasnt going to come though, and was looking forward to Texas A&M on a AFROTC scholarship. It wasn't until late March that he receive an AOG Sponsored prep scholarship, and then a week after he accepted that, a full Admission. My point is, it can be a long road, full of twists and turns, and you just have to keep plugging away.

Fast forward to today, and he is in the top 10% of his class, and has received several Sup's award for fitness. So, a lack of athletic letter, and less than a 1500+ SAT do not always reflect how you will do at USMA. It comes down to grit and perseverance.
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I fully agree on what you said. I know someone drove up to West Point around R day and tell them that he was ready to be up anytime if someone quit. West Point ended up give him a Prep spot. He already graduated.
 
USSEnterpr1se said:
In my honest opinion, you're still not out of the game. You can probably still make it. Having someone appointed already in your slate is not over, there are 435 congressional districts in the United States but an appointed class makes up around 1100+ cadets.. So.. Where do the rest of the 600+ cadets come from? Many of those cadets come from districts that already have someone appointed in them and another nomination sources. It's not over until WP admissions says it is. Don't lose hope!
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Offers will be total around 1500 because 80% yield rate - 435 Congress- 100 senate- last year Prep school 200? - enlist candidates ? - top 150 National waitinglist - LOA around 100? - athletics, this is my estimate of the appointments source. Could be wrong or overlap. Total qualified candidate were 1788 last year. Total applicants 12000. I will say when you make to 3 Q plus Nomination, chances are big. It is a waiting game.
 
SAProspect said:
To my understanding, they happen to have a portal that they can view everything. Do not think that they have everything that an RC has but they do have access to some stuff.
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I think FFR can see candidate portal for the district he handles. FFR can be West Point graduates or civilian.
 
Touch123 said:
I think FFR can see candidate portal for the district he handles. FFR can be West Point graduates or civilian.
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Yes, just their districts. They also can't see their WCS scores, but they can see the applications/test scores I think.
 
FFR's can't see WCS scores, but can see status of all candidates in district(s) - file completion status, appointment offers, acceptances, etc.

Possible that this FFR saw that other candidates had already accepted appointment offesr for the applicable slates. But it ain't over until the TWE arrives - many examples of offers late in the cycle.
 
I was literally in your shoes a month ago. Competitive candidate, 3Q’d, placed on national wait list, etc etc. FFR told me it was very unlikely I would get an offer. I thought that was the end of the line for me. Fast forward a month, and I have an offer!! Anything can happen. I would say don’t get your hopes up too high, but it certainly isn’t over for you!
 
@captaincrunch...we would all appreciate the occasional update from you as your hear from USMA, USNA, USAFA and your other schools.
You've received excellent feedback from REAL FFRs who participate in this forum...you do not know anything until you hear from admissions--and each school wants different things. People are accepted or rejected from different schools--it is about the building of the perfect class to serve as officers in that service four years from now--so each academy wants something different to round out the class.

Be confident. Keep faith. Keep us updated. We are cheering for you.
 
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