VTCC AMA

Did you apply to any service academies as well? If so, did you attend summer seminar/AIM/overnight visits?

I ask because VT is one of the 2 options on the table at this point if NAPS doesn't come through, and I'm curious if you were able to compare. I attended the March 25th Spend The Night and I got the impression that, while of course it's a great organization, the Corps as a whole isn't *quite* as squared-away as the student body at a federal service academy. I don't necessarily think it's fair for me to have that expectation, but I'm curious if my experience was representative of the Corps as a whole or if my hosts (though excellent) skewed my perception.

Thanks!
 
Is it possible to change to ROTC from the citizen leader track, I am considering Army ROTC.
I believe so. My son's roommate changed from VPI to AF ROTC sometime after reporting. I'm not sure if he's been picked up for a scholarship yet but assume he's working towards it.
 
Is it possible to change to ROTC from the citizen leader track, I am considering Army ROTC.
Yes it's definitely possible, reach out to Army if you are interested and they will help get you set up. Happens all the time. They will help you work towards contracting + getting on scholarship if that is your goal.
 
Did you apply to any service academies as well? If so, did you attend summer seminar/AIM/overnight visits?

I ask because VT is one of the 2 options on the table at this point if NAPS doesn't come through, and I'm curious if you were able to compare. I attended the March 25th Spend The Night and I got the impression that, while of course it's a great organization, the Corps as a whole isn't *quite* as squared-away as the student body at a federal service academy. I don't necessarily think it's fair for me to have that expectation, but I'm curious if my experience was representative of the Corps as a whole or if my hosts (though excellent) skewed my perception.

Thanks!
I did not apply to any service academies, I wanted some of the "normal" college experience and VT was more appealing to me in that aspect. I can see why the Corps would come off as less locked on than an academy. And I think the "normal" college experience plays into that a lot. Once you turn you kind of pick and choose how much time you want to spend in the Corps so it's easy for people to fall off and lean into the civilian side more whereas at an academy you're pretty much all military all the time. That's just a factor of being at a school with a 35k+ student population. Also, we're getting a new commandant next year for the first time in a decade, so the whole environment could totally change, and no one's sure what that will look like.

I think eventually it will come down to what you want more - the total military environment you would get at NAPS/USNA vs. the ability to be a normal student on the weekends at VT. Both have their pros and cons. But yes, while I don't think it's totally fair to judge the Corps off one Spend the Night, you/your hosts are not wrong that it is a less military-intensive environment than an academy. Cadet opinion is that the Corps is beginning to trend towards producing leaders not officers. Nothing wrong with either school. Just comes down to everyone's individual preference.
 
I did not apply to any service academies, I wanted some of the "normal" college experience and VT was more appealing to me in that aspect. I can see why the Corps would come off as less locked on than an academy. And I think the "normal" college experience plays into that a lot. Once you turn you kind of pick and choose how much time you want to spend in the Corps so it's easy for people to fall off and lean into the civilian side more whereas at an academy you're pretty much all military all the time. That's just a factor of being at a school with a 35k+ student population. Also, we're getting a new commandant next year for the first time in a decade, so the whole environment could totally change, and no one's sure what that will look like.

I think eventually it will come down to what you want more - the total military environment you would get at NAPS/USNA vs. the ability to be a normal student on the weekends at VT. Both have their pros and cons. But yes, while I don't think it's totally fair to judge the Corps off one Spend the Night, you/your hosts are not wrong that it is a less military-intensive environment than an academy. Cadet opinion is that the Corps is beginning to trend towards producing leaders not officers. Nothing wrong with either school. Just comes down to everyone's individual preference.
Totally understandable. I appreciate the input -- it's all very helpful. Kind of a tough decision between joining the Corps at VT and self-prepping at a smaller school without a Corps for another year; like you said, pros and cons to both.

Any chance you could elaborate on the trend toward producing leaders rather than officers? I think I know what you mean, but a little clarification would be amazing.

I really appreciate the help! Decisions, decisions...
 
Totally understandable. I appreciate the input -- it's all very helpful. Kind of a tough decision between joining the Corps at VT and self-prepping at a smaller school without a Corps for another year; like you said, pros and cons to both.

Any chance you could elaborate on the trend toward producing leaders rather than officers? I think I know what you mean, but a little clarification would be amazing.

I really appreciate the help! Decisions, decisions...
I presume you mean a service academy prep school? If so, as a prior self prep (NWP) who is now in the Corps, I would honestly recommend neither if your end goal is an academy. Go to a typical ROTC unit and get the basic military experience, but focus more on academics because that's what will get you in. Self-preps have a significantly lower acceptance rate than those on a scholarship program (like FFS), but that's not advertised much since the prep schools wouldn't make money. If you go to the corps, the freshmen experience (and time commitment) is very similar to that of the academies, and freshmen grades are usually pretty bad compared to their civ counterparts. If you're ok with long term at the corps, but the academy would be nice, then that's a different story and it'll probably be worth it.

I'll also take a stab at the second question because I also think I get where they're coming from. Be warned, this is a brain dump and not well structured or thought through. Many cadets complain the corps isn't as "hard" as it used to be because they're modernizing and not hazing people as much, but it's in a transition period where there have been a lot of restrictions to what can be done for training, but there haven't been a lot of new solutions to fill in those gaps leaving a vacuum. Again, transition period. Very similar to how the Army and AF are restructuring their basic enlisted training (but they have professionals doing that and we have untrained cadets). That being said, the Corps mission has also shifted a bit more towards trying to produce "leaders" since each branch has its own specific training and culture of what an officer is expected to do, which they get during ROTC time throughout the week. It's an interesting culture with lots of pros and cons, but honestly not any more significant pros and cons of the academies. If you want to contrast this, just look at the "standards in free fall" thread under the USAFA category. It's a bunch of cadets learning how to lead other cadets so there's a lot of failure and people get upset along the way when things change because change is scary. Anyways, this has been a brain dump and just my opinion. Many here disagree with me, but many also agree.
 
Totally understandable. I appreciate the input -- it's all very helpful. Kind of a tough decision between joining the Corps at VT and self-prepping at a smaller school without a Corps for another year; like you said, pros and cons to both.

Any chance you could elaborate on the trend toward producing leaders rather than officers? I think I know what you mean, but a little clarification would be amazing.

I really appreciate the help! Decisions, decisions...
First - I completely agree with what the poster above me said. I think a lot of it stems from the (perceived or real) reduction of freshman training/standards, which appears to be becoming an issue at the academies too. I try not to get worked up about it since those kind of things vary extensively year to year but there is beginning to be a noticeable difference between what was permitted when '24 (and to an extent '25) were freshmen compared to what has been allowed for '26 and '27. There has been a tightening of the right and left bounds for cadre and not much help on what they can do to fill that gap. So we're kind of in a limbo where cadre are trying to figure out how to best train the freshmen given the restrictions in place and a lot of people have struggled to find solutions in that area. There is really only one ROTC-exclusive training block (plus the academic class) per week so a lot of the leadership instruction centers on personal development instead of specific instructions for leading as an officer. Not that that's a bad thing, I think a lot of people just wish the ROTCs were given more chances to kind of hone in on branch-specific skills.

For what it's worth, I know at least 7 cadets who reapplied to an academy after a year in the Corps and were accepted and are thriving. At the end of the day though, once you put the butter bars on you're a 2LT/ensign like everyone else no matter where you commissioned from. It really comes down to what you want out of your college experience, and I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to that question.
 
I presume you mean a service academy prep school? If so, as a prior self prep (NWP) who is now in the Corps, I would honestly recommend neither if your end goal is an academy. Go to a typical ROTC unit and get the basic military experience, but focus more on academics because that's what will get you in. Self-preps have a significantly lower acceptance rate than those on a scholarship program (like FFS), but that's not advertised much since the prep schools wouldn't make money. If you go to the corps, the freshmen experience (and time commitment) is very similar to that of the academies, and freshmen grades are usually pretty bad compared to their civ counterparts. If you're ok with long term at the corps, but the academy would be nice, then that's a different story and it'll probably be worth it.
When I say self-prep, my plan is to enroll at a 4-year college that I'd be happy at for the full 4, then take a freshman year course load similar to that of a plebe/swab. That way, if I don't earn an appointment, I'm still at a school that I'm happy with and progressing toward a degree that I can take to OCS (or commission via ROTC if I wind up at VT -- my other option, St. Mary's College of Maryland, unfortunately does not have an ROTC program, though I plan to participate in the Coast Guard's AUP) and still commission. With regard to what you said about academics -- that's a major part of the struggle in deciding. Having the military experience would be excellent, but I want to pick the school that will better enable me to be academically successful in order to make my way to an academy. Like you said, there's a tradeoff if I pick the Corps -- I get the academy experience (which may in itself be useful in easing the transition should I earn an appointment), but what good is that if I don't get the grades?

The last sentence here kind of sums it up -- I do think I'd be happy long term at the Corps, but I'm still pushing for an academy. I'm just still uncertain whether I'd be ok with (potentially) giving that dream up to go to the Corps, or if I'd rather set myself up better for an academy appointment at the risk of not getting that kind of experience at all should I fail to earn the appointment. Not that that's a decision anyone else can make for me; it's just time for a lot of (slightly accelerated) soul searching.
I'll also take a stab at the second question because I also think I get where they're coming from. Be warned, this is a brain dump and not well structured or thought through. Many cadets complain the corps isn't as "hard" as it used to be because they're modernizing and not hazing people as much, but it's in a transition period where there have been a lot of restrictions to what can be done for training, but there haven't been a lot of new solutions to fill in those gaps leaving a vacuum. Again, transition period. Very similar to how the Army and AF are restructuring their basic enlisted training (but they have professionals doing that and we have untrained cadets). That being said, the Corps mission has also shifted a bit more towards trying to produce "leaders" since each branch has its own specific training and culture of what an officer is expected to do, which they get during ROTC time throughout the week. It's an interesting culture with lots of pros and cons, but honestly not any more significant pros and cons of the academies. If you want to contrast this, just look at the "standards in free fall" thread under the USAFA category. It's a bunch of cadets learning how to lead other cadets so there's a lot of failure and people get upset along the way when things change because change is scary. Anyways, this has been a brain dump and just my opinion. Many here disagree with me, but many also agree.
That's all very good to consider. Like you said, lots of pros and cons! Makes sense that the Corps is moving more toward letting the branches dictate what officer training their cadets get. Thanks for the help!

First - I completely agree with what the poster above me said. I think a lot of it stems from the (perceived or real) reduction of freshman training/standards, which appears to be becoming an issue at the academies too. I try not to get worked up about it since those kind of things vary extensively year to year but there is beginning to be a noticeable difference between what was permitted when '24 (and to an extent '25) were freshmen compared to what has been allowed for '26 and '27. There has been a tightening of the right and left bounds for cadre and not much help on what they can do to fill that gap. So we're kind of in a limbo where cadre are trying to figure out how to best train the freshmen given the restrictions in place and a lot of people have struggled to find solutions in that area. There is really only one ROTC-exclusive training block (plus the academic class) per week so a lot of the leadership instruction centers on personal development instead of specific instructions for leading as an officer. Not that that's a bad thing, I think a lot of people just wish the ROTCs were given more chances to kind of hone in on branch-specific skills.
That all makes sense. It does seem like it may be reflective of a broader trend rather than just a VT thing, and having that context is helpful. Hard to tell if it's more of a pro or con for me -- but that's a decision nobody but myself can make.
For what it's worth, I know at least 7 cadets who reapplied to an academy after a year in the Corps and were accepted and are thriving. At the end of the day though, once you put the butter bars on you're a 2LT/ensign like everyone else no matter where you commissioned from. It really comes down to what you want out of your college experience, and I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to that question.
That's good to know! Col. Shelton mentioned a similar trend during his brief at my STN, so I'm glad to have confirmation of that. I absolutely agree that an officer is an officer, regardless of commissioning source (and whatever I do, there'll be options to pursue a commission), but like you said, it's a matter of the journey from here to there.

Thank you both so much for your input! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
 
The best advice I ever got in the whole college search process was - if something happened and you couldn't commission, would you still be happy at that school? And something did happen, and I'm still happy at Virginia Tech, and the world kept going.

Best of luck with everything. You seem like you've got a good mature mindset. If you ever have any more questions about VT please feel free to reach out.
 
Gregory Guard is the Corps' silent drill team. They perform at football games, Mil Ball, and other events on and off campus. Tapping (tryouts and selection) happens early in second semester I believe. You can also try out (or be voluntold) for your company's Eager Squad team in second semester which is the final drill competition between each company.
 
I keep on seeing on the VT website and their engineering roadmaps that those in the Corps/ROTC are recommended to finish their degree in 4.5 or 5 years compared to the normal 4. Is it very common for those to do so? Also, how does college classes compare to things like AP and Dual Enrollment. I enjoyed subjects like Calc BC and the rigor and challenge it gave. I'm told that College Calculus is a different beast compared to AP though. I am also kind of daunted by the big classes for first year engineering students so how does one go on about navigating that? LTC Mariger also highly advertises that the fact that the Corps average GPA is higher than those who aren't in the Corps. How do they achieve this and what kind of student resources are there in the Corps? My goal for a GPA would be a 3.25-3.5 to be competitive for a side load and to be able to service select the community I want.
 
It is not unusual to have to take 4.5 or 5 years to finish an engineering degree. This is because the Corps and ROTC classes increase the credits you have to take - I believe the MSIV classes in AROTC add 4 credits per semester. But it can absolutely also be done in 4 years. It just depends on your major, how many transfer credits you come in with if any, whether you will take summer classes, etc.

I did not take AP Calculus but still passed Calc 1 at VT. The best thing to do with those large classes is to go to office hours. This allows you to develop a closer relationship with whoever is teaching your class, they will know you are engaged with the material and working hard, and sometimes that will pay off in the end. I was in office hours at least 4-5 hours per week in both calc and physics. Use your study time effectively and ask questions as soon as you think you are confused so that things don't pile up quickly and you end up in a hole you can't get out of.

There are a variety of reasons the Corps has a higher GPA. Receiving/competing for a ROTC scholarship generally requires a higher average level of academics. And freshmen have 3 1/2 hours of mandatory study time during ECQ each night. The NROTC unit additionally requires a certain number of dedicated study hours per week that are tracked and recorded. I believe the unit also offers tutoring resources for calc/chem/physics but I am not 100% sure there. The Corps will occasionally offer internal tutoring although that varies semester to semester and often depends on who is filling regi/battalion academic staff positions. Any resources available to a Virginia Tech student are available to a cadet, it just is a matter of seeking out help.
 
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