New Cadet BBQ

I have been stunned at reports of mommies sending birthday cakes or special goodies with their NC's name on it to Chaplain's Time with instructions to give it to their precious darling!:confused:

It's just like summer camp.....

That happened?
I'm sure the parents have good hearts and intentions, but-
1) What part of 'Do not send Boodle during Beast" is not clear.
2) The personalized goodies focuses attention on those NCs which, I've heard, is not desirable.
 
That happened?
I'm sure the parents have good hearts and intentions, but-
1) What part of 'Do not send Boodle during Beast" is not clear.
2) The personalized goodies focuses attention on those NCs which, I've heard, is not desirable.

Deb Dalton can reassure that 1) violations are the exception, as they are to every other rule, and 2) as in prior years, this is a self-correcting problem.
 
A thought -

I DO NOT believe that it is the mission of the senior leaders at WP to successfully graduate as many Cadets as possible. However, that seems to be the mission. This has been accomplished by lowering standards, reducing the degree of difficulty of the military training, and giving unsuccessful cadets 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances to succeed.

I believe the mission should be to graduate Cadets that are fully qualified to be effective leaders of our great soldiers in the Army. That requires setting and maintaining high standards, conducing tough military training (Beast and Buckner) and insuring that cadets meet those standards or separate them from West Point.

These two different missions make a GREAT DIFFERENCE in every aspect of cadet life and training. Unfortunately, I think we have lost our way with a series of lenient Sups and Coms.

We currently have combat soldiers in these two key positions. Hopefully, they will make the needed changes. We should give them our constant encouragement and support.
 
This year's Beast is easier than last year's Beast. Last year was easier than the year before. Lather, rinse repeat until the you get to "the second-ever Beast was easier than the first-ever Beast."

Start again next year.

It's like singing 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall.

Glad to see this thought process crosses branches/ schools/ etc.

It is a time honored tradition in the USMC that anyone that comes after you never had it as hard as you did. "Old Corps" vs "New Corps" The FNG's always had it easier.

Its a healthy debate and obviously left to those of you who have been through Beast for the best analysis but you should be careful of assuming that because "its not the same" equates to "its not as good."

In the end, its the quality of the Officers graduating out of the Academy that should probably define the process (in its entirety) the best.
 
Wow. You guys have made thousands of friends. Posting the New Cadet photos with the cutie remarks of a 12 year old is particularly career enhancing. Wow.
 
What the.....

Well, judging Class ’17 from one frame of a long movie reel is not what the whole story is about. Scoutpilot, providing that one frame does not support your opinion on the goals West Point is striving for. Those two pictures, yes, made public from AOG was never intended to be used as a focal point of bashing. If I were the parent of those New Cadets, I certainly would not be happy with how it is being used on this forum. I find it rather disgusting how this thread is disintegrating.
If I was young people looking for advise to attend West Point as a career opportunity and came across this thread bashing New Cadets, I would feel intimidated and would probably look else where. I don’t think the original intent of SAF was to display such an unprofessional image.
If you have issue with the way BCT has evolved, write to West Point. Give them your opinion and ideas. Bashing here only displays the immaturity of posters who are supposed to guide.


Push Hard, Press Forward
 
Well, judging Class ’17 from one frame of a long movie reel is not what the whole story is about. Scoutpilot, providing that one frame does not support your opinion on the goals West Point is striving for. Those two pictures, yes, made public from AOG was never intended to be used as a focal point of bashing. If I were the parent of those New Cadets, I certainly would not be happy with how it is being used on this forum. I find it rather disgusting how this thread is disintegrating.
If I was young people looking for advise to attend West Point as a career opportunity and came across this thread bashing New Cadets, I would feel intimidated and would probably look else where. I don’t think the original intent of SAF was to display such an unprofessional image.
If you have issue with the way BCT has evolved, write to West Point. Give them your opinion and ideas. Bashing here only displays the immaturity of posters who are supposed to guide.


Push Hard, Press Forward

Your opinion is noted, and I see your side of the argument. To be fair, those two pictures were blasted all over Facebook by AOG as a "great example" of how summer training is going. The backlash across the board from grads (mostly seasoned veterans) has been enormous. It's one of the great downsides of the social media culture.

I don't for one second blame those kids. As many have said, many expected more out of Beast. I'm sorry it's not being given to them, for their sake and ours.

I do take issue with your use of "unprofessional image" to describe this discussion. People have strong opinions on this subject, for valid reasons. Those pictures did not result in personal attacks on those kids. They're two examples of how the institution is tackling the 'crucible' experience of Beast Barracks. As many noted, it's a far cry from the past. The debate is on the merits of that. If someone made personal remarks about those kids, I'd agree with you more fully.
 
Again...

Regardless how you want to rationalize bashing Class ’17 who are participates, not the decision makers. Ridiculing the decision makers here on this forum is inappropriate. Period.


Push Hard, Press Forward
 
It's just classic cyberbullying. Unbelievable that a grad would do this to New Cadets.
 
It's just classic cyberbullying. Unbelievable that a grad would do this to New Cadets.

Easy tiger...
1. None of the new cadets have access to the internet right now, so they have little to no knowledge that this discussion is even taking place
2. Scout, myself, and others are not getting worked up over the weakening of CBT so that we can show how much better we are than the Class of 2017. The concern is that by weakening CBT, we weaken the Class of 2017 for the future. Those same parents that want to protect their children from any failure, punishment, etc. because it isn't nice forget that there is another set of parents out there that in about four years will be trusting their children to the newly commissioned Class of 2017. At some point, it isn't just about the new cadets, but the soldiers they will eventually take command of.
 
Really Bigbear...

Bigbear, you’re obviously very passionate about the future of West Point. I applaud your attitude, however, SAF doesn’t have any influence to initiate the change you seek nor does anyone here. I suggest take your concerns to, Lieutenant General Robert L. Caslen, Jr. I think he is the 59th Superintendent? He’s the guy to initiate change, if you don’t get the results you wanted; I suggest get into the position to make the changes you want. But first things first, buckle down and graduate. Please.

I think his office is within walking distance for you.

Push Hard, Press Forward
 
They've made my left and right limits very clear for this summer; I'm stick around here to provide information to the guys like scout with the experience and pull to actually influence some of those decisions
 
Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites.

Examples of cyberbullying include mean text messages or emails, rumors sent by email or posted on social networking sites, and embarrassing pictures, videos, websites, or fake profiles.

Wow. Sounds like this thread. But usually it's 12 year olds doing it. Suggest you try to snake some more views of the 2017 "bleeding hearts" closed page and see what the Mother of that girl feels like. And I would personally wonder who she knows at USMA. Look at the page views. Just imagine who all has been reading this thread.

Wouldn't your Moms be proud of you guys!
 
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Easy tiger...
1. None of the new cadets have access to the internet right now, so they have little to no knowledge that this discussion is even taking place

The victim of cyber-bullying is out in the field and doesn't realize she has been embarrassed worldwide by you, Scout and others, so she isn't harmed by it. Hahahaha. That's a novel defense. I would suggest you don't try that in LAW 300. That's a first for me.
 
Couple of serious questions:

Is the Cadet BBQ relatively new to CBT? Is sounds so from Big Bear's comments and others from the WPAOG facebook page.

With a precipitous increase in the number of applicants over the last few years, who or what powers felt the need to relax the basic training portion of the new cadet experience? Obviously, the reputation of the previous version(s) of CBT didn't reduce applications.

Is the BBQ an example of CBT undergoing a gradual change or, as it seems from Big Bear's comments, a radical change within the last few years? What is the training justification?

Is there a similar event at the mid-point of enlisted basic training at Fort Benning? If no, why not?
 
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