President Trump's national security adviser resigns.

[QUOTE="Wild Blue Yonder, post: 531819, member: 5884" "I am SO GLAD Donald Trump is my Dear Son's Commander in Chief[/QUOTE]

I'm not my my DS's is...why are you?
 
Wild Blue Yonder said:
It's been awhile since I've posted on SA Forums, I've read the above thread and all I have to say is "I am SO GLAD Donald Trump is my Dear Son's Commander in Chief". If anybody thinks the alternative would have been better please respond...
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I think any or Trump's cabinet choices would have been a better president. Or their aides. Or neighbors. Or gardeners. Even, yes, Hillary Clinton (despite her well-documented involvement with the pizza-porn crew or whatever).

I think any one of America's other 320 million citizens would have been a wiser choice.

Regards,
Day-Tripper (on his 9th whiskey sour tonight - Semper Fi!)
 
Wild Blue Yonder said:
I am SO GLAD Donald Trump is my Dear Son's Commander in Chief". If anybody thinks the alternative would have been better please respond...
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Trump's directive to the DoD to come up with a plan, in about one month, to deal with ISIS and in it's haste the first option floated out the gate is to send conventional troops into Syria. I guess "SO GLAD" wouldn't be my first response.
 
Day-Tripper: Here is what I believe:

  1. General Flynn was let go because he lied to the Vice-President. (I originally filed that under the, "man bites dog" category.)
  2. This drama began when the NSA supplied raw data concerning Trump officials & that the resulting fishing expeditions/investigations were politically motivated. Also, I find it ironic that it’s the Democrats that see Russians everywhere, that's traditionally a right-wing thing; & I hope they asked one of us for permission before they borrowed it.
  3. If Clapper can survive Washington for 50+ years, then he must be good at being a survivor, that’s all. All that time creates enemies (which will happen to anyone, good or bad; just by being around for so long, enemies will be made) & he is still around, impressive, because I’ve seen well-intended & perfectly "good" deeds get spun to bad with the messenger getting shot, metaphorically. One would need a Machiavellian mindset to last that long, which is understandable when in a political arena. Though he must be able to comply with his bosses’ directives, or risk being replaced by someone who will; unless he’s unreplaceable like J Edgar Hoover, for example. In my experience, cases have been made concerning people being in place too long, they know too much. I can PM you a specific example.
  4. So far, the "investigations are continuing" phrase means that either nothing illegal has been found or not enough has in order to bring a Grand Jury indictment. As the saying goes, "You can indict a ham sandwich" meaning the threshold is low. As you can tell, I read the NY Times which has said (buried in the middle of the article well after the allegations) that so far, nothing illegal has been found.
  5. After the recess, I want this to move quickly, either have hearings, or not, pick someone to run this, set a time frame, conduct official interviews so that testimony is memorialized, bring charges, or not, & move on. Dragging this out for the next 4 years is not in the best interests of the country, but doing so would advance some politician's agenda.
  6. From the news I read, everything the president is trying to accomplish is some combination (or all) of bad, wrong &/or illegal. And if by some chance this isn't so, then there are so many obstacles ahead that the action has an extremely little to no chance of success.
  7. I do not believe that Trump officials conspired with Russian Intel officers to rig the election & I think you don’t believe it as well.


What is your take on calls for a special prosecutor? I think that the Congress (or whomever it is not Congress' responsibility), not a SP should do it. The process should be allowed to take place. Calling for a special prosecutor means (obviously) that the agency can't be trusted to do the job & I’m not there. Also, a SP may raise more questions than it answers for example, if one is going to have it in this case, where now is the line drawn? Should we have a special prosecutor for all investigations of any government agency, only when some particular fact pattern is alleged, etc?
 
Jcleppe said:
Trump's directive to the DoD to come up with a plan, in about one month, to deal with ISIS and in it's haste the first option floated out the gate is to send conventional troops into Syria. I guess "SO GLAD" wouldn't be my first response.
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One word: Benghazi
 
Wishful said:
Day-Tripper: Here is what I believe:

  1. General Flynn was let go because he lied to the Vice-President. (I originally filed that under the, "man bites dog" category.)
  2. This drama began when the NSA supplied raw data concerning Trump officials & that the resulting fishing expeditions/investigations were politically motivated. Also, I find it ironic that it’s the Democrats that see Russians everywhere, that's traditionally a right-wing thing; & I hope they asked one of us for permission before they borrowed it.
  3. If Clapper can survive Washington for 50+ years, then he must be good at being a survivor, that’s all. All that time creates enemies (which will happen to anyone, good or bad; just by being around for so long, enemies will be made) & he is still around, impressive, because I’ve seen well-intended & perfectly "good" deeds get spun to bad with the messenger getting shot, metaphorically. One would need a Machiavellian mindset to last that long, which is understandable when in a political arena. Though he must be able to comply with his bosses’ directives, or risk being replaced by someone who will; unless he’s unreplaceable like J Edgar Hoover, for example. In my experience, cases have been made concerning people being in place too long, they know too much. I can PM you a specific example.
  4. So far, the "investigations are continuing" phrase means that either nothing illegal has been found or not enough has in order to bring a Grand Jury indictment. As the saying goes, "You can indict a ham sandwich" meaning the threshold is low. As you can tell, I read the NY Times which has said (buried in the middle of the article well after the allegations) that so far, nothing illegal has been found.
  5. After the recess, I want this to move quickly, either have hearings, or not, pick someone to run this, set a time frame, conduct official interviews so that testimony is memorialized, bring charges, or not, & move on. Dragging this out for the next 4 years is not in the best interests of the country, but doing so would advance some politician's agenda.
  6. From the news I read, everything the president is trying to accomplish is some combination (or all) of bad, wrong &/or illegal. And if by some chance this isn't so, then there are so many obstacles ahead that the action has an extremely little to no chance of success.
  7. I do not believe that Trump officials conspired with Russian Intel officers to rig the election & I think you don’t believe it as well.

What is your take on calls for a special prosecutor? I think that the Congress (or whomever it is not Congress' responsibility), not a SP should do it. The process should be allowed to take place. Calling for a special prosecutor means (obviously) that the agency can't be trusted to do the job & I’m not there. Also, a SP may raise more questions than it answers for example, if one is going to have it in this case, where now is the line drawn? Should we have a special prosecutor for all investigations of any government agency, only when some particular fact pattern is alleged, etc?
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I find it stunning that suddenly the Democrats are now the party of national security, of promoting the defense of the liberal democratic world order, of supporting NATO & opposing Russian expansionism & anti-democratic ideology, and of free market trade. The Republicans, under Trump, treat all America's alliance as nothing more than business transactions which can be renegotiated at a whim. I doubt the Poles, Lithuanians, Czechs, South Koreans or Japanese believe for one second that Trump would ever come to their aid. He's already backed down on his poorly-thought-out idea of recognizing the Republic of China (Taiwan).

I do believe that President Trump has some illegal or immoral connection to Putin's Russia. If I could specific, I'd been on the phone with the FBI at this moment. His trembling meekness at the mere mention of Comrade Putin's name (compared to his strident tough-guy act with every other world leader) is all too revealing. There's something there.

Trump has been a stench in the nostrils of decency since his Birther crusade. He'll be remembered in the same political category as the Know Nothings of the 1840s-1850s, the rule of Jim Crow in the 19th-20th century American south and of Joe McCarthy's democracy-threatening Communist with hunts of the early 1950s.

Lastly (my how I tend to rant sometimes) in regards to investigating RussiaGate (term is my invention), Congress has abandoned its constitutional duties since June of 1950 when Harry Truman took us to war on his own authority. Hell, US military actions across the Middle East, south Asia, southeast Asia, all of Africa, etc. are still being conducted under an authorization passed on September 14th 2001. No one in Congress even wants to talk about it, much less debate and - heaven forbid - be held responsible for any authorizations concerning use of the military. Japan could bomb Pearl Harbor tomorrow & the US Congress would be hard pressed to even show up at Capitol Hill, much less vote on a declaration of war.

And this complete abdication of responsibility extends to domestic policy, too. "Repeal Obamacare" was the full-throated war cry for six years. You'd think the GOP-majority Congress, which voted about a bizillion times to repeal Obamacare, would have something lined up by now (SIX years!!!) to replace it. But no, nothing. Zilch. Just a bunch of elected representatives staring at the ground, shuffling their feet, at a loss for what to do now that they have the power to do it.

Congress has far more important things to do than investigate Trump-Russia ties, like spending 50% of their "work" schedule soliciting bribes, oops, I mean campaign finances, to fund their lavish lifestyles. Ever hear of a Congressman NOT flying privately-owned private jets owned by their staggering wealthy "constituents"? Or not owning veritable mansions both in their home states or districts and the extremely expensive DC metropolitan area on their paltry $174,000 per year income?

Appointing a special prosecutor would please anti-Trump people like me, sure, but it's a disgrace that Congress as a whole finds itself completely unable to do their jobs. This is what they exist for.
 
Wild Blue Yonder said:
One word: Benghazi
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AJC said:
New word: Flynghazi
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You mean to tell me that in 2012 we had fake news too, and good men didn't die?! And, all this time I thought the movie "13 Hours" was based on true events.

Please innumerate for us the similarities between the two characters involved - Flynn and Clinton - and the end results.
 
Day-Tripper said:
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and of Joe McCarthy's democracy-threatening Communist with hunts of the early 1950s.
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History, specifically the Venona intercepts, has proven McCarthy to have been correct about the communists and fellow travelers within the State Department and other government agencies. The real "witch hunt" was the one against him.
 
AJC said:
New word: Flynghazi
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Looks like AJC deleted his post questioning Capri about the use of a ?! and me about what Benghazi has to do with Cleppes post. ( I saw it, wish I had gotten a screen capture...)

Well AJ, I think ?! has to do with astonishment and amazement of some of the posters on this board, and Benghazi has everything to do with Cleppes post. I want an administration that has our service peoples back.

Can you, or anybody else watching this thread, actually defend the past administrations lack of action in Benghazi?!
 
Sledge said:
History, specifically the Venona intercepts, has proven McCarthy to have been correct about the communists and fellow travelers within the State Department and other government agencies. The real "witch hunt" was the one against him.
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Name one Soviet spy McCarthy's endless investigations uncovered. None. Soviet spis were uncovered, but by the FBI & others, none by Joe. He was to busy chasing imaginary Commies, like General George Marshall.

Name the innocents damaged by McCarthy's investigations maligned and terrorized. Legion.

Anti-communism in the 1950s as a noble cause, taken up by such leaders as Truman, Ike & JFK. The drunken, pro-Nazi, military-career-lying-about ("Tail Gunner Joe") sot McCarthy turned it into a career-building joke. He might as well have been a Soviet agent himself, for all the damage he caused.

Joe McCarthy was a monstrous pile of garbage who died in an alcoholic frenzy at the age of 48.
 
Capri120 said:
You mean to tell me that in 2012 we had fake news too, and good men didn't die?! And, all this time I thought the movie "13 Hours" was based on true events.

Please innumerate for us the similarities between the two characters involved - Flynn and Clinton - and the end results.
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Good men, brave men, heroic American men, did die at Benghazi in September 2012. Were there mistakes leading to their deaths? Certainly. But this often happens in war zones, as Libya had been since the Arab Spring & civil war which began a year earlier. Tragic, certainly.

But if the US Secretary of State had been, say, Bill Burns (Deputy Sec of State at the time, a career diplomat with no aspirations for a political career), we'd hardly remember it.

But the US Secretary of State was Hillary Clinton, a presumptive candidate for POTUS in 2016. Thus, the tremendous outrcy (by the American political Right) over 4 dead Americans which was never afforded the 4,500 American dead in the Iraq War.

Benghazi. Yeah. Right.

Let's put Benghazi where it belongs, you know, in the closet with the Obama Birther conspiracies et al.
 
Wild Blue Yonder said:
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You mean the Benghazi that was investigated 37 separate times? And what wrongdoing was found, exactly?

What action should the administration have taken over Benghazi? Hunted down the perpetrators? Done and done, slick. Nabbed the planner nearly 3 years.
 
Wild Blue Yonder said:
I want an administration that has our service peoples back.
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So to achieve that you voted for the guy who dodged the draft 5 times, who mocked a POW and decorated Naval officer, who insulted parents--parents like you--who lost their son in the service of our nation?

How about YOU answer a question for once instead of avoiding them?
 
grahamtorr65 said:
Then you guys are turning this otherwise fine platform in to yet one more political quagmire. Nice job.
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4 * General Tony Thomas (NOT RETIRED) and Ret. Vice Admiral Robert Harward, who are NOT political, have indicated that there is a "political quagmire," but it is not on this platform. This forum has reflected their underlying concerns, stated or signaled, that are important for military discussion platforms to address thru agreement or disagreement.
 
grahamtorr65 said:
Then you guys are turning this otherwise fine platform in to yet one more political quagmire. Nice job.
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You're new here. so let me direct you toward the "X" in the upper corner of your browser window. It may also appear as a red circle. It will solve your angst over this thread.
 
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