President Trump's national security adviser resigns.

I did not intend to be less than civil. I think it is important that we can have these conversations. I do, however, agree with Senator McCain. About the press, too
 
So, how do you feel about the 306 days, and over 400 rounds of golf that President Obama played while in office? I doubt President Trump, or any president for that matter will top that.
Before passing judgement, a little research will help - that figure and claim about playing more than any other President is an exaggeration (as with many things about Obama from his detractors) - From earlier this year: "According to CBS News White House Correspondent Mark Knoller, Obama played 333 rounds as president. Obama averaged about 41 rounds a year, but he never came close to Presidents Woodrow Wilson or Dwight Eisenhower, who were estimated to have played 1,200 and 800 rounds, respectively." Personally, I don't think 41 rounds a year is that much, not do I fault Dwight for playing so much - there's a lot of pressure in the job.
As to whether Trump will match that, he's on his way - he's played 5 times so far and Obama hadn't played any rounds at this point in his presidency.
What I find more hypocritical and troubling with Trump is the taxpayer money being spent on his trips and those of his kids going overseas - and the commingling of these trips with the family business (including his wife staying in NYC) because the Secret Service is having to secure rooms in his properties of which he hasn't divested himself. And his trips to Mar-a-Lago as opposed to using Camp David also cost local businesses money because so much gets shut down on the weekends he goes there. Here are a couple of articles on the topic:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...01b6b443624_story.html?utm_term=.1c48ed89cae1
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-mar-lago-taxpayers-234562
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/11/palm-beach-businesses-cost-trump-mar-a-lago
He's on his way to spend a lot of taxpayer money on trips - something he's lambasted Obama for.
 
Agreed. There are crazies on both ends of the spectrum. Most of us are in the middle. I will respect anyone whose political opinions differ from mine so long as those opinions are well-grounded in the Constitution. We are a nation of laws, not men. The checks and balances that exist among our branches of government exist for a reason. Franklin Roosevelt found out firsthand the power of the court system in this country. I suspect Trump is learning some of the same lessons. (By the way, does the University of Pennsylvania teach its students US History, Government and English?)

While the mid-term elections are almost two years away, I would not be surprised if Trump is challenged by a Democrat-controlled Senate during his last two years in office. My choice for president in 2020: Secretary of Defense Mattis. The bipartisan Senate confirmed the Secretary 99-1. Mattis respects the Constitution and he understands that our sons and daughters are not toy soldiers. Further, Mattis appreciates that the press is not an enemy of the people. I am confident that Mattis would agree that a leader who actively seeks to create discord among his followers and detractors is no friend to democracy.
As a UPenn grad defending its school:
Trump was a 3rd year transfer from Fordham, lol! Funny, Hillary was our class' commencement speaker. I don't think Penn will ask Trump?

Thank God for Sen. McCain!

Next time, I am voting for a Prez who doesn't golf & is single (no wives & kids) to save cost;)

Lastly, I really hope checks and balances are functioning properly. Feb is the 75 anniversary of Japanese-Americans who were rounded up & sent to internment camps.
 
Thank God for Sen. McCain!

Funny how we see things so differently. I have always been a fan of John McCain (GO NAVY), but he has as of late disappointed me greatly. If you're unhappy with your boss, would you go to a competitor's press conference and criticize him? His recent actions have been ill advised. If I were a constituent I would think twice about voting for him again.

And as much as I have respected him, I do agree that being shot down, captured, and held as a POW does not make one a hero. Selfless dedication and service does. He has been serving our nation for a long time, but I believe his intense hatred for our current President is contradictory to the teamwork we need to build a better country. I'm disappointed in him.

The left cheers on anything that hampers the President. I find that childish and vengeful. If you were a true fan of a sports team that was looking for a new coach, and your preferred applicant was not selected, would you hope the new coach would fail? Would you hope the team would struggle so that he'd be replaced? Would you celebrate your team's hardships and blame everything on the new coach?

And as a side note, I think any President that spends 10% of their days in office playing golf is neglectful... whether it's President Obama, Trump, Eisenhower or anyone else.
 
The left cheers on anything that hampers the President. I find that childish and vengeful. If you were a true fan of a sports team that was looking for a new coach, and your preferred applicant was not selected, would you hope the new coach would fail? Would you hope the team would struggle so that he'd be replaced? Would you celebrate your team's hardships and blame everything on the new coach?

And as a side note, I think any President that spends 10% of their days in office playing golf is neglectful... whether it's President Obama, Trump, Eisenhower or anyone else.

It's not childish and vengeful. People from many spots across the political spectrum -- not just the left! -- are extremely worried about a President who appears to be unstable, primarily self-interested, and mired in chaos. It's not about a preferred applicant not being selected -- it's about the selected applicant being unprepared for the job. Your inability to see the concerns as anything other than partisan seems like a bit of a blind spot.

And you're aware that it doesn't take an entire day to play a game of golf, right? It's not like on those days he didn't do anything else. He's a supremely disciplined guy. So yeah, I don't have a problem with any president taking 4 hours to go outside and play a game once every week or two.

I really can't believe that people still trot this out as a criticism.
 
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Maplerock, I suspect you might feel differently about McCain's heroism had you or your loved one spent those years as a POW.

As for your wish that the liberals would just fall in line and support a guy who has not earned their respect, please consider the following sage words of advice:

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." Thomas Jefferson

As a Republican who did not vote for Trump and who continues to look at the man with a jaundiced eye, I will continue to hope that he earns my respect. That said, I will join the bandwagon of malcontents when Trump disregards the Constitution, behaves like a bully, and spins false news. Glad to hear that you are drinking the Kool-Aid, but I, in turn, am exercising my Constitutional right (obligation) not to hero worship your guy.
I suspect Senator McCain would like to support his party's president, but when Trump does not respect the party or the media's right (obligation) to point out his falsehoods and publicly criticizes a military hero (you and I can agree to disagree on that one), I applaud McCain for speaking out against Trump.

As for the golf, in every week there are two days that comprise a weekend. That's approximately twenty-eight percent (rounding down) of a week. If the president of the US wants to spend ten percent of his time playing golf, more power to him (or her). I would rather have the president out playing golf than sitting in his bath robe sending out divisive, misspelled tweets.

We are on the same team, but that does not mean we follow our leaders blindly. Presidents come and go. This too will pass.
 
And as much as I have respected him [Sen. McCain], I do agree that being shot down, captured, and held as a POW does not make one a hero. Selfless dedication and service does.

I'll grant you a courtesy often afforded by my sweet old Southern Grandmother when someone acted or spoke out of profound, but not necessarily malicious, ignorance: "Bless you're little heart." Just don't count on the same courtesy from his fellow Hoa Lo prison mates and the survivors of those you don't make it. I didn't say Hanoi Hilton, because you might confuse it with an actual hotel.

"Selfless dedication and service?" He spent 5 1/2 years in captivity. Do you realize he was tortured specifically for refusing early release and accepting no favors denied other POW's whose fathers weren't Chief of US Military Operations in the Pacific? President Bone Spur surely didn't or doesn't.
 
Maplerock, I suspect you might feel differently about McCain's heroism had you or your loved one spent those years as a POW.

As for your wish that the liberals would just fall in line and support a guy who has not earned their respect, please consider the following sage words of advice:

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." Thomas Jefferson

As a Republican who did not vote for Trump and who continues to look at the man with a jaundiced eye, I will continue to hope that he earns my respect. That said, I will join the bandwagon of malcontents when Trump disregards the Constitution, behaves like a bully, and spins false news. Glad to hear that you are drinking the Kool-Aid, but I, in turn, am exercising my Constitutional right (obligation) not to hero worship your guy.
I suspect Senator McCain would like to support his party's president, but when Trump does not respect the party or the media's right (obligation) to point out his falsehoods and publicly criticizes a military hero (you and I can agree to disagree on that one), I applaud McCain for speaking out against Trump.

As for the golf, in every week there are two days that comprise a weekend. That's approximately twenty-eight percent (rounding down) of a week. If the president of the US wants to spend ten percent of his time playing golf, more power to him (or her). I would rather have the president out playing golf than sitting in his bath robe sending out divisive, misspelled tweets.

We are on the same team, but that does not mean we follow our leaders blindly. Presidents come and go. This too will pass.

Stealth81 has cautioned us all, so I'll keep it nice.

Kool Aid my gluteus. President Trump was not "my" choice, but he IS my president. He HAS my respect until he doesn't. He will never be good enough for the leftist radicals like yourself.

You must be hurting so bad from the election that you've abandoned all hope. That is sad.

Would you have been a happier, more supportive person had Hillary won? Would she have your immediate respect and cooperation? I suspect so.

I don't believe you're a Republican (which I am not), but I do believe the jaundiced part.
 
I'll grant you a courtesy often afforded by my sweet old Southern Grandmother when someone acted or spoke out of profound, but not necessarily malicious, ignorance: "Bless you're little heart." Just don't count on the same courtesy from his fellow Hoa Lo prison mates and the survivors of those you don't make it. I didn't say Hanoi Hilton, because you might confuse it with an actual hotel.

"Selfless dedication and service?" He spent 5 1/2 years in captivity. Do you realize he was tortured specifically for refusing early release and accepting no favors denied other POW's whose fathers weren't Chief of US Military Operations in the Pacific? President Bone Spur surely didn't or doesn't.
There is a lot of misinformation on the alt/far right about McCain that has been around for years. He voted against a Tea Party issue and it took off somehow. And if you want to see how bad these comments are, go to a Breitbart article on McCain and read the comments. It's sickening that a guy tortured can be raked through the coals by people who probably;y have never served (let alone got 5 deferments!). It's a weird phenomena that whenever a Republican doesn't toe the Tea Party line, they are a liberal, troll, traitor, RINO, etc. Yet, Trump got 5 deferments, has supported liberal issues, seems to want to stifle news networks - but he's a true patriot. I don't get it. Did his kids serve? Will Hannity's? At least's McCain, Bush, and Biden kids have served.
 
Majority of us are not against Trump. Just want a President who can think before he opens his mouth:( This is why kids need to READ! & watch less TV.

Patriotism comes in many forms.

End of the day, Americans want good jobs, food, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, quality education, and a safe country (no drugs, gun violence, & terrorism (committed by both Americans & foreign).
 
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For the sake of argument, 26 out of 45 Presidents served in the military. The last Rep was the George W. Bush. The last Dem was Jimmy Carter.
Info from VA.gov
 
The left cheers on anything that hampers the President. I find that childish and vengeful. If you were a true fan of a sports team that was looking for a new coach, and your preferred applicant was not selected, would you hope the new coach would fail? Would you hope the team would struggle so that he'd be replaced? Would you celebrate your team's hardships and blame everything on the new coach?

I guess this is what you mean.


Politics is the best example of the old saying, "Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house"

Do none of these people realize that it takes only seconds to find examples of them saying exactly the same things they are criticizing others for. It's been reality TV for a while, just that now we have signed it's biggest star.
 
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Stealth81 has cautioned us all, so I'll keep it nice.

Kool Aid my gluteus. President Trump was not "my" choice, but he IS my president. He HAS my respect until he doesn't. He will never be good enough for the leftist radicals like yourself.

You must be hurting so bad from the election that you've abandoned all hope. That is sad.

Would you have been a happier, more supportive person had Hillary won? Would she have your immediate respect and cooperation? I suspect so.

I don't believe you're a Republican (which I am not), but I do believe the jaundiced part.

Wow!
 
History, specifically the Venona intercepts, has proven McCarthy to have been correct about the communists and fellow travelers within the State Department and other government agencies. The real "witch hunt" was the one against him.

Let's hope we don't have to wait for the collapse of the Putin Enterprise to see what's in the Flynn, Manafort, Epshteyn, Stone, and Page Intercepts. Of course in Flynn's case there's plenty of video material on Russia Today's Youtube Channel.

Or the Cohen and Sater Intercepts...
 
26 out of 45 Presidents served in the military. The last Rep was the George W. Bush. The last Dem was Jimmy Carter.
Info from VA.gov

LTC Theodore Roosevelt (U.S. Army) is also the only U.S. President to have been awarded the MOH.
Source: http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/2178/roosevelt-theodore.php

As an aside, TR also said this about the press in 1918:

“Free speech, exercised both individually and through a free press, is a necessity in any country where the people are themselves free. Our Government is the servant of the people, whereas in Germany it is the master of the people. This is because the American people are free and the German people are not free."

Source:
https://jrbenjamin.com/2015/01/25/teddy-roosevelt-how-to-criticize-the-president/
 
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LTC Theodore Roosevelt (U.S. Army) is also the only U.S. President to have been awarded the MOH.
Source: http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/2178/roosevelt-theodore.php

As an aside, TR also said this about the press in 1918:

“Free speech, exercised both individually and through a free press, is a necessity in any country where the people are themselves free. Our Government is the servant of the people, whereas in Germany it is the master of the people. This is because the American people are free and the German people are not free."

Source:
https://jrbenjamin.com/2015/01/25/teddy-roosevelt-how-to-criticize-the-president/
Great comment for President's Day! I love TR. I think he's one of the greatest. Seven Presidents served during the Civil War. Eight served during WWII. Our wartime Presidents during WWI and WWII never served, yet you would have to say they were great wartime Presidents (IMHO). I don't think serving in the military bestows any special wisdom on Presidents. It's a nice to have but certainly not a requirement for good judgement with respect to the military. JMPO.
 
People expect our elected officials (and their spokespeople) to:

1) Be well-informed, speak truthfully from facts
2) Work TOGETHER with other elected officials from the opposition party to jointly move the country forward
3) Act professionally with the highest levels of personal integrity & ethical behavior, be a role model
4) Respect those who have a different point of view and work to reach a compromise
5) Present a clear/coherent agenda for the policies you want to pursue
6) Be a good listener, respect the rights of other to ask difficult/challenging questions

This isn't about who is liberal/conservative or who you might have voted for in the last election. Don't obfuscate the issue by badgering/bullying/discrediting someone who has a different point of view.

My 2cents worth on President's Day !!!!
 
As one more interesting aside for President's Day, here is a "Task & Purpose" article that lists the eight most Bad-A** U.S. Presidents starting with George Washington.
Interesting stuff!

Some excerpts:
  • George Washington - During the Whiskey Rebellion, he was the only President to have led troops into battle as The President!
  • Andrew Jackson fended off an assassin by beating the heck out him with his cane!
  • Ulysses Grant supposedly dragged a howitzer into a church steeple for more effective firepower.
  • Teddy Roosevelt - Was shot in the chest, the bullet stopped by an eyeglass case, and still went on to make his speech before seeking medical help.
  • JFK - After having his boat cut in half, he pulled a wounded man to safety by swimming and pulling him on a raft with a rope in his teeth.
http://taskandpurpose.com/8-presidents-badass-military-records/
 
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Food for thought on this President's Day:

George Washington Claimed He Never Chopped Down A Cherry Tree. . . . When confronted about it his claim by his father, George hesitated but told his father, “I cannot tell a lie.” George admitted to the crime. Instead of punishing George for chopping down the tree, his father said that his son's honesty was worth more than a thousand trees.

The quote itself may have been constructed by a biographer years later, but it still indicates honesty in the young boy who later became our first president, and still today is almost universally regarded as one of our most revered presidents.

Honesty remains one of this country's core values.
 
This article was prophetic - McMasters ended up being named to replace Flynn:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/20...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
I really enjoyed McMaster's book on Vietnam, and will be interested to see if he required the ability to pick all of his staff or if he'll be keeping McFarland - especially given how he wrote about the dereliction of duty among the Vietnam generals who wouldn't stand up to the civilian leaders.
 
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