2017 AFROTC Rated Selection Thread

What are your top two career choices?

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Humey said:
If you do get selected for ENJJPT, do you have accept and if not, does it look bad if you dont? The only reason I could see why you wouldnt want to accept is that you are now competing with the best of the best (Movie reference) which could be mean that while you may be a top 5 in UPT, you could be ranked #10 at ENJJPT. I guess it didnt matter when everyone was guaranteed a fighter\bomber spot, but now it could make a difference
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This may be a minor point, but I have seen this sentiment before and I would like to comment on it. While ENJJPT does have a slightly different syllabus then other UPT bases, it does not mean they necessarily produce better pilots. Getting accepted into ENJJPT, while it is an accomplishment, has zero reflection on that individuals ability as a pilot. #1 out of ENJJPT does not mean they are a better pilot then #1 out of Vance/Laughlin/Columbus. It means they were number one in their respective class at their respective base.

I have known people who applied to ENJJPT, got accepted, and turned it down. Why? Because they realized it is not what they wanted. Once you get wings, no one really cares what base you went to. They only care how good you are at your job.
 
a400831 said:
Humey said:
If you do get selected for ENJJPT, do you have accept and if not, does it look bad if you dont? The only reason I could see why you wouldnt want to accept is that you are now competing with the best of the best (Movie reference) which could be mean that while you may be a top 5 in UPT, you could be ranked #10 at ENJJPT. I guess it didnt matter when everyone was guaranteed a fighter\bomber spot, but now it could make a difference
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This may be a minor point, but I have seen this sentiment before and I would like to comment on it. While ENJJPT does have a slightly different syllabus then other UPT bases, it does not mean they necessarily produce better pilots. Getting accepted into ENJJPT, while it is an accomplishment, has zero reflection on that individuals ability as a pilot. #1 out of ENJJPT does not mean they are a better pilot then #1 out of Vance/Laughlin/Columbus. It means they were number one in their respective class at their respective base.

I have known people who applied to ENJJPT, got accepted, and turned it down. Why? Because they realized it is not what they wanted. Once you get wings, no one really cares what base you went to. They only care how good you are at your job.
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Humey said:
a400831 said:
Humey said:
If you do get selected for ENJJPT, do you have accept and if not, does it look bad if you dont? The only reason I could see why you wouldnt want to accept is that you are now competing with the best of the best (Movie reference) which could be mean that while you may be a top 5 in UPT, you could be ranked #10 at ENJJPT. I guess it didnt matter when everyone was guaranteed a fighter\bomber spot, but now it could make a difference
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This may be a minor point, but I have seen this sentiment before and I would like to comment on it. While ENJJPT does have a slightly different syllabus then other UPT bases, it does not mean they necessarily produce better pilots. Getting accepted into ENJJPT, while it is an accomplishment, has zero reflection on that individuals ability as a pilot. #1 out of ENJJPT does not mean they are a better pilot then #1 out of Vance/Laughlin/Columbus. It means they were number one in their respective class at their respective base.

I have known people who applied to ENJJPT, got accepted, and turned it down. Why? Because they realized it is not what they wanted. Once you get wings, no one really cares what base you went to. They only care how good you are at your job.
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What about ENJJPT would make someone not want it? Would it be because they would want to go Heavies? As for ENJJPT itself, I wasnt saying that they produce better pilots, but from what I read, you are competing against those in your class. Since ENJJPT is more selective in who they take in, you are competing against the people who did the best in all of the categories needed to get into a flight spot. In theory that should make them more competitive than those who got into UPT. Of course that could also mean that those in ENJJPT are smart, with Type A personalities who have crappy flight skills.
 
Remember that part of their score is the CoC ranking and their cgpa, neither of these have anything to do with handling the stick.

As others have stated, when you wing and go operational nobody cares where you went to UPT. Just like they don't care about your commissioning source, except for when it comes to ribbing each other in good jest. It is all about handling the stick. There is no more or no less respect about where you winged from....only pity if you say Del Rio (He!! Rio as it is known for its location).

ENJJPT is a great option, but I just hope people don't assume that it is a career maker.

Some don't want ENJJPT because they indeed want heavies, that being stated I would not understand why they would put their name in the pile for ENJJPT.

FWIW, I think all fliers that wing have a Type A personality. You have to impo. It will be no different when it comes to UPT at Columbus compared to ENJJPT. You will have the same long days of getting up at 5, academics/sims/flying until 4-5 p.m., come home, eat dinner and chair fly/study until 10 at night for 54 weeks. The IPs are no different, they will berate you just as much regarding your skills. Thus, you need that type A personality to survive 54 weeks of UPT when maybe for the 1st time in your life you are told your bowel movements do indeed stink!

If you are a parent, be prepared for whichever UPT base they attend, you will hope to only hear from them on a Sat. or Sunday. Mid-week phone calls will make you steel yourself...is this a good call or a bad one, especially when it comes to check sims/rides. It may mean they passed or they now have to do an 88 ride. It is the type A that can dust themselves off and say it was a bad day and move on.
 
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Humey said:
Humey said:
a400831 said:
Humey said:
If you do get selected for ENJJPT, do you have accept and if not, does it look bad if you dont? The only reason I could see why you wouldnt want to accept is that you are now competing with the best of the best (Movie reference) which could be mean that while you may be a top 5 in UPT, you could be ranked #10 at ENJJPT. I guess it didnt matter when everyone was guaranteed a fighter\bomber spot, but now it could make a difference
Click to expand...

This may be a minor point, but I have seen this sentiment before and I would like to comment on it. While ENJJPT does have a slightly different syllabus then other UPT bases, it does not mean they necessarily produce better pilots. Getting accepted into ENJJPT, while it is an accomplishment, has zero reflection on that individuals ability as a pilot. #1 out of ENJJPT does not mean they are a better pilot then #1 out of Vance/Laughlin/Columbus. It means they were number one in their respective class at their respective base.

I have known people who applied to ENJJPT, got accepted, and turned it down. Why? Because they realized it is not what they wanted. Once you get wings, no one really cares what base you went to. They only care how good you are at your job.
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What about ENJJPT would make someone not want it? Would it be because they would want to go Heavies? As for ENJJPT itself, I wasnt saying that they produce better pilots, but from what I read, you are competing against those in your class. Since ENJJPT is more selective in who they take in, you are competing against the people who did the best in all of the categories needed to get into a flight spot. In theory that should make them more competitive than those who got into UPT. Of course that could also mean that those in ENJJPT are smart, with Type A personalities who have crappy flight skills.
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The individual I know who turned it down decided after additional thought that they wanted to fly heavies. The large benefit a traditional UPT base gives you over ENJJPT is more options. A classmate of mine initially wanted T38's and fighters. After starting T6's, he discovered he loved the navigation portion of the syllabus the most. When it comes to track day, he put down T1's. He rocked T1's and got his #1 choice (C21 to Germany). This would not have been an option at ENJJPT. ENJJPT has a lot of pro's, but I feel that the benefit of options provided by a regular UPT base is often overlooked.

And you are correct, ENJJPT generally gets the top individuals in the categories needed to get a pilot slot. Does that actually translate into better pilots? I do not know.

Another point I see brought up a lot is that all flyers (especially in the fighter community) have Type A personalities. I tend to agree with this, but I think the general perception of what constitutes "Type A" individuals is not accurate. The classic Type A stereotype is someone who tends to be very vocal and outspoken, slightly cocky, ect... Thats not the Type A it takes to do well in UPT. The one common factor between those who do well in the program is a good work ethic, not letting mistakes snowball, trying not to make the same mistake twice, and not accepting average as "good enough". I think thats a better look at the Type A personality it takes to succeed in UPT. Just like Pima said, the ability to learn from a bad day and push forward is a huge factor
 
Wound up getting ENJJPT, if anyone has questions hmu. If at all helpful, here are my final stats:

PFA: 100
FT: 6/19
RSS: 1/12
PCSM: 78 (83 AFOQT pilot - - 81.1 hrs logged)
Cum. GPA: 3.88
 
Bird12 said:
Wound up getting ENJJPT, if anyone has questions hmu. If at all helpful, here are my final stats:

PFA: 100
FT: 6/19
RSS: 1/12
PCSM: 78 (83 AFOQT pilot - - 81.1 hrs logged)
Cum. GPA: 3.88
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Do you know if OM updates after the rated board are considered for ENJJPT?
 
@Fly2Win I don't know if one can alter other elements of the OM, but I added a few flying hrs after the initial (Feb) board and retook the TBAS. Other than PCSM my numbers stayed the same.
 
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