Thank you. Although the plan was to receive a pilot slot off the main Feb board, I will stay hopeful for the supplemental board in September. Since I have friends who received slots with lower scores (in all areas) than mine, I do want to confirm that the true scores were sent up to the board. Any other advice from you (or the rest of the forum) would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for the responses.
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Thank you. Although the plan was to receive a pilot slot off the main Feb board, I will stay hopeful for the supplemental board in September. Since I have friends who received slots with lower scores (in all areas) than mine, I do want to confirm that the true scores were sent up to the board. Any other advice from you (or the rest of the forum) would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for the responses.
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Any boost to your PCSM (a few more flying hrs or a TBAS retake), GPA, or PFA between now and the supplemental boards is the way to go. You're probably right at the cutoff, so keep swinging!
I apologize , I got confused with the average Enjjpt scores
Just looked back at the old averages cause I was curious. Two years ago there were 345 pilot selects, now there is almost twice as many pilots with half the amount of RPAs. Interesting shift...
Saddle up for a year+ on casual status, especially with the T6 still grounded for almost a month.
Saddle up for a year+ on casual status, especially with the T6 still grounded for almost a month.
Which is sort of crappy . All that causal time doesn’t count for their time commitment
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Where did you find the enjjpt select averages?
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These numbers are from the most recent ENJJPT board.
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How did you do on the NAV section on the AFOQT? Maybe you did so well the boards decided to take you as a CSO instead of Pilot. I am not sure if this is correct thinking, but it could have played a role. I hope everything works out and you end up getting a pilot slot, it sounds like you earned one with your scores.
Nav was 59, pilot 72. There is speculation that since I put medium as CSO I was slotted as CSO. I really wish I did not put medium for that position. I can remain on the alternate list for pilot but I do not know if I need to accept or deny my CSO slot. I’ve heard that if I dent my CSO slot, I will be removed from the pilot alternate list and can never apply for a pilot slot again. On the other hand, if I accept CSO and do not get bumped up to pilot I will be stuck in a position I do not want to do. Really is a rock and a hard place situation.
I dont know how it works, but I would assume you put pilot first. For whatever reason they didnt offer you pilot so they went to your next choice which was CSO. Regardless of what how you ranked them they would have given you the next job on the list. I guess if you had put low next all of the rest, they could have gone with CSO, RPA or ABM. Since you put them in low on your list, i would imagine you wouldnt have been happy if they given you those either. I dont think they would have thought to themselves, "this guy only wants pilot and since we arent going to give it to him, lets not give him a rated job". When you applied for a rated position, your open yourself to any rated position. By the way, there is no law that says you have to take CSO . I think the problem is that they will never allow you to get another rated position.
People who have engineering degrees are usually more prepared for the demand and rigor of military flight training. True, basket weavers can make just as good of a pilot, but someone whose been accustomed to devoting dozens of hours a week to the books for the past 4/5 years of their life is likely to perform better (at least academically) than someone whose been partying their way through school for the same amount of time.
Yes, but that would also apply to a history majors who do a lot of reading. In other words, its not the major itself, but ability to study and learn. I would assume a biology major would have the same skills as an enginner in terms of rigor of learning .
Most studies have found that on average, engineers spend the most time per week in the books compared with their non-engineering counterparts. But I believe where the true advantage comes in is that by its own nature, engineering requires the understanding (not just memorization) of a great deal of technical info in a short time period. And, while definitely not as technical as engineering, flying also requires the person to have a decent handle on mathematics and similar concepts. Like I said, obviously not everyone who is an engineer will make a great pilot, and not everyone who is not an engineer will make a bad pilot.
I had the same preferences with similar scores and still got Pilot. Something else is definitely wrong with your case. Did you verify your package with cadre? Usually for rated they compete you for high interest, then medium interest, then low. So based on your preferences and the assumption that the selection process hasn't changed you got denied from pilot. It's possible they are pulling high ranked cadets into other positions to get quality spread around but that's purely hypothetical since it has never been done that way for rated.
I am in the process of verifying my package with cadre. I have heard that that is how they decide rated positions (evaluating high interest, to medium, to low one by one) but also speculated that spreading quality around is maybe why I was selected for CSO. It is good to know that that is not how it has been done in the past. I am hopeful that respectfully bringing the issue to cadre's attention will work in my favor, but I understand that it is a big Air Force with it's own needs and strategies to fulfill those needs...which do not have to be explained to me. With that being said I will be denying the CSO position I have been offered.
It is good to know that I (probably) did not backstab myself by putting CSO medium. However I do understand that I am not forced into CSO and will be denying that position. I believe it is too great a risk to accept CSO with the hope of being picked from the alternate list for pilot. If I am not picked up for pilot, I will be of course stuck with CSO which I did not want. At least this is the way I understand it (correct me if I am wrong...).
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I think u are correct . I could be mistaken , but you won’t be able to apply for a pilot spot if you don’t accept CSO
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I understand the disappointment in not getting a pilot slot. I would like to ask though why you're so against being a CSO. The CSO gets to fly in the same planes and go to the same places as a pilot. Going to CSO school you will get to choose (compete for) different airframes depending on what you want. There is everything from being a back-seater on an F-15E, to being a defensive or offensive weapons officer on a B-1, to sitting at a computer screen on an E-8 collecting intel. Think about that before you lock yourself out of a rated position forever. And, if you excel as a CSO there is still a chance to apply for pilot in a few years. My uncle (USAFA Class of 1963) went to pilot training, washed out of the F-100 pipeline, and was re-assigned as a radar navigator on a BUFF. He ended up loving it and retired after 24 years, then went on to work for Raytheon as a contractor because he knew the systems so well.
I know you have your own preferences, I am just trying to make sure you've thought all the way through it before you deny the CSO job.
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I know you have your own preferences, I am just trying to make sure you've thought all the way through it before you deny the CSO job.
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If you got CSO with a medium and lost a Pilot with a hig
CSO in training here...Don't be too disappointed in getting a CSO slot. I was in the same boat as you and being here has really changed my mind. We have the opportunity to go to great places with CSO, can do some really badass stuff, and go to some really great locations! Hell, nearly half of the planes that we can drop are AFSOC! I'm of the firm belief that Pensacola is the most beautiful and fun training base in the AF. White sand beaches, temps above the 60s year round, Blue Angels flying above your head twice a week, and Destin, Hurlburt, Eglin, Biloxi, and New Orleans are all within 3 hours of driving...you can't beat that! If you have any questions about the program feel free to send me a PM.
Edit: I'd seriously reconsider turning the CSO slot down and believe you'd have a higher chance of getting to pilot through this route anyways.