School walkout

It is quite demeaning to think that students who are of the age to be applying to the nation’s military academies are not capable of independent thought and evaluation of sources. The parkland students in particular have firsthand knowledge of a mass shooting. Some of the information posted on this thread, however, has been completely inaccurate and easily debunked. ( see Switzerland)
 
And please explain why you put voting in quotations. It is a right for all U.S. citizens over 18.
 
xyz321 said:
It is quite demeaning to think that students who are of the age to be applying to the nation’s military academies are not capable of independent thought and evaluation of sources. The parkland students in particular have firsthand knowledge of a mass shooting. Some of the information posted on this thread, however, has been completely inaccurate and easily debunked. ( see Switzerland)
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And yet, you'd have them not mature enough to purchase or possess certain firearms until they are 21. If they aren't mature enough to purchase or possess a certain firearm, how could they possibly be mature enough to opine and vote on whether I should have one?
 
xyz321 said:
It is quite demeaning to think that students who are of the age to be applying to the nation’s military academies are not capable of independent thought and evaluation of sources. The parkland students in particular have firsthand knowledge of a mass shooting. Some of the information posted on this thread, however, has been completely inaccurate and easily debunked. ( see Switzerland)
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They have all the right to protest and believe what they want. I completely agree they have first hand knowledge on mass shootings. That however, doesnt make them experts on gun laws and the second amendment. Their argument is security which I dont deny is extremely important. However, do we pay for security by limiting our freedoms.
 
They don’t have to be experts. Few people are. They are all entitled to their opinions. And deserve to be respected in their right to express then, whether one agrees or not. That is the essence of protest. That right is a defining characteristic of a democracy.
 
xyz321 said:
As interesting as debating gun control with adults might be, the take home point here is that the kids have had #enough. good for them for exercising their first amendment rights and trying to positively effect change. It doesn’t matter to them what you think. They think those defending the NRA are not defending them. And many of them will vote in November. And those that can’t will vote in 2020
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xyz321 said:
It is quite demeaning to think that students who are of the age to be applying to the nation’s military academies are not capable of independent thought and evaluation of sources.
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The problem is not that these kids (and yes they are children with a lot to learn about life) are protesting. The problem is the manner in which they are doing it. Not too long ago, students who pulled this stunt would have been detained by truancy officers, and rightly so. But since the schools’ administration/teaching staff thinks gun control is a good thing, they’re more than willing to let them off the hook. What’s funny is every time a gun control measure does pass, I don’t see any walkouts from those students who are against gun control.

What’s more disturbing is that there are students who are academy candidates that are seriously considering actually participating in this. If they’re willing to walk out of school when they’re attending public high schools that the taxpayer funds, what makes you think that they won’t have that same attitude when they get to one of the academies? Are they going to just walk out of class there too when they don’t agree with policy or politics? Frankly, that shows poor judgement on their part when it comes to education. I wouldn’t want that type of person attending any US service academy and I certainly don’t want to serve alongside them in my military.
 
The whole point of protest is to make people uncomfortable enough to pay attention. These students will have to accept the consequences of their actions. If they walk out of class at an academy those consequences may include hours and demerits. What qualifies you to determine their judgment? Would you feel the same way if their opinion matched yours? The people who stood on the Edmund Petros bridge accepted some significant consequences
 
If students wish to "protest" something, then let them; but not during school hours. See how many real "protesters" show up on their own time.

Too much political and social indoctrination going on in public schools now. The country hasn't "changed" to the extent that now we have weekly mass shootings because we have fairly open gun laws. We have always had 2nd amendment rights and fairly open gun laws. The country has changed because our values have, and I am not talking about "Christian values", but virtues like honesty, respect, hard work, self reliance and discipline, treating others decently, and "character" in general. Most of us are fortunate to have children who generally appreciate these things more than most in their age group; but really that "fortune" is, like good fortune in general, earned by doing things properly ourselves so that our kids learn these values and act accordingly. Some politicians and media folks think "it takes a village to raise a child". Others know that good parents own the responsibility to teach good values and character to their children, and don't rely on others to do so.

......but I digress.
 
xyz321 said:
They don’t have to be experts. Few people are. They are all entitled to their opinions. And deserve to be respected in their right to express then, whether one agrees or not. That is the essence of protest. That right is a defining characteristic of a democracy.
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Of course they dont have to be experts, but the point of their protest isnt just to be upset about the shooting but rather they want gun laws to change based on their experiences. When you have the media interviewing them, they take every statement as fact and truth because of what they experienced. I watched GMA in the morning interviewing some of the students and they reacted to the students commments as if the Dalai Lama was speaking. I am not even saying we shouldnt take their opinion and experience into account, but they dont have the final say on of what happens to guns. Again I have no issue with the kids protesting. For all i care, they can protest from 8am in the morining to 8 at night. As long as they dont stop traffic they can protest guns and gun deaths all they want. I guess I am saying is that they dont get to decide gun laws because of the experience.
 
brovol said:
If students wish to "protest" something, then let them; but not during school hours. See how many real "protesters" show up on their own time.

Too much political and social indoctrination going on in public schools now. The country hasn't "changed" to the extent that now we have weekly mass shootings because we have fairly open gun laws. We have always had 2nd amendment rights and fairly open gun laws. The country has changed because our values have, and I am not talking about "Christian values", but virtues like honesty, respect, hard work, self reliance and discipline, treating others decently, and "character" in general. Most of us are fortunate to have children who generally appreciate these things more than most in their age group; but really that "fortune" is, like good fortune in general, earned by doing things properly ourselves so that our kids learn these values and act accordingly. Some politicians and media folks think "it takes a village to raise a child". Others know that good parents own the responsibility to teach good values and character to their children, and don't rely on others to do so.

......but I digress.
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Bravo...@brovol...:groupwave:
 
Very few of the kids walking out have strong feelings. In fact, I suspect a great deal of coaching is being done by parents. Kids love to buck the system and many are followers eager to be led.

That being said, a seventeen minute walkout will accomplish nothing. A day long protest would blow over quicklyas well. If these kids really want change, and they are focused upon making a difference, they need to think bigger. If they all walked out and vowed never to return until congress acts, Congress would act. It might take two weeks, a month, or six months... but they would act. Yes, it would delay graduations, alter college plans, upset sports schedules and more... but if their goal is really to revolutionize gun control and save lives, wouldn't it be worth it?

But, like most things in society, people are committed to causes only as long as it is convenient.
 
xyz321 said:
What qualifies you to determine their judgment? Would you feel the same way if their opinion matched yours?
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As a matter of fact, I would feel the same way. Children who put ditching school (for any reason) above their own education obviously have a lot to learn about life. But like I said in my previous post, when was the last time you saw pro-gun students walk out of school? Oh let me see, probably... NEVER.
 
This!!!
Please, if nothing else, think about this! Due process is such an important right as individuals. Seriously.

About the only "common sense" regulations are Gun Violence Restraining Orders, which are good in theory, but usually make a mockery of Constitutional due process requirements.
 
Tex232 said:
As a matter of fact, I would feel the same way. Children who put ditching school (for any reason) above their own education obviously have a lot to learn about life. But like I said in my previous post, when was the last time you saw pro-gun students walk out of school? Oh let me see, probably... NEVER.
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No , they don’t walk out. They just occasionally use their guns to kill other students.
 
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