Straight Deck vs. Logistics and Security

Nah. . .eat Z Burgers and ooze out drool during Eastwood's English class. . . .
You don't need Z Burgers for that.

It took me 8 weeks of a 10 week quarter to figure out there was a lesson in his ramblings about Star Trek and Dianne the B----. He probably didn't talk about Star Trek in your day, I don't think that came on until later ...
 
Nah. . .eat Z Burgers and ooze out drool during Eastwood's English class. . . .
You don't need Z Burgers for that.

It took me 8 weeks of a 10 week quarter to figure out there was a lesson in his ramblings about Star Trek and Dianne the B----. He probably didn't talk about Star Trek in your day, I don't think that came on until later ...

I don't recall much of his class, other than it was easily the WORST one to schedule after lunch. . . and one time I lifted my head off of my desk to see that everyone else was out. . . and he just continued rambling. . . .
 
I'm trying to figure out what major ill be doing at KP. While I'm leaning towards Deck, I personally don't know the difference/benefits from doing one or the other. If anyone that is more knowledgeable on this subject id love some insight/recommendations!

Thank you

Beat Coast Guard!
No brainer ... logistics and security makes you far more employable when/if you decide to come ashore. Also much more attractive to grad schools (similar to the engineering programs ... which are more rigorous).
 
No brainer ... logistics and security makes you far more employable when/if you decide to come ashore. Also much more attractive to grad schools (similar to the engineering programs ... which are more rigorous).

Please for the love of god provide a shred of evidence that there is any truth to this.
 
Please for the love of god provide a shred of evidence that there is any truth to this.

It absolutely doesn't make you more employable...but I can tell that beyond was a straight deck major because he's so defensive about this.
 
Please for the love of god provide a shred of evidence that there is any truth to this.

It absolutely doesn't make you more employable...but I can tell that beyond was a straight deck major because he's so defensive about this.
Maybe but he's also a realist ... I concur with his statements/assessments/questions and I'm not deck anything.
 
It absolutely doesn't make you more employable...but I can tell that beyond was a straight deck major because he's so defensive about this.

Damn right I am. But I made that choice because I knew it wouldn't have any bearing on anything down the road except for what was printed on my diploma.
 
Please for the love of god provide a shred of evidence that there is any truth to this.

It absolutely doesn't make you more employable...but I can tell that beyond was a straight deck major because he's so defensive about this.
Maybe but he's also a realist ... I concur with his statements/assessments/questions and I'm not deck anything.

I also concurred with it not making a difference. I would honestly say that any deck major, whether it be logistics or straight is useless. What may be useful, I guess, is the license in a market with available jobs for 3rd officers.
 
I also concurred with it not making a difference. I would honestly say that any deck major, whether it be logistics or straight is useless. What may be useful, I guess, is the license in a market with available jobs for 3rd officers.
I would disagree pretty strongly.

I don't have hard evidence to cite but I would bet my bottom dollar that you will find a significant shoreside employability difference between deck academy grads and deck hawsepipers.
 
I would disagree pretty strongly.

I don't have hard evidence to cite but I would bet my bottom dollar that you will find a significant shoreside employability difference between deck academy grads and deck hawsepipers.

I agree 100%. Undergraduate degrees aren't about learning stuff, it's about proving you can learn stuff. A B.S. from KP is simply a validation of you as a human being, it isn't about the boat skills, it's about the fact that you could make it through four years of BS and get a B.S.
 
I also concurred with it not making a difference. I would honestly say that any deck major, whether it be logistics or straight is useless. What may be useful, I guess, is the license in a market with available jobs for 3rd officers.
I would disagree pretty strongly.

I don't have hard evidence to cite but I would bet my bottom dollar that you will find a significant shoreside employability difference between deck academy grads and deck hawsepipers.

That would be shoreside employability after sailing on that license and upgrading to at least the chief mate level. What shore side employability does a fresh deck major have? Flipping burgers?
 
That would be shoreside employability after sailing on that license and upgrading to at least the chief mate level. What shore side employability does a fresh deck major have? Flipping burgers?

Candidate A - USMMA Graduate, BS Marine Transportation, Licensed Master, 10 years licensed seagoing employment with 4 years as C/M
Candidate B - HS Graduate, ,Licensed Master, 20 years seagoing employment with 6 years as AB, 14 years licensed deck officer with 4 years as C/M

Do you honestly think both above candidates have the same shoreside employment opportunities?
 
That would be shoreside employability after sailing on that license and upgrading to at least the chief mate level. What shore side employability does a fresh deck major have? Flipping burgers?

My Cargo superintendent yesterday was a 17'r who I knew from school.... so plenty.
 
That would be shoreside employability after sailing on that license and upgrading to at least the chief mate level. What shore side employability does a fresh deck major have? Flipping burgers?
Is this even a serious? Marine insurance, chartering and brokerage, cargo surveyor, port/terminal ops, logistics/freight traffic management, vessel agent....
 
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