Rejection from USNA 2022

I have read many threads and understand the sentiments of disappointment and heart broken stories from excellent well prepared candidates. I can’t compare DS to them because from the time knowing and preparing for USNA was less than a year. DS was lucky enough to have academic and most of the leadership under his belt while preparing for the Congress-Bundestag Youth Exchange program. However we had to pull out due to terrorist problems in Europe in 2016. We did not have time to do research about USNA and relied mostly on this informative forum. After DS status became CPR in 1/2018 and the waiting was long until 4/6 it became TWE. I am not disappointed since it just proved my suspicion was correct about his BGO. BGO kept dropping hints but we did not get it. Here are the hints have hidden in his stories which BGO shared with us since DS does not play team sports:
1. Riffle as single sport (son does varsity golf)
2. Enlisted or ROTC
3. CFA until max out the worst score.

While waiting for status change I did some math and comparison from USNA class statistics from 2018-2021 the theme is very consistent (numbers are estimated):
- Appointments: 1300-1400
- Class size: 1150-1200
- Navy Prep school: 200-225
- Foundation and other prep school: 40-60
- At least 6 months of study at colleges or others: 69-102( most likely are reapplicant).

-Assuming most of the appointments are from principle nominations: 640 (congressional/senatorial/presidential/vice)
-appointments from prep schools and colleges: 335(estimated)
Total: 975

There is about 1300-975= 325 slots left for LOA and national pool. However, I feel strongly that the slots for National pool is less than 200 spots for at least 4000 CPR candidates. At this point all bets are off the table. Personal statement will not be read again because if it did not give a good impression for LOA the first time it is not significant. I doubt GPA, class valedictorian, high SAT/ACT scores do not play an important role at this time. I put everything on the sports and CFA along with geography, and ethnicity subgroup comparison.


For future class 2023: thinking about riffle shooting for single sport. Repeat CFA as many as you can to get better scores each time. Taking as many SAT/ACT scores while in high school if your school pays for it and you must prepare prior taking the exams. Of course you still have to meet other requirements and always think that you can do better. May the force on your side.

As for my DS, he will have more chance as reapplicant. He will go to UW and join NROTC. He won’t apply for NROTC scholarships since we have college planing for him long ago plus other merit scholarships that will be enough. If he would apply and receive appointment for class 2023 at USNA, our relatives will be heart broken but he will follow his dream. If no appointment then, DS will finish up undergrad then move on to medical school. After finishing up residency training DS can perform his active duties as a physician. if he would like to try surface warfare, he could try for couple years before going to medical school then resume active duties after residency training. DS would have the best of both world if he does NROTC than USNA. My doc friend’s hubby was NROTC then SEAL and now English professor. So to all TWE is probably a blessing.

Sorry for a very long thread but my goal is to provide option: Medical School. All these kids have the tenacity in their DNAs. We need more of you, the nation needs more of you as medical doctors. Don’t let the 4 years of medical school deter you, every day it is different and changes requiring solutions and innovation. Parents should be proud of DD/DS achievement and do please planting the medical school seed in their mind now as an option for them. Best wishes to all TWE candidates.
 
Weird Post or is it just me? Relatives will be heartbroken? All DD's relatives were over joyed when she got LOA. DS applied twice without any advantage for first time application and did not make it the second time. Like Medical School is a given ?
 
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Try SWO for a couple of years and if DS doesn't like it just move on?
 
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Weird Post or is it just me? Relatives will be heartbroken? All DD's relatives were over joyed when she got LOA. DS applied twice without any advantage for first time application and did not make it the second time. Like Medical School is a given ?
With their determination and assuming highly competitive academically in high school, they should not have problem preparing for medical in the colleges with mostly As average. Then taking MCAT with high scores I see no reason why they can not apply to the medical schools.
 
I did not apply for NROTC, which in retrospect, I definitely should have. I said that I would definitely take prep school, but unfortunately I think I am ineligible for it because I have good grades.

I will definitely be reapplying next year, as well as getting involved with the ROTC program at my future school.

Thank you so much, I will not stop chasing that butter bar.
 
I did not apply for NROTC, which in retrospect, I definitely should have.

I will not speculate what the effect of, or weight given to, application for NROTC scholarships, but as a BGO, that is an indication to me of the desire and motivation to become a Naval Officer vs. an interest in USNA for other reasons. If you truly want to become a Naval Officer, there is no excuse not to apply for a NROTC scholarship --you aren't bound or committed by applying or receiving the scholarship, and as many have recognized on this forum...it opens the door to some great Plan B's and possible reapplication to USNA.
 
I did not apply for NROTC, which in retrospect, I definitely should have. I said that I would definitely take prep school, but unfortunately I think I am ineligible for it because I have good grades.

I will definitely be reapplying next year, as well as getting involved with the ROTC program at my future school.

Thank you so much, I will not stop chasing that butter bar.
The stigma that everyone who goes to naps has bad grades needs to disappear. I have a 4.2 gpa from a top high school, good test scores, state champ in my sport, and am going to NAPS. It is such a blessing and I choose not to speculate, but it’s a pet peeve of mine when people assume I and others are going because we are unacademic.
 
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I am ineligible for it because I have good grades.

My DD was a Foundation student. She had one B+ in high school (AP CHEM), graduated 6th in her class etc, etc. Her prep school year was such a blessing and she will be forever grateful for the Foundation to have had a gap year to take other classes like AP BC Calc and AP Mechanical Physics. She tested out of all USNA Chem classes as well as Calc 1 and 2 among others. I agree with navy2022VA that NAPS and Foundation students are not all students with a low GPA or bad test scores, sometimes it's just a matter of a full slate from your district.
 
What’s a “riffle”? Are they hard to shoot?
Sorry for terminology, I don’t know exact term for that high school sport.

You just have it spelled wrong. It's rifle with one F. But that was kind of funny. I giggled a bit. I am going to assume English is not your first language, if so, you did well enough explaining your point;-)
 
I did not apply for NROTC, which in retrospect, I definitely should have. I said that I would definitely take prep school, but unfortunately I think I am ineligible for it because I have good grades.

I will definitely be reapplying next year, as well as getting involved with the ROTC program at my future school.

Thank you so much, I will not stop chasing that butter bar.
The stigma that everyone who goes to naps has bad grades needs to disappear. I have a 4.2 gpa from a top high school, good test scores, state champ in my sport, and am going to NAPS. It is such a blessing and I choose not to speculate, but it’s a pet peeve of mine when people assume I and others are going because we are unacademic.

I agree, my DS received an appointment to USMAPS already while his classmate received a direct appointment and my DS's stats are all around much better than his classmate. But I personally would prefer that my DS have this year at prep to make the transition easier next year. Still waiting to hear from USNA, but actually hoping for a NAPS appointment.
 
I agree, my DS received an appointment to USMAPS already while his classmate received a direct appointment and my DS's stats are all around much better than his classmate. But I personally would prefer that my DS have this year at prep to make the transition easier next year. Still waiting to hear from USNA, but actually hoping for a NAPS appointment.

I'm with you on that. It can be overwhelming for some that are not accustomed to change....

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Any insight on when most attrition occurs? First year, I bet?

Funny, 1300ish offers of appointment to fill a class of 1150ish that they can expect to graduate about 1050ish. So the graduation number must kind of reflect the "real" needs of the Navy. Otherwise it seems they could start with about 10% bigger class size.
 
The stigma that everyone who goes to naps has bad grades needs to disappear.

The original purpose of NAPs is to provide a means for helping prior enlisted personal get prepared for the rigors of USNA academics. A secondary purpose to help prepare otherwise highly qualified candidates prepare for admission to USNA. (Actually, one could argue that is the third reason now, as NAPS is increasingly used for admitting recruited athletes, but that is a whole different discussion). NAPS /Foundation is not intended to be a way to get the runner up into USNA; there are plenty of runners up, and plenty of successful re-applicants.

No one (but the Admissions Board itself) knows for sure what gets a candidate steered to NAPS or Foundation, but the common perception is that its grades. In fact, I recall the NAPS Academic Dean giving us the speech that we were at NAPS because the Admissions Board had determined we were not prepared academically, and that even with NAPS we would be behind our classmates academically. (It was one of those look left, look right, one of you isn't going to make it type speeches). This is a kindler, gentler world now, and I'm sure they don't make the speech any longer, but the truth is, the principal purpose of NAPS is academic preparation.

If you are one of the persons who is academically qualified, but was selected for NAPS for some other reason, it should be a cake walk and you will find yourself a step ahead of your classmates next year. Personally, I thought I was fully qualified and had a good academic record, but I literally got my butt kicked academically at NAPS. Graduation was in doubt until about this time of the year. However, I learned from the experience, and turned it around . . Instead of questioning why I went to NAPS, I embraced it...and have often used the line that "USAFA thought I was too stupid, so did Navy, but they sent me to NAPS.." I say that tongue in cheek because I did pretty well at USNA (graduated with merit), and don't mean to disparage anyone going to NAPS. As I have said here many times before, it turned out to be the best thing that happened to me , and I am a big fan of NAPS.
 
87.50% for men, 88.60% for women, giving USNA an 87.75% overall graduation rate.

Only Yale, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Harvard, Dartmouth, and Princeton had numbers higher, that year.
The national average was 59%.
 
I don't know a lot about NAPS or the Foundation, but I know it helped my husband become a Navy grad. When he was applying in the 80's, he broke his ankle at some point during the application process. The foundation paid for him to attend William and Mary for a year with the understanding he had to reapply, get accepted and accept the appointment or else pay them back for that year of school. Or at least that's how the story has been told to me. He is incredibly grateful for that opportunity and had a fulfilling 21 year career as a Marine.
 
To start off, I am actually not in NROTC or the corps of cadets. My major is National Security and Foreign Affairs, a tier 3 major. Being a tier three major at a technical school (engineers everywhere), I felt as if my best interest would be to go to OCS after graduation if the USNA doesn't work out. With that being said, about half of my classes are cadets, and I am friends with plenty of them. They love having a mixture of a strict military regiment and a large scale university that just so happens to have the best sports teams in Virginia :D (not UVA). In comparison to the other senior military colleges, I would say that it is definitely a lot less strict and not quite as harsh. As for why I love it, the campus is the second most beautiful in the country (behind USNA of course), the students have an amazing sense of school pride, that really makes you feel at home with one another, and of course the sports teams are just the icing on the cake. If your DS ends up here, I promise he'll love it (and so will you). If you want more specific answers about the corps, DM me and I can explain in further detail. Good luck!
How can you possibly comment on the VTCC when you are not a member? My DS is a member of the VTCC and is an MS1 on a 4 yr Army ROTC scholarship, General Engineering major. He also was denied by both USNA and USMA last year. He absolutely loves VT and being in the Corps. He did not reapply to NA or WP, and personally has regrets. I would urge your child to do an overnight visit at VT and he/she will be paired with a freshman in the Corps. That way your kid can make an informed decision.
 
My DD loved the tour of Va Tech last week. We saw Texas A and M, University of Texas-Austin, University of New Orleans and Va. Tech. Next month, We are seeing Va. Tech for a 2nd time and also seeing Ga. Tech for the 2nd time, plus touring Purdue, University of Michigan and Univ. of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign. DD's NROTC scholarship has been placed at Ga. Tech (and DD is an Early Action admit there already). DD has been admitted to all the mentioned schools (except Va. Tech who will release decisions 3/5). Her #1 still remains USNA, of course! But she has a lot of great choices!
Ann Arbor is a dump, in spite of the University's academics being top shelf. Take it from a long-time resident of southeast Michigan.
 
How can you possibly comment on the VTCC when you are not a member? My DS is a member of the VTCC and is an MS1 on a 4 yr Army ROTC scholarship, General Engineering major. He also was denied by both USNA and USMA last year. He absolutely loves VT and being in the Corps. He did not reapply to NA or WP, and personally has regrets. I would urge your child to do an overnight visit at VT and he/she will be paired with a freshman in the Corps. That way your kid can make an informed decision.
Whoops I meant has no regrets
 
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