I am new here and work in the Army ROTC Recruiting World.

I think your son should wait until he doesnt get invited to field training

@VMI2020 Dad already stated in a prior post that his DS was not offered a field training spot.
Source: https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/vmi-rotc-crossroads.61463/
"will likely not get a commission with the AF as their focus is on filling tech slots" This is what he wrote. Will not likely doesnt mean he wont. It sounds to me like he assumed he wont get one because he isnt a tech major.
 
If anyone can give me some pointers. My son was filling out one of the ROTC scholarship apps but as soon as he got his nomination it all stopped down and he never finished it. So i know submitting it for freshman year is a wash but if he does ROTC in the fall can he apply for next year? He wanted to do NROTC but UNT only has AF or Army.
If I'm understanding you, your son is about to graduate HS and enroll at UNT as a freshman in the fall? If so there's no longer an 'application process' but still lots of opportunities left to earn a 3 year campus-based AROTC scholarship. He needs to contact the Recruiting Operations Officer for UNT's Army ROTC program (should find it easily with a google search) and they will likely start considering him for a 3 year campus-based scholarship before he even arrives on campus (covers his sophomore year onward). If he's not offered a scholarship before school starts there's still absolutely no reason to be discouraged, just enroll in their MS101 course and compete for the 3 year scholarships that will will become available to UNT throughout his freshman year - they still cover sophomore year onward just like 3 year national scholarships and 3 year campus-based scholarships offered over the summer. If he still doesn't have one by the end of his freshman year and he still wants to be an Army officer just stick with it! There is still a possibility he will be offered a 3 year CB scholarship at the beginning of his sophomore year that covers that semester onward.

He should also understand that MANY ROTC cadets are not on scholarship. Some join the ARNG or USAR and enjoy the extra benefits of Simultaneous Membership Program, and a few just contract in a non-scholarship status and receive the monthly stipend and a great career ahead of them when they commission.
 
I think your son should wait until he doesnt get invited to field training

@VMI2020 Dad already stated in a prior post that his DS was not offered a field training spot.
Source: https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/vmi-rotc-crossroads.61463/
"will likely not get a commission with the AF as their focus is on filling tech slots" This is what he wrote. Will not likely doesnt mean he wont. It sounds to me like he assumed he wont get one because he isnt a tech major.

Yes I realize now my post did not include all the information. AROTC-dad linked to my other thread that had all the other info, including the fact that my DS did not get an EA.
 
If anyone can give me some pointers. My son was filling out one of the ROTC scholarship apps but as soon as he got his nomination it all stopped down and he never finished it. So i know submitting it for freshman year is a wash but if he does ROTC in the fall can he apply for next year? He wanted to do NROTC but UNT only has AF or Army.
If I'm understanding you, your son is about to graduate HS and enroll at UNT as a freshman in the fall? If so there's no longer an 'application process' but still lots of opportunities left to earn a 3 year campus-based AROTC scholarship. He needs to contact the Recruiting Operations Officer for UNT's Army ROTC program (should find it easily with a google search) and they will likely start considering him for a 3 year campus-based scholarship before he even arrives on campus (covers his sophomore year onward). If he's not offered a scholarship before school starts there's still absolutely no reason to be discouraged, just enroll in their MS101 course and compete for the 3 year scholarships that will will become available to UNT throughout his freshman year - they still cover sophomore year onward just like 3 year national scholarships and 3 year campus-based scholarships offered over the summer. If he still doesn't have one by the end of his freshman year and he still wants to be an Army officer just stick with it! There is still a possibility he will be offered a 3 year CB scholarship at the beginning of his sophomore year that covers that semester onward.

He should also understand that MANY ROTC cadets are not on scholarship. Some join the ARNG or USAR and enjoy the extra benefits of Simultaneous Membership Program, and a few just contract in a non-scholarship status and receive the monthly stipend and a great career ahead of them when they commission.
I know you are in AROTC but my son really wanted NROTC. If he is in UNT's Rotc program (A or AF) can apply for a NROTC scholarship to A&M out of that ? Just weighing options. He is leaning toward the Medical field (ortho surg so far) and i have heard the AROTC is not that big on the medical fields. If that is true or not i am not sure.
 
Only NROTC allows him to re-apply for the 4 year high school scholarship in the fall of his freshman year. The other services use other procedures for awarding scholarships to college students.
 
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Hi Joel,
I do have a question or two for you. My son is a cadet at Virginia Military Institute completing his second year at VMI and Air Force ROTC. He's considering a transfer from Air Force ROTC to Army ROTC since he is a non tech major (International Studies) and will likely not get a commission with the AF as their focus is on filling tech slots. He has completed the DoDMERB physical, AF testing and physical fitness assessment. We're unclear about the requirements for Army ROTC should he be able to transfer. Would he have to repeat the medical eval and fitness testing? When would he be eligible for basic and advanced camps? Any other info would be appreciated!

Melvin
His DODMERB should be good, he will have to pass an Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) prior to contracting, he shouldn't need to go to Basic Camp, Advanced Camp will be after his junior year, and he should talk to the ROO at the Army ROTC program ASAP. He should get credit for his AF ROTC experience, so he could potentially contract next fall.
elvin
 
Melvin,
Concur with clarksonarmy and also encourage talking to the Recruiting Operations Officer (ROO) at VMI to work a transition.
 
I think your son should wait until he doesnt get invited to field training

@VMI2020 Dad already stated in a prior post that his DS was not offered a field training spot.
Source: https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/vmi-rotc-crossroads.61463/
"will likely not get a commission with the AF as their focus is on filling tech slots" This is what he wrote. Will not likely doesnt mean he wont. It sounds to me like he assumed he wont get one because he isnt a tech major.

Yes I realize now my post did not include all the information. AROTC-dad linked to my other thread that had all the other info, including the fact that my DS did not get an EA.
It all good. Everyone was commenting how you had said that he hadnt been invited and I am thinking to myself, am I crazy, I know it read it twice, and neither time did it say he wasnt invited. I did later see the link that AROTC-dad posted
 
Great advice on this forum about on campus scholarships. Cannot speak to deciding between AF and Army, but would be good to contact both detachments at your sons futurw school about participating, just those interactions and information he gets might help him decide. For Army it would be the ROO. Also might depend on if the school is a host school or cross town affiliate if one would be better than the other, but obviously what he wants to do and where he wants to serve is the biggest factor. So again, I really can’t help.

But as far as Army ROTC, he would show up, participate in all activities, do well on his fitness test, take the military science classes and campus based scholarships will be awarded based on his performance compared to the other cadets on non scholarship. My DD said the kids that got them at her shcool not only had good grades, and high fitness scores, but volunteered for things like color guard, working at games and just had awesome attitudes! @AROTC-dad is a great resource. His son wanted Navy too, but ended up with a 3.5 year campus based scholarship at the school he chose after not getting his A or B plans, and will be a MS4 in the fall! Also the ROO’s on here will have good advice too. Good luck to your son and keep us posted!
 
If anyone can give me some pointers. My son was filling out one of the ROTC scholarship apps but as soon as he got his nomination it all stopped down and he never finished it. So i know submitting it for freshman year is a wash but if he does ROTC in the fall can he apply for next year? He wanted to do NROTC but UNT only has AF or Army.
If I'm understanding you, your son is about to graduate HS and enroll at UNT as a freshman in the fall? If so there's no longer an 'application process' but still lots of opportunities left to earn a 3 year campus-based AROTC scholarship. He needs to contact the Recruiting Operations Officer for UNT's Army ROTC program (should find it easily with a google search) and they will likely start considering him for a 3 year campus-based scholarship before he even arrives on campus (covers his sophomore year onward). If he's not offered a scholarship before school starts there's still absolutely no reason to be discouraged, just enroll in their MS101 course and compete for the 3 year scholarships that will will become available to UNT throughout his freshman year - they still cover sophomore year onward just like 3 year national scholarships and 3 year campus-based scholarships offered over the summer. If he still doesn't have one by the end of his freshman year and he still wants to be an Army officer just stick with it! There is still a possibility he will be offered a 3 year CB scholarship at the beginning of his sophomore year that covers that semester onward.

He should also understand that MANY ROTC cadets are not on scholarship. Some join the ARNG or USAR and enjoy the extra benefits of Simultaneous Membership Program, and a few just contract in a non-scholarship status and receive the monthly stipend and a great career ahead of them when they commission.
I know you are in AROTC but my son really wanted NROTC. If he is in UNT's Rotc program (A or AF) can apply for a NROTC scholarship to A&M out of that ? Just weighing options. He is leaning toward the Medical field (ortho surg so far) and i have heard the AROTC is not that big on the medical fields. If that is true or not i am not sure.

I assure you the Army has more doctors than any of the other services (as we are the largest service); can't speak to other services' chances of becoming a doctor through ROTC, but can tell you that for the 2018 accessions Army ROTC put no cap on the number of selections for Educational Delay to go to medical school (there were caps on most other educational delay categories), only stating they would select 'all qualified.' While I'm no expert on what the board looks for (beyond obviously the cadet's MCAT score and undergraduate academic performance), the board ended up selecting right around 75% of the cadets that applied for educational delay for medical school with one or two more listed as pending selection based on potentially increased MCAT scores. Perhaps NROTC's chances for becoming a medical doctor are better than AROTC's, but I'd say selecting 3 of 4 cadets who applied are pretty good odds. I currently have one cadet in my program who wants to be a doctor (and will find out in about a year and a half); I've counseled him that unless things change, his chances for being selected for educational delay are probably pretty close to his chances to be accepted to a decent medical school, and until he takes the MCAT we won't be able to guess what that is. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm fairly confident that NROTC doesn't guarantee young undergraduates that they'll get to be doctors before they've even taken the MCAT.

If the Navy or Marine Corps is what your son is set on he should absolutely pursue that; but I don't think eliminating AROTC from consideration based only on hearing that AROTC 'isn't big on the medical fields' is good advice. You might consider contacting an AMEDD recruiter to learn more about different paths to becoming a military doctor.
 
If anyone can give me some pointers. My son was filling out one of the ROTC scholarship apps but as soon as he got his nomination it all stopped down and he never finished it. So i know submitting it for freshman year is a wash but if he does ROTC in the fall can he apply for next year? He wanted to do NROTC but UNT only has AF or Army.
If I'm understanding you, your son is about to graduate HS and enroll at UNT as a freshman in the fall? If so there's no longer an 'application process' but still lots of opportunities left to earn a 3 year campus-based AROTC scholarship. He needs to contact the Recruiting Operations Officer for UNT's Army ROTC program (should find it easily with a google search) and they will likely start considering him for a 3 year campus-based scholarship before he even arrives on campus (covers his sophomore year onward). If he's not offered a scholarship before school starts there's still absolutely no reason to be discouraged, just enroll in their MS101 course and compete for the 3 year scholarships that will will become available to UNT throughout his freshman year - they still cover sophomore year onward just like 3 year national scholarships and 3 year campus-based scholarships offered over the summer. If he still doesn't have one by the end of his freshman year and he still wants to be an Army officer just stick with it! There is still a possibility he will be offered a 3 year CB scholarship at the beginning of his sophomore year that covers that semester onward.

He should also understand that MANY ROTC cadets are not on scholarship. Some join the ARNG or USAR and enjoy the extra benefits of Simultaneous Membership Program, and a few just contract in a non-scholarship status and receive the monthly stipend and a great career ahead of them when they commission.
I know you are in AROTC but my son really wanted NROTC. If he is in UNT's Rotc program (A or AF) can apply for a NROTC scholarship to A&M out of that ? Just weighing options. He is leaning toward the Medical field (ortho surg so far) and i have heard the AROTC is not that big on the medical fields. If that is true or not i am not sure.

I assure you the Army has more doctors than any of the other services (as we are the largest service); can't speak to other services' chances of becoming a doctor through ROTC, but can tell you that for the 2018 accessions Army ROTC put no cap on the number of selections for Educational Delay to go to medical school (there were caps on most other educational delay categories), only stating they would select 'all qualified.' While I'm no expert on what the board looks for (beyond obviously the cadet's MCAT score and undergraduate academic performance), the board ended up selecting right around 75% of the cadets that applied for educational delay for medical school with one or two more listed as pending selection based on potentially increased MCAT scores. Perhaps NROTC's chances for becoming a medical doctor are better than AROTC's, but I'd say selecting 3 of 4 cadets who applied are pretty good odds. I currently have one cadet in my program who wants to be a doctor (and will find out in about a year and a half); I've counseled him that unless things change, his chances for being selected for educational delay are probably pretty close to his chances to be accepted to a decent medical school, and until he takes the MCAT we won't be able to guess what that is. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm fairly confident that NROTC doesn't guarantee young undergraduates that they'll get to be doctors before they've even taken the MCAT.

If the Navy or Marine Corps is what your son is set on he should absolutely pursue that; but I don't think eliminating AROTC from consideration based only on hearing that AROTC 'isn't big on the medical fields' is good advice. You might consider contacting an AMEDD recruiter to learn more about different paths to becoming a military doctor.
understand and really appreciate the information. We need to go and talk to the ROTC guys at UNT and get their input.
 
If anyone can give me some pointers. My son was filling out one of the ROTC scholarship apps but as soon as he got his nomination it all stopped down and he never finished it. So i know submitting it for freshman year is a wash but if he does ROTC in the fall can he apply for next year? He wanted to do NROTC but UNT only has AF or Army.
If I'm understanding you, your son is about to graduate HS and enroll at UNT as a freshman in the fall? If so there's no longer an 'application process' but still lots of opportunities left to earn a 3 year campus-based AROTC scholarship. He needs to contact the Recruiting Operations Officer for UNT's Army ROTC program (should find it easily with a google search) and they will likely start considering him for a 3 year campus-based scholarship before he even arrives on campus (covers his sophomore year onward). If he's not offered a scholarship before school starts there's still absolutely no reason to be discouraged, just enroll in their MS101 course and compete for the 3 year scholarships that will will become available to UNT throughout his freshman year - they still cover sophomore year onward just like 3 year national scholarships and 3 year campus-based scholarships offered over the summer. If he still doesn't have one by the end of his freshman year and he still wants to be an Army officer just stick with it! There is still a possibility he will be offered a 3 year CB scholarship at the beginning of his sophomore year that covers that semester onward.

He should also understand that MANY ROTC cadets are not on scholarship. Some join the ARNG or USAR and enjoy the extra benefits of Simultaneous Membership Program, and a few just contract in a non-scholarship status and receive the monthly stipend and a great career ahead of them when they commission.
I know you are in AROTC but my son really wanted NROTC. If he is in UNT's Rotc program (A or AF) can apply for a NROTC scholarship to A&M out of that ? Just weighing options. He is leaning toward the Medical field (ortho surg so far) and i have heard the AROTC is not that big on the medical fields. If that is true or not i am not sure.


AROTC not big on the medical field is not true in my experience. I haven't met anyone yet who asked for an ed delay for medical school and didn't get one (caveat: they all had high GPA and MCAT scores). I do know a couple people who got an ed delay BUT didn't get into medical school so they accessed onto active duty. If I recall, one got branched Signal Corps and the other Medical Service Corps.

NROTC is more difficult to get an educational delay to attend medical school than for AROTC. The NROTC wants line officers. If your GPA is good enough to get into medical school, they're probably going to want to commission you as a line officer.

For AROTC, cadets typically submit their branch choices in Sept of their senior year and results come out in Oct. Cadets who want an educational delay must submit official MCAT scores as part of their packet requesting an ed delay. Cadets will then have until early summer after graduation to prove they actually got into medical school for the ed delay to take effect. If the cadet does not get into medical school, then the ed delay will be pulled and s/he will be branched according to the needs of the Army (read: infantry slot at Ft. Polk).

If your DS wants to go to medical school right after college, then AROTC would be the way to go.
 
If anyone can give me some pointers. My son was filling out one of the ROTC scholarship apps but as soon as he got his nomination it all stopped down and he never finished it. So i know submitting it for freshman year is a wash but if he does ROTC in the fall can he apply for next year? He wanted to do NROTC but UNT only has AF or Army.
If I'm understanding you, your son is about to graduate HS and enroll at UNT as a freshman in the fall? If so there's no longer an 'application process' but still lots of opportunities left to earn a 3 year campus-based AROTC scholarship. He needs to contact the Recruiting Operations Officer for UNT's Army ROTC program (should find it easily with a google search) and they will likely start considering him for a 3 year campus-based scholarship before he even arrives on campus (covers his sophomore year onward). If he's not offered a scholarship before school starts there's still absolutely no reason to be discouraged, just enroll in their MS101 course and compete for the 3 year scholarships that will will become available to UNT throughout his freshman year - they still cover sophomore year onward just like 3 year national scholarships and 3 year campus-based scholarships offered over the summer. If he still doesn't have one by the end of his freshman year and he still wants to be an Army officer just stick with it! There is still a possibility he will be offered a 3 year CB scholarship at the beginning of his sophomore year that covers that semester onward.

He should also understand that MANY ROTC cadets are not on scholarship. Some join the ARNG or USAR and enjoy the extra benefits of Simultaneous Membership Program, and a few just contract in a non-scholarship status and receive the monthly stipend and a great career ahead of them when they commission.
I know you are in AROTC but my son really wanted NROTC. If he is in UNT's Rotc program (A or AF) can apply for a NROTC scholarship to A&M out of that ? Just weighing options. He is leaning toward the Medical field (ortho surg so far) and i have heard the AROTC is not that big on the medical fields. If that is true or not i am not sure.


AROTC not big on the medical field is not true in my experience. I haven't met anyone yet who asked for an ed delay for medical school and didn't get one (caveat: they all had high GPA and MCAT scores). I do know a couple people who got an ed delay BUT didn't get into medical school so they accessed onto active duty. If I recall, one got branched Signal Corps and the other Medical Service Corps.

NROTC is more difficult to get an educational delay to attend medical school than for AROTC. The NROTC wants line officers. If your GPA is good enough to get into medical school, they're probably going to want to commission you as a line officer.

For AROTC, cadets typically submit their branch choices in Sept of their senior year and results come out in Oct. Cadets who want an educational delay must submit official MCAT scores as part of their packet requesting an ed delay. Cadets will then have until early summer after graduation to prove they actually got into medical school for the ed delay to take effect. If the cadet does not get into medical school, then the ed delay will be pulled and s/he will be branched according to the needs of the Army (read: infantry slot at Ft. Polk).

If your DS wants to go to medical school right after college, then AROTC would be the way to go.
it seems like the Army is more accomdating in all areas including medical DQs. Is this because they require a larger number of people or is it that they work with a different philosophy.
 
it seems like the Army is more accomdating in all areas including medical DQs. Is this because they require a larger number of people or is it that they work with a different philosophy.

I think it is a little of both, but the need for number of commissioned officers is clearly highest with the Army.

From Wikipedia: (Feb 2018 data)
Number of commissioned U.S. AD officers:
Army: 90,785
Navy: 54,114
Marines: 21,335
Air Force: 61,144
Coast Guard: 8,239

Reserve Officers:
Army NG: 45,014
Army Res: 37,635
Naval Res: 14,054
Marine Res: 4,394
Air NG: 15,275
AF Reserve: 13,558
USCGA Res.: 1,056

source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces
 
Also Army doesn't have the color vision and/or the visual acuity requirements that the Air Force and Navy have. In those services it's important to be able to distinguish colors for navigation, etc.
 
Hello All,

This may be a simple question but I cant find an answer on these forums. So, My DD is in the middle of making a decision of whether to accept an appointment to USMAPS or continue on with her 4 year ROTC scholarship w/ Presidential Academic scholarship. Both would be full funded. We were wondering if anyone knows the process as to when her ROTC scholarship will reflect in the financial office at her ROTC school? Just got a financial statement from them and nothing reflects her ROTC scholarship? Everything else is there and is pretty straight forward. To answer a couple questions, her Medical examination is complete but she hasn't taken her PFT yet for ROTC. However, completed her PFT for USMA a while ago. Thanks in advance. Main question: When should her College see the ROTC 4 year scholarship?
 
The cadre at the Army ROTC unit will need to determine if both of the following have occurred:
  1. Your DD has passed DoDMERB (she obviously passed, if she received a USMAPS offer).
  2. She has passed the APFT. If she doesn't, the money will NOT be paid.
Once both of these occur, the ROO at the college will make sure that the cashiers office is notified of the tuition and fees that will be forthcoming. In the meantime, you should be prepared to stay in touch with the ROO to make sure the ball is not dropped otherwise, your DD won't be allowed to register. Generally the cashier/bursar will understand that the wheels of the military move slowly.

I highly recommend that your DD contact the ROO and inquire on how and when she can demonstrate her APFT.

It may be also wise, to be prepared to pay an installment payment to the college while the AROTC payment is pending. Once it pays the college, your over payment should be then refunded to you. This will ensure that her room and board and class registration slots are not jeopardized by a hold up by sequestrations, or other bureaucratic issues.
 
Thank You @AROTC-dad ! Exactly as we suspected. I will have DD reach out to ROO as to when she can demonstrate he APFT. Do you know if that can be done sooner than the last week before classes start? I'm reading that all over these forums and I know it would be well worth the trip to have it done sooner than later and off our mind.
 
Yes a trip is best to meet the ROO in person. Passing the APFT sooner is better than waiting until the semester nearly begins.

If the college is too far from your home, your DD's ROO might be able to arrange for her to do the APFT locally at a nearby Battalion. DD should reach out to the ROO before school ends for the summer.
 
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