If I disagree with the president

snbypo, Be careful with hate it tends to be an emotion that can cause problems.
You will get great grades at most colleges with those opinions of the current President.
It's too bad you don't think bringing prisoners home from North Korea or bringing home the remains of fallen soldiers is a good thing.
I would suggest an ROTC program if you want to serve
 
Enthalpy said:
It's too bad you don't think bringing prisoners home from North Korea or bringing home the remains of fallen soldiers is a good thing.
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This would be a wonderful thing, the fact that North Korea decided to No Show to a scheduled meeting without notice or explanation (No one saw that coming) means the jury is still out on that one.

Enthalpy said:
I would suggest an ROTC program if you want to serve
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Why would you suggest this?
 
Enthalpy said:
I would suggest an ROTC program if you want to serve
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This is a curious suggestion. ROTC is not a better or more appropriate training ground for someone who is conflicted with carrying out lawful commands of the his or her commission.

Like Jcleppe said, what is your point of this recommendation?
 
Based on the OP, Why has this continued this long? President's change every 4 or 8 years depending on political whim at the time. If he or she can't follow the direction of those placed above in the chain of command or can't operate in the system without contaminating the unit with personal political beliefs, then a place in the military doesn't exist. Unit cohesion, dedication to the mission and honoring the oath of office is really the only things that apply.
 
Now now - one of the best pieces of advice I ever received about dealing with teenagers is never get into an argument with a teenager because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. :)

That is why I didn't respond to - I don't want to make this a political statement- but the president is a blatant racist! LOL! Nah - not political at all!

I truly believe the OP was working to best reconcile their personal beliefs with a career in which they would be asked to follow a leader they did not respect. Hey - as the OP will discover - regardless of the chosen profession - you will have to move forward with decisions you dont agree with and work for and with people you don't agree with POTUS/CIC included. And it is a great question - a great exercise at self-awareness. Hope the OP got what they were looking for!
 
AROTC-dad said:
Enthalpy said:
I would suggest an ROTC program if you want to serve
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This is a curious suggestion. ROTC is not a better or more appropriate training ground for someone who is conflicted with carrying out lawful commands of the his or her commission.

Like Jcleppe said, what is your point of this recommendation?
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The point was if the OP has issues with leadership and finds out the military is not for them, it may be easier to leave ROTC and continue their education at a regular college as opposed to an Academy.
 
Enthalpy said:
The point was if the OP has issues with leadership and finds out the military is not for them, it may be easier to leave ROTC and continue their education at a regular college as opposed to an Academy.
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Makes perfect sense, thanks.
 
Jcleppe said:
This would be a wonderful thing, the fact that North Korea decided to No Show to a scheduled meeting without notice or explanation (No one saw that coming) means the jury is still out on that one.
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> Of course the jury is out on North Korea. Leopards don't change their spots overnight. That being said, that mere fact that there was a summit and return of remains is significant --thats progress that hasn't made by anyone else in over 60 years.
 
Enthalpy said:
The point was if the OP has issues with leadership and finds out the military is not for them, it may be easier to leave ROTC and continue their education at a regular college as opposed to an Academy.
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Thanks for the clarification and I see your logic.

However, if comparing USMA vs Army ROTC 4 year scholarship, the non-obligatory period for USMA is two years, whereas, a 4 year scholarship becomes payback obligatory after beginning the MS-II year. (per AR 210-26 Section 7-9 and Contract Form DA 597-3, Section 3-c-1)

So in this sense, USMA gives a more generous two years to determine if the military is a good fit, without becoming financially obligated.
 
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AROTC-dad said:
Enthalpy said:
The point was if the OP has issues with leadership and finds out the military is not for them, it may be easier to leave ROTC and continue their education at a regular college as opposed to an Academy.
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Thanks for the clarification and I see your logic.

However, if comparing USMA vs Army ROTC 4 year scholarship, the non-obligatory period for USMA is two years, whereas, a 4 year scholarship becomes payback obligatory after beginning the MS-II year. (per AR210-26 Section 7-9 and Contract Form DA 597-3, Section 3-c-1)

So in this sense, USMA gives a more generous two years to determine if the military is a good fit, without becoming financially obligated.
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Of course we don't know that the OP is even qualified for an Academy or ROTC scholarship, or any other options as he hasn't posted the "Chance me "thread yet......point may be moot...
 
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Old Navy BGO said:
Of course the jury is out on North Korea. Leopards don't change their spots overnight. That being said, that mere fact that there was a summit and return of remains is significant --thats progress that hasn't made by anyone else in over 60 years.
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I would agree with that, any movement forward is a good thing. My only regret is that the Joint Military Exercises in South Korea were called "Provocative" by a US President and cancelled. The North Koreans and China have used that term for years while the US has strongly maintained they are Defensive Exercises. Starting up these exercises again will result in the North throwing the administrations words back at them. I just wish we had not been the first to give such a significant concession without something concrete in return, which included the return of US remains.

Whether I voted for this President or not, I do hope that this will result in the outcome we all wish for and I will give credit where credit is due. A successful administration is always good for the country, no matter the party.
 
snbypo said:
I am applying to all service academies but posting here since WP is my #1 choice. I think the title bout sums it up. I disagree with all of Trump, his policies, his antics, his administration, his actions, his blatant racism, you name it.

I'm not trying to start a political debate. I'm just a high school kid who loves the USA but hates the way it's going right now and I'd like to hear any thoughts about serving under a CIC who you disagree with on basically every level.
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How could you disagree with ALL of Trump? Do you diagree with Trump getting two Americans released from North Korea? Do you disagree with Trump pardoning the sailor who got convicted for taking a picture inside a submarine? Do you disagree with Trump bombing Syria? Do you disagree with Trump’s support to increase defense spending? Do you disagree with Trump’s Surpeme court nominations?
 
MemberLG said:
snbypo said:
I am applying to all service academies but posting here since WP is my #1 choice. I think the title bout sums it up. I disagree with all of Trump, his policies, his antics, his administration, his actions, his blatant racism, you name it.

I'm not trying to start a political debate. I'm just a high school kid who loves the USA but hates the way it's going right now and I'd like to hear any thoughts about serving under a CIC who you disagree with on basically every level.
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How could you disagree with ALL of Trump? Do you diagree with Trump getting two Americans released from North Korea? Do you disagree with Trump pardoning the sailor who got convicted for taking a picture inside a submarine? Do you disagree with Trump bombing Syria? Do you disagree with Trump’s support to increase defense spending? Do you disagree with Trump’s Surpeme court nominations?
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I think the OP was engaging in rhetorical hyperbole.
 
MidwestDad said:
If you retired today with 25 years of service you would have served under Trump, Obama, G.W. Bush, and Clinton but would have applied and gone to R day while G .H. Bush was in office.

Pretty sure most would have some reservations about at least one on that list regardless of personal beliefs.

So don't let today's POTUS/CIC sway your decision. You serve the office, not the man.
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True. But, if he is this ignorant and hateful, I don't think he should get an appointment to any academy. Perhaps some enlisted time would be better. Calling President Trump a racist shows a total lack of actual truth and information.
 
I believe it's unfair to suggest that a young person should not get an appointment to any academy simply because of his personal opinion. There is always a vast number of service members that have strong opinions and disagree with whoever may be the President at the time. Having a strong personal opinion is not the issue, the issue is whether you can put those opinions aside and do your job without pushing your opinion on others.

This young man is neither hateful or ignorant, he is young and has his opinions that may differ from others, that doesn't make him either of those things. The ability to disagree, even as strongly as this young man is a right they all fight for. The military has it's own rules about how this disagreement can be shared and service members need to abide by them. Remember the Spenser Rapone was not discharged because of his political view but rather because he pushed those views on others and went way to public with them.
 
If the OP is of HS age, he really only has President Obama's admn. to compare with the current one. Those of us who are much older have a broader range of experience to draw upon. The OP of course may be a poly sci major or has taken the time to carefully research prior presidential administrations before forming his opinions. IMO I hope he has performed some research.
 
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