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Old Navy BGO said:
"Promised a possible LOA " -- what does that mean ? You either have an LOI, or you don't. BTW, USNA does not have Field Admissions Officers..


> Right, and wrong. You are correct, that LOA candidate only needs a NOM, and doesn't matter if he/she is #1 or #10, but unless the MOC has room for more than one persons that year (each MOC can have 5 people at each Service Academy during a given year), the person who "wins the slate" can't get in if the appointment goes to the person with the LOA. (I don't know specifics at USMA, but there probably other ways to get that slate winneer in, including VP or Supe nominations).
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Very interesting. Our MOC gave a Principal Nom to an LOA last year also. If the MOC only has one opening and if the MOC were to give the non-LOA slate winner the Principal Nom and give the LOA holder a nomination but not the Principal, would the LOA holder be appointed and charged somewhere else or would the LOA holder then not receive an appointment?
 
The LOA holder MAY be charged elsewhere, or they may not. That's the key to the situation and why having multiple noms, if possible, is important.... so they have more than one nom to charge you to.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
hopefullmom2023 said:
USNA has promised a possible LOA within the next two weeks. He had a meeting with his Field Admissions Officer this week, who was extremely candid with him and gave him a lot of good advice.
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"Promised a possible LOA " -- what does that mean ? You either have an LOI, or you don't. BTW, USNA does not have Field Admissions Officers..

buff81 said:
If the MOC is in fact giving a P-Nom to a LOA candidate, then that MOC just wasted his slot. A person with a LOA only needs a nom. They do not need to be the #1 on the slate. They can be the #10 on the slate. They only need to be on the slate.
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> Right, and wrong. You are correct, that LOA candidate only needs a NOM, and doesn't matter if he/she is #1 or #10, but unless the MOC has room for more than one persons that year (each MOC can have 5 people at each Service Academy during a given year), the person who "wins the slate" can't get in if the appointment goes to the person with the LOA. (I don't know specifics at USMA, but there probably other ways to get that slate winneer in, including VP or Supe nominations).
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Actually, @buff81 is 100% dead on. An LOA holder just needs a nomination to be offered an appointment. They do not necessarily need to be charged to the MOC. If you look at the overall numbers, there are approximately 150 slots used at the end of the process called Additional Appointees that will cover LOA holders who do not win a slate.

If the MOC nominates a Principal Nominee, that person receives the offer and is charged to the MOC no matter who else is in the district and if they have an LOA or not.

So to best serve the constituents, the MOC should use the P-Nom on the individuals without the LOA to get more applicants appointed from their local district. When the press release comes out, it just says that the MOC has three local candidates accepted into the class. It doesn't mention where they are charged. I saw a Congressional District last year that had 12 appointments but the congressman sure took credit for them all even though most are not charged to his openings.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
"Promised a possible LOA " -- what does that mean ? You either have an LOI, or you don't. BTW, USNA does not have Field Admissions Officers..

Have you ever tell anyone do 1, 2 and 3 and you might get to 4?
You will not take away hope is the only thing we have.
In regards to “USNA does not have a Field Admission Officer” pardon my ignorance his title is Field Admission Counselor.
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Old Navy BGO said:
buff81 said:
If the MOC is in fact giving a P-Nom to a LOA candidate, then that MOC just wasted his slot. A person with a LOA only needs a nom. They do not need to be the #1 on the slate. They can be the #10 on the slate. They only need to be on the slate.
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> Right, and wrong. You are correct, that LOA candidate only needs a NOM, and doesn't matter if he/she is #1 or #10, but unless the MOC has room for more than one persons that year (each MOC can have 5 people at each Service Academy during a given year), the person who "wins the slate" can't get in if the appointment goes to the person with the LOA. (I don't know specifics at USMA, but there probably other ways to get that slate winneer in, including VP or Supe nominations).
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The person who wins the slate, wins the slate, ( whether by P-nom or being the one with the highest WCS on a Competitive slate) regardless if there is a LOA on the slate.
So, in my example - if excellent non-LOA candidate wins the slate by being given the P-nom, the 2 LOAs will get appointments because all they need is a nom.

So how do the 2 LOAs get appointments if the MOC slot is taken by someone else?
All the other 9 candidates on the slate go on the NWL (if fully qualified). Therefore, the 2 LOAs go on the NWL. West Point is allowed to offer appointments to the top 150 candidates with MOC noms per WCS. Many of those with LOAs will fall into this top 150. If not, then WP is also allowed to offer appointments to 'Additional Appointees' where they can offer appointments to candidates without regard to the WCS. This is where WP can pick up any LOA recipient that didn't win a MOC slate or didn't fall into the top 150 of the NWL.

LOAs are promised an appointment if all stipulations are met. WP has a few options to slot LOAs if they don't win their MOC's slot.
 
Out MOC at the time used the principle nom method when he had LOAs already awarded. In my sons case we had heard that there were likely 2 USMA LOAs so we believe he was awarded the principle nom. All three are there now. Same thing for USNA ...2 LOAs and 1principle nom.
 
Can anyone help with a question I have about Presidential nominations (a service related nomination). I have worked incredibly hard applying for ALL possible nominations. I also qualified for the Presidential nomination thanks to my dad's 20 years of service. I filled out the required paperwork for that particular nomination per the advice of my admissions counselor. My profile has been updated to reflect that I have a Presidential nomination. Does that mean I qualify for the "pool" of Presidential nominations or I have definitely been given a nomination?
 
Well, you definitely have a nomination. I think 100 appointments are issued to folks in that category. The appointment is the goal. If you have an LOA then a Presidential Nom is sufficient to get appointed. Many early appointments are folks who have an LOA and a Presidential Nomination.
 
Thanks for clarifying. When I spoke to my admissions counselor, she said there are over 700 candidates that qualify for the Pres Nom. I wasn't sure if that update in my USMA profile meant that the paperwork I submitted has qualified me to be in that pool or it was indeed an "official nomination". Great news for sure, but the competitive nature in me wants to see if all the work I put into my MOC etc nominations will be as successful.
 
To clarify the LOA once more, so that folks manage expectations: LOAs are conditional on something. That something might be a nomination. That something might be related to transcript, test scores, CFA, DODMERB...any number of things. Your LOA notification will clarify the condition, and you must sufficiently address that condition, whether you have a nomination or not.
 
Thank you MidCakePa. I have not received an LOA. I am not expecting one because at this point, my application is complete and should not have any "conditions" that I am aware of. I have passed the CFA and DODMerb, my file is complete. Like most candidates, I'm just preparing to hunker down and wait out the results as long as it takes. Since this is my first time ever applying to something of this magnitude, I am very appreciative to this forum for its help and support.
 
hopefullmom2023 said:
Old Navy BGO said:
"Promised a possible LOA " -- what does that mean ? You either have an LOI, or you don't. BTW, USNA does not have Field Admissions Officers..

Have you ever tell anyone do 1, 2 and 3 and you might get to 4?
You will not take away hope is the only thing we have.
In regards to “USNA does not have a Field Admission Officer” pardon my ignorance his title is Field Admission Counselor.
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Is LOE the same with LOA?
 
@MJ2020 No. An LOE is a letter of encouragement. "Get your application completed kid, because so far we like what we see".
An LOA is a Letter of Appointment. The Appointment is based on meeting certain conditions, generally successfully completing DoDMERB and getting any appointment, although there may be other conditions as well.
 
Here’s some information on those things:

Letter of Encouragement (aka the LOE)
What it means: “finish your application because we have some faith that you’re a good fit for West Point.”
-permits an overnight visit
-sometimes leads to an LOA if the application is improved from receiving it
-admissions told me last year that about 75-80% of LOE candidates are admitted
-most of the ones who aren’t admitted are usually medically or physically disqualified

That being said, if you are triple qualified and have an LOE, you will most likely receive an appointment.

Letter of Assurance (aka the LOA)
What it means: “if you finish your application and everything meets our standards you’ll get an appointment.”
-permits an overnight visit
-you will be admitted into the academy as long as you are qualified physically, academically, medically, and have a nomination
-if you are waiting on a waiver, one of these babies will make the process faster

If you have one of these and have a qualified, completed application, you will enter West Point with the class joining the Corps that year unless you majorly screw up or get an injury that requires surgical repair too close to Beast.
 
GoArmy2022 said:
Letter of Assurance (aka the LOA) ........
-if you are waiting on a waiver, one of these babies will make the process faster
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Based on personal experience, this is not true. I wish it had been.
 
GoArmy2022 said:
That being said, if you are triple qualified and have an LOE, you will most likely receive an appointment.
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Be very careful with this statement. Having an LOE in September just means that you are competitive on your slate. Their are applicants every year that have an LOE, are 3Q and do not get an appointment.

Make sure you are working to maker your application the best it can be and keep working on Plan B and C.
 
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