My DS was a 4-year AROTC cadet at Princeton having turned down appointments to USMA and USNA. He had a remarkable experience. At the time he was admitted, AROTC worked closely with admissions for their targeted candidates. My DS is convinced that was why he was admitted.
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corpmomclassof2023
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Son won a 4 yr arotc scholarship to the only schools he listed ... Texas A&M and Colorado School of Mines to study engineering. His SAT was 1310 (710 math) , ranked 8/480 , captain of swim team and in STEM academy with many EC’s, AP’s, 10-15 hour per week job and leadership appointments. He worked hard and his stats are on the good side but not rocket scientist great. I am wondering if it helped that he stayed in contact with the ROO at both schools, sent a thank you to the PMS that interviewed him and that he had already been accepted to both engineering programs ? We are certainly surprised and so so excited !!
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Good Afternoon,
May I ask a general question that may be on everyone's mind?
If someone offered a 4 year scholarship in the 1st AROTC or NROTC boards ultimately turns it down (in favor of an academy or other branch scholarship choice), does that turned-down scholarship go back "into the pool" to be reissued to other applicants?
If 300 scholarships were just offered from AROTC, but 200 of are turned down by people for other choices, are those 200 scholarships then offered to others?
Thanks - Very Respectfully,
Hermie
May I ask a general question that may be on everyone's mind?
If someone offered a 4 year scholarship in the 1st AROTC or NROTC boards ultimately turns it down (in favor of an academy or other branch scholarship choice), does that turned-down scholarship go back "into the pool" to be reissued to other applicants?
If 300 scholarships were just offered from AROTC, but 200 of are turned down by people for other choices, are those 200 scholarships then offered to others?
Thanks - Very Respectfully,
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No they are not. They plan on a certain percentage of rejections and are pretty good at doing that. So let's say they plan on giving out 1000 (a made up number) scholarships starting in September. They will come in pretty close to 1000 after the anticipated rejections. If there are funds left they MAY go towards campus based scholarships to worthy cadets and midshipmen.
Every institution does something similar. The academies plan around an expected number of rejections as do most colleges. Over the years they have all gotten pretty good at projecting their numbers.
Every institution does something similar. The academies plan around an expected number of rejections as do most colleges. Over the years they have all gotten pretty good at projecting their numbers.
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When an ECP graduate transfers to complete their 4 year degree using EAP at their follow on university, they are in the same pool for active duty as all other ROTC cadets, correct?
I'm asking because my son is weighing an ECP scholarship knowing he can move on to a 4 year school that he has been accepted to with his summer training completed before all other 4 year cadets. Do ECP cadets, who forgo commissioning, continue to serve their reserve/guard units while at their 4 year school?
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The vast majority of ECP officers are required to stay in the Guard/Reserves.
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even after moving on to completing their 4 year degree? they can't even compete with the 4 year cadets?
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It is a completely separate program. If your DS wants AD in the Army, not reserves or Guard, this is not the program that will give him the best opportunity for that. I am quoting info I have read on this forum posted by ROO's from different colleges as well as forum moderators.
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Every bit of information I have read or seen over the last few years, fornutately for your son, would show that this is not accurate, my daughter received a 3 year AD 3rd board and according to later data there were approximately 2800 scholarships offered and about 300 were on the first board (2016). They are usually all 4 years on the first board, and second board has 4 year and 3 year and the third board, they are mostly 3 year.
Here are a few blog posts from a current ROO (recruiting operations officer) that will help understanding how the whole person score works and also information about the first board.
Every year applicants and their parents ask “why not me/my kid on this board” and try to compare scores to those that received one. It isn’t that simple as you will read about how the score is calculated. I get it, my daughter did not get an offer until the 3rd board, so the waiting was/is excruciating. There is just no way to predetermine or predict who will and who will not and when those offers will come. It is a great time to figure out the plan B your son will pursue if not getting a scholarship. There are many examples on this forum where plan A didn’t happen, but the plan B worked out beyond expectations. Good luck to your son and please keep us posted.
https://goldenknightbattalion.com/2012/07/13/the-whole-person-score-what-is-it/
https://goldenknightbattalion.com/2012/11/09/quick-look-at-the-first-board/
Every year is different - and these numbers 2012, but it still gives great info that will hopefully reduce your concern about your sons chances.
If they accept the ECP Scholarship they would have to be released from their Scholarship Control number to be eligible for Active Duty. While the ECP recruiters may present this as not being an issue, very few over the past few years have been successful in getting that done. If your son accepts the ECP Scholarship make sure he is comfortable with serving his obligation in the Guard/Reserve. There is always a chance for Active Duty but nobody knows what things will be like in 4 years, so for right now that is the risk he needs to be ok with.
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Just a side note, my daughter is a MS3 currently on scholarship, while we were out of state last week watching her sisters play soccer, she answered her cell phone and it was an Army Reserves recruiter asking her if she was interested in the SMP program. She politely declined but took his information to give to a few cadets at school who have not received a campus based scholarship who might be interested in the Reserves option. So even if going the traditional 4 year school route without a scholarship is a better option for a kid, the opportunities for the NG/Reserves do not go away.
In regard to AROTC, Yes....sometimes. Cadet Command has a certain number of scholarships they plan to award, if an applicant declines the scholarship during the 30 day period then Cadet Command will just fill that slot in subsequent boards. Now if the applicant hold on to that scholarship until they hear from one of the SA's or decides to hold it until after the last board then it's anyone's guess what Cadet Command will do at that point.
If a student is awarded a 3 YR AD AROTC on the second board, can he still be in the mix for a 4 YR in the 3rd board? If so, anything in particular he needs to do to make that happen? If not, can the college AROTC program award that extra year up front, or are we pretty much set with 3 years? Thanks.
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For the majority of 3 year AD recipients, it will be a 3 year scholarship. There are a few “retroactive” upgrades given after the third board. What that means is if after the 3rd board they find that they find they gave less 4 year than they budgeted for then they will look back at the OML and might change some 3 year to a 4 year.
Upgrades at the school level are also not to be counted on. My DD several years ago got upgraded to an extra semester her freshman year. So that is possible but those conversations should take place with the schools on his list. Also in my DD’s case her school offered a room and board scholarship for all 4 years, which helps a lot. These type of school based scholarships for ROTC scholarship recipients are on a school by school basis. But again, that is why talking to each school on his list before accepting a school will be important. He will have a month to accept so there is time to investigate and see what the most affordable option is. We found that the expensive private school was less expensive than some of the state school options she had to choose form that she would pay housing for all four years,
Good luck to you and keep us posted
Upgrades at the school level are also not to be counted on. My DD several years ago got upgraded to an extra semester her freshman year. So that is possible but those conversations should take place with the schools on his list. Also in my DD’s case her school offered a room and board scholarship for all 4 years, which helps a lot. These type of school based scholarships for ROTC scholarship recipients are on a school by school basis. But again, that is why talking to each school on his list before accepting a school will be important. He will have a month to accept so there is time to investigate and see what the most affordable option is. We found that the expensive private school was less expensive than some of the state school options she had to choose form that she would pay housing for all four years,
Good luck to you and keep us posted
Thanks. Will do.
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I haven’t heard of anyone actually accepting the 2 year scholarship but some have been offered it. I believe it mainly has to do with the application itself. On your application (I think the school of intent page) it asks if you would consider an ECP offer. Most likely, they are going off the list of people that clicked “yes”.