Vaping at USMA

angler27

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I myself personally do not vape, but I have friends that do. Are you allowed to vape at USMA and if so what age? Are there any certain restrictions in regards to e-cigarettes like JUUL? How many cadets actually do vape?
 
Tell your "friend" the only vaping will be from their 4th point of contact.... If vaping is really a consideration, USMA and a career as an Army Officer may not be a good fit.
 
They refer to it as, "Juuling,". Many do it there. Whether it is permitted or not, I do not know.
 
Tell your "friend" the only vaping will be from their 4th point of contact.... If vaping is really a consideration, USMA and a career as an Army Officer may not be a good fit.

I’m currently a Rat at VMI. It is an extremely common thing here, as I’m sure it is at Westpoint. I don’t really think a person who engages in vaping isn’t fit out to be an army officer.
 
....unless it isn’t allowed. And a person would have to hide it. BC it isnt allowed. That would be the problem. Not the actual process of vaping.
 
GoArmy2022 is a plebe @ WP maybe they could weigh in on the legality and prevalence of vaping.
It is curious that you are asking for a friend...why? If you do not vape why would you concern yourself with this information?
 
From a larger perspective, it looks like the FDA is taking active steps against the growing trend of nicotine addiction with these e-cigarettes, of which Juul has the market share. Though Juul markets its devices as an interim measure for tobacco product addicts to get their nicotine hit from a direct chemical mixture, rather than a cigarette or other tobacco product, the fact that it is marketed with fruit flavors and other flavors (bubblegum!) is a dead giveaway for the teen market intent. The nicotine is several times more concentrated, from what research I have done, and the other chemical additives are not considered healthful for a developing brain. There hasn’t been enough time to assess long-term damage of inhaling nicotine and other chemicals in this form.

It’s taken a long time for this country to kick a nicotine addiction, and now it’s started all over again.

Human beings, the things we do to our bodies, for reasons I cannot fathom.
 
From a larger perspective, it looks like the FDA is taking active steps against the growing trend of nicotine addiction with these e-cigarettes, of which Juul has the market share. Though Juul markets its devices as an interim measure for tobacco product addicts to get their nicotine hit from a direct chemical mixture, rather than a cigarette or other tobacco product, the fact that it is marketed with fruit flavors and other flavors (bubblegum!) is a dead giveaway for the teen market intent. The nicotine is several times more concentrated, from what research I have done, and the other chemical additives are not considered healthful for a developing brain. There hasn’t been enough time to assess long-term damage of inhaling nicotine and other chemicals in this form.

It’s taken a long time for this country to kick a nicotine addiction, and now it’s started all over again.

Human beings, the things we do to our bodies, for reasons I cannot fathom.

Great Post! Wall Street Journal report suggested the Food & Drug Administration is prepared to ban the sale of menthol cigarettes alongside a crackdown on teenage vaping. Goodbye Kools and Newports. FDA Commissioner has said if new steps do not curb teen vaping an outright ban would be considered. I guess those who need nicotine will go back to Winston and Marlboro cigarettes.
 
the fact that it is marketed with fruit flavors and other flavors (bubblegum!) is a dead giveaway for the teen market intent.

This is not the case. I do not use or suggest the use of this product because I think it is destructive. However, the flavors were meant to make the Juul more attractive to the existing adult smoker than a regular cigarette and has been successful in taking many adults off of cigarettes. Nobody can say that the use of a Juul is more harmful than smoking cigarettes with a straight face and there is no $1Bn revenue corporation on the planet that desires to sell prohibited products to children.

I think the introduction of teens/young adults who did not previously smoke cigarettes into this market was an unintended consequence of how good the product design is and loose regulations. Obviously the company and the FDA along with state/local governments have caught onto this, and it will surely be remedied quickly.
 
Vaping is definitely popular at West Point, along with dipping. This is common amongst all colleges and especially in the military. I visited West Point recently and brought this question to the attention of my cadet. He told me just how popular it was, and even how it’s more popular with female cadets because they don’t prefer dipping. He even used his bunk mate as an example. His bunk mate is on patches to stop his nicotine addiction. When I stayed the night, I met this other cadet who told me he used to vape 4 cartridges of oil a day which costed him a punch of money. Don’t vape or use anything that ultimately destroys your body!
 
I told my ds that between dentist and orthodontia we’ve spent about $10,000 on that spectacular smile of his. He’s an an adult. He’s in the army. I told him that I hoped he wouldn’t use tobacco as he’s seen the effects of the addiction, but ultimately I know I cannot stop him. But if he does it he owes me $10,000 dollars. He should actually pay more considering the time I spent sitting in that orthodontist waiting room. I am not kidding. I’ll tolerate the occasional cigar but dipping vaping or cigarettes and I want my money back.
 
I told my ds that between dentist and orthodontia we’ve spent about $10,000 on that spectacular smile of his. He’s an an adult. He’s in the army. I told him that I hoped he wouldn’t use tobacco as he’s seen the effects of the addiction, but ultimately I know I cannot stop him. But if he does it he owes me $10,000 dollars. He should actually pay more considering the time I spent sitting in that orthodontist waiting room. I am not kidding. I’ll tolerate the occasional cigar but dipping vaping or cigarettes and I want my money back.

Uh....Can someone explain how vaping would harm his teeth or smile? It's a nicotine delivery system.
 
Uh....Can someone explain how vaping would harm his teeth or smile? It's a nicotine delivery system.

Uh....Can someone explain why this thread didn't end after the first response? This forum takes such delight in it's "best and brightest and most athletic" adolescent leaders while engaging in some sort of rationalization of vaping and dipping. Does anyone believe the manufacturers care anymore about the contents of the pods than R. J. Reynolds ever cared about the contents of their cigarettes or Skoal and their "smokeless tobacco?" They care most about the pod not exploding in your face.

It was best put by my not-without-vice DS, "I guess it's good to get rid of the lung cancer risk, but you still look like an idiot."

Thank you, @gill0610 .

BTW there's more than Dental health involved:

https://www.businessinsider.com/vaping-e-cigs-juul-health-effects-2018-10
 
Uh....Can someone explain why this thread didn't end after the first response? This forum takes such delight in it's "best and brightest and most athletic" adolescent leaders while engaging in some sort of rationalization of vaping and dipping.

Too often I think the older generation on this forum take questions from prospective Cadets and Mids about stuff like vaping, tattoos, etc. as opportunities to moralize. The OP asked a simple yes or no question about whether or not it was allowed.

Like it or not, a large number of military members dip, smoke, or vape. Personally, I find tobacco use harmful and gross and do not partake. But, it's legal. The military medical community already goes out of its way to inform everyone about the hazards of tobacco use. In a professional capacity, I cannot (and do not) hold tobacco use against a Marine. If he starts failing PFTs and going into debt because of cigarettes? Then we'll talk.
 
Does anyone believe the manufacturers care anymore about the contents of the pods than R. J. Reynolds ever cared about the contents of their cigarettes or Skoal and their "smokeless tobacco?"

I'm sure they very much care about the contents of their pods. A company that is non-compliant with health and safety regulations probably isn't much of a company anymore. A company whose product is labeled unsafe is sure to take a a big hit to the bottom line. For a $1Bn revenue company, I'm sure they've spent and continue to spend hundreds of millions on R&D and how to make the product safer and more effective. This is not a rogue product or corporation by any means.
 
Um...so the OP joined recently...with the name angler...and has yet to respond to a single post. Tell you anything about the OP and the legitimacy of the thread?
 
I told my ds that between dentist and orthodontia we’ve spent about $10,000 on that spectacular smile of his. He’s an an adult. He’s in the army. I told him that I hoped he wouldn’t use tobacco as he’s seen the effects of the addiction, but ultimately I know I cannot stop him. But if he does it he owes me $10,000 dollars. He should actually pay more considering the time I spent sitting in that orthodontist waiting room. I am not kidding. I’ll tolerate the occasional cigar but dipping vaping or cigarettes and I want my money back.

Uh....Can someone explain how vaping would harm his teeth or smile? It's a nicotine delivery system.[/QUOTE

Son, is that you?

You’re going to have a hard time finding a dentist or medical professional that will say nicotine isn’t harmful to every system in your body, including your teeth and gums. When my oldest was in high school hookah was a big thing. Tobacco companies have to keep reinventing their junk to suck in new addicts. And there was a lot of discussion about how hookah was better for you than cigarettes.

https://www.deltadentalwa.com/blog/entry/2018/06/ecigarettes-vaping-dental-health
 
the fact that it is marketed with fruit flavors and other flavors (bubblegum!) is a dead giveaway for the teen market intent.

This is not the case. I do not use or suggest the use of this product because I think it is destructive. However, the flavors were meant to make the Juul more attractive to the existing adult smoker than a regular cigarette and has been successful in taking many adults off of cigarettes. Nobody can say that the use of a Juul is more harmful than smoking cigarettes with a straight face and there is no $1Bn revenue corporation on the planet that desires to sell prohibited products to children.
I think the introduction of teens/young adults who did not previously smoke cigarettes into this market was an unintended consequence of how good the product design is and loose regulations. Obviously the company and the FDA along with state/local governments have caught onto this, and it will surely be remedied quickly.


I highlighted the part that I think needs to be re-evaluated. I can definitely tell you, with a straight face, that vaping is as harmful and may be more harmful. I do a lot of research right now...and it took no time to find a peer reviewed study, published in the journal "Thorax" (which is the official magazine of the British Thoracic Society) that outlines some of the dangers. There were many; from causing lung blisters, to damaging the immune capability of alveolar sacs, and more. It's an easy journal article to find; and it's very informative....and in my mind, frightening.

Steve
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