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I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
 
To the best of my knowledge you must have a 3Q letter to even be considered for appointment
 
With a 3Q and a Nomination you are ready to receive an appointment. How likely is totally unpredictable. All appointees are 3Q' ed.

Keep checking your Portal and working to improve your scores.

It's a long wait until May. Brace yourself.

Best of luck!
 
At an aggregate (i.e. national) level, about half of all candidates who are 3Q with a nomination receive an offer of appointment. But remember that initially, you’re competing at the congressional district level. And as has been discussed ad nauseum on SAF, some districts are very competitive and others aren’t. So do not read into this that you have roughly a 50% chance. Initially, it all depends on your district. Best wishes.
 
3Q Letters go out to candidates that are 3Q with nomination, but offers are ultimately based either on a candidate's WCS, or how their member of Congress ranked them in their nomination slate. A MOC can choose to nominate someone with a low WCS, which will result in a candidate getting a 3Q letter with little chance of an offer if the nominations are submitted competitively. A 3Q letter plus strong test scores, grades and strong leadership is the clearest way in as a vacancy winner or qualified alternate.
 
JK2009 said:
3Q Letters go out to candidates that are 3Q with nomination, but offers are ultimately based either on a candidate's WCS, or how their member of Congress ranked them in their nomination slate. A MOC can choose to nominate someone with a low WCS, which will result in a candidate getting a 3Q letter with little chance of an offer if the nominations are submitted competitively. A 3Q letter plus strong test scores, grades and strong leadership is the clearest way in as a vacancy winner or qualified alternate.
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LOA in a competitive district with another LOA seems like the clearest way.
 
Last year, my candidate son received a 3Q letter, a Congressional Nomination, and a Senatorial Nomination. He did not receive an Appointment. My older USMA Grad never received a 3Q letter - He had a Congressional Nomination, and he did receive an Appointment.
 
ThayerWeek said:
Last year, my candidate son received a 3Q letter, a Congressional Nomination, and a Senatorial Nomination. He did not receive an Appointment. My older USMA Grad never received a 3Q letter - He had a Congressional Nomination, and he did receive an Appointment.
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In your opinion, do you see a difference in strengths or weaknesses in your kids that would make sense as to why?
 
A1Janitor said:
ThayerWeek said:
Last year, my candidate son received a 3Q letter, a Congressional Nomination, and a Senatorial Nomination. He did not receive an Appointment. My older USMA Grad never received a 3Q letter - He had a Congressional Nomination, and he did receive an Appointment.
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In your opinion, do you see a difference in strengths or weaknesses in your kids that would make sense as to why?
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Both were above the "average" that WP publishes each year about the current Class.
Grad had a GPA that was .2 points higher than his brother and had a very high HS class rank.
Candidate had an SAT score that was 110 points higher than the Grad.

Very similar in sports, and service. Both very athletic - but not recruited athletes.

Still can't understand it. Candidate is now a college re-applicant - trying again. The wait is killing me.....
 
ThayerWeek said:
A1Janitor said:
ThayerWeek said:
Last year, my candidate son received a 3Q letter, a Congressional Nomination, and a Senatorial Nomination. He did not receive an Appointment. My older USMA Grad never received a 3Q letter - He had a Congressional Nomination, and he did receive an Appointment.
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In your opinion, do you see a difference in strengths or weaknesses in your kids that would make sense as to why?
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Both were above the "average" that WP publishes each year about the current Class.
Grad had a GPA that was .2 points higher than his brother and had a very high HS class rank.
Candidate had an SAT score that was 110 points higher than the Grad.

Very similar in sports, and service. Both very athletic - but not recruited athletes.

Still can't understand it. Candidate is now a college re-applicant - trying again. The wait is killing me.....
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I share your pain & wish you well!
 
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
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I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
 
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
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I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.
 
A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
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I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.[/QUOTE
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A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
Click to expand...
I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.
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Oh no!! Was not wanting to read that. I guess it’s good not to get my hopes up.
 
A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
Click to expand...
I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.
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It was our experience that an LOA is golden. If you get one you normally get in. LOA's are normally issued to D-1 athletes or young people with ACT scores above 34. An LOA is the Academy saying you are so accomplished in some way that we want you and will take you if you want to come here. The exception to that statement is your medical exam. Our experience is that West Point is very strict on the standards related to a medical exams. If you can not pass your medical exam or you have a medical condition (like being color blind) you normally do not get in. The same for people with histories of concussions, people who take asthma medication, have irritable bowel syndrome etc. etc. Most of the Cadets at West Point are in premium condition medically and physically and sail through the exams. It is also normally very difficult to get any medical waiver although I have heard of a few. I hope that helps.
 
runnergirljem said:
A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
Click to expand...
I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.
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Oh no!! Was not wanting to read that. I guess it’s good not to get my hopes up.
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Sorry, I just wish we had gotten the truth and real honestly from the beginning. Don't get me wrong, my DS would have probably still took the same path. However, it was very hard looking at that portal every day praying for the BFE.
 
SFRanger said:
A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
Click to expand...
I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.
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It was our experience that an LOA is golden. If you get one you normally get in. LOA's are normally issued to D-1 athletes or young people with ACT scores above 34. An LOA is the Academy saying you are so accomplished in some way that we want you and will take you if you want to come here. The exception to that statement is your medical exam. Our experience is that West Point is very strict on the standards related to a medical exams. If you can not pass your medical exam or you have a medical condition (like being color blind) you normally do not get in. The same for people with histories of concussions, people who take asthma medication, have irritable bowel syndrome etc. etc. Most of the Cadets at West Point are in premium condition medically and physically and sail through the exams. It is also normally very difficult to get any medical waiver although I have heard of a few. I hope that helps.
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His LOA is Naval Academy. He was told he would have been accepted by any academy. He didn’t apply to USNA or USAFA where he wouldn’t need a waiver.

He was told his early LOA was rare. He isn’t a D1 athlete. He was invited to CVW based on his SAT scores - which is the only thing done at that point of invite.
 
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
Click to expand...
I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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There is much more to the process than this and most of this is not true. No one knows why some RCs send them and some do not but getting one does not mean you must compete for the 150 slots from the NW. Getting a 3Q letter really just says that your file has been qualified. This can happen anytime in the process. Once the application window closes, candidates that are 3Q are evaluated on their slates and the winners are identified. Technically everyone who is qualified is on the NWL. Slate winners are pulled and offered admission. Now the individuals who are 3Q that do not win a slate so have to compete for the 150 NWL slots and that competition is tough. Most primary MOC slates will not be resolved until February. Make sure you add any new accomplishments to your file, work on Plan B and enjoy your senior year.
 
A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
A1Janitor said:
SFRanger said:
Johanna_21 said:
I received a 3Q letter and I was wondering how likely it will be for me to get an appointment.

Do people with a 3Q letter usually get appointed?
Click to expand...
I am going to give the information that I wished we had been given. The first time my DS got a 3Q letter and his nomination we were over joyed. We thought that meant he would probably get it. Fact is that is not the case. It also does not mean you will not get in but the chances are not very good. Being on the list is positive and depending on how high you are ranked you still have a chance. Your race, sex and the competitiveness of your district all play a major role. With that said most of the people that get in never get a 3Q letter. They get an LOA, LOE or just their acceptance letter. Last year my DS did not get a 3Q letter. He only received his acceptance. With that said, being 3Q with a nomination put you in an elite crowd. The competition for these slots is unbelievably tough. My advice if you do not get in is to not give up. Go to one of the prep schools like Marion. Dig in and make yourself so strong you cannot be denied. The struggle is worth it but you have to be committed and determined. I am not trying to destroy dreams, I am just trying to be honest.
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I like your post.

But ... my son and I have talked about it. His option is a bachelor degree before he turns 20 or the naval academy now. He has worked hard for his numbers.

And he is considered a top candidate with an early LOA. If he was not colorblind - he would be in. Since he is colorblind - he might not/probably won’t get the waiver.

What more can he do? Work hard next year and almost complete his bachelor degree. And reapply and hope he gets a waiver that year?

Prep school isn’t an option for him.

He is thinking he is either good enough now or he isn’t.
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It was our experience that an LOA is golden. If you get one you normally get in. LOA's are normally issued to D-1 athletes or young people with ACT scores above 34. An LOA is the Academy saying you are so accomplished in some way that we want you and will take you if you want to come here. The exception to that statement is your medical exam. Our experience is that West Point is very strict on the standards related to a medical exams. If you can not pass your medical exam or you have a medical condition (like being color blind) you normally do not get in. The same for people with histories of concussions, people who take asthma medication, have irritable bowel syndrome etc. etc. Most of the Cadets at West Point are in premium condition medically and physically and sail through the exams. It is also normally very difficult to get any medical waiver although I have heard of a few. I hope that helps.
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His LOA is Naval Academy. He was told he would have been accepted by any academy. He didn’t apply to USNA or USAFA where he wouldn’t need a waiver.

He was told his early LOA was rare. He isn’t a D1 athlete. He was invited to CVW based on his SAT scores - which is the only thing done at that point of invite.
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Congrats, that tells me he scored so high on his SAT that he can probably get into any school in the county.
 
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