3yr AROTC scholorship ? attend National guard summer camp?

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I have searched but really confused. Can an army cadet under a 3 year scholarship, attend a national guard summer camp for some extra training and PT? Then go back to college and continue on. Is there a commitment to fill with the national guard? Hope this doesn't sound too dumb.
 
I have searched but really confused. Can an army cadet under a 3 year scholarship, attend a national guard summer camp for some extra training and PT? Then go back to college and continue on. Is there a commitment to fill with the national guard? Hope this doesn't sound too dumb.
Basic training? Or just a camp?
 
Talk to your cadre before signing anything, ever. They can give you the answers you need.
 
No, well sort of. If you have a 3 year scholarship then you would simply enroll in ROTC for your freshman year, as long as you meet the requirements then you would contract the start of your sophomore year and your scholarship would begin, unless you do well, get a bit lucky, and get a scholarship upgrade during your freshman year.

If you enlist to go to BCT the summer before your freshman year then you would take the SMP route, you would lose the 3 year scholarship and then contract as a SMP cadet sometime during your sophomore year. To get all the benefits SMP has to offer you would need to complete both BCT and AIT, this may take up some of your school year.

Right now you have a bird in the hand with the scholarship, my advice would be to stick with that, BCT will not give you the what you think it might.
 
Please let me clarify now that I have the whole story. Our DD is coming to the end of her freshman year of college. She has been enrolled in AROTC from the start of her freshman year. She has been medically qualified from Dodmerb. She is being told she is on track for a 3 yr scholarship that would cover years 2,3,and 4 of college. Last week at the college, a National guard recruiter had an info nite at school and said that since the scholarship is not in effect until the end of this year, she could enlist in the guard, attend summer training and when her scholarship kicks in in August or September the National guard would discharge her. They are telling her the extra training and PT would greatly benefit her in her Army career. My question is, Does this sound right? She is also speaking to her cadre.
 
She should be guided by what her ROO tells her. This is a complicated topic and one could end up with an obligation to the guard. If she want active duty then consulting the ROO to understand ALL the ins and outs is a wise move. I always recommend not making a move without input from the ROO.
 
Thank you very much. this was my thought, but wanted someone like your self to verify. When you get a bunch of college freshmen together, someone always knows way more than any parent could possible know.
 
Please let me clarify now that I have the whole story. Our DD is coming to the end of her freshman year of college. She has been enrolled in AROTC from the start of her freshman year. She has been medically qualified from Dodmerb. She is being told she is on track for a 3 yr scholarship that would cover years 2,3,and 4 of college. Last week at the college, a National guard recruiter had an info nite at school and said that since the scholarship is not in effect until the end of this year, she could enlist in the guard, attend summer training and when her scholarship kicks in in August or September the National guard would discharge her. They are telling her the extra training and PT would greatly benefit her in her Army career. My question is, Does this sound right? She is also speaking to her cadre.

It may be technically correct but extremely risky. Sounds like the Cadre are in her corner for a possible 3 year scholarship which is great.

Think of it this way, the Battalion uses the scholarship as a recruitment tool, they want to lock in the good cadets by offering the scholarship and signing a contract early. This allows them to have another contracted cadet with an obligation to the Army, it's good for both the cadet and the Battalion. If your daughter enlists in the National Guard (NG) to attend BCT this summer then she will now be obligated to the Army. The Battalion will no longer need to offer her a scholarship because she will now be able to become a SMP cadet through the guard and she will already be obligated to the Army. The Battalion can now offer that scholarship to another cadet so they can increase the number of contracted cadets leaving your daughter out in the cold. Now the only option your daughter would have for a scholarship would be one from the Guard which would obligate her to the Reserve/NG upon commissioning with no chance at all for Active Duty.

Your daughter would have to attend AIT as well to get any benefits above drill pay which could mean she would have to miss a semester of school or go the following summer, which would mean that she would miss out on training that would be available to her as a contracted cadet. Not only this but she will now be required to attend drill one weekend every month while at school. Even if the Battalion still offers her the scholarship they will be in no rush and could wait until the end of her sophomore year, meaning she would miss out on having one year's tuition paid and would be drilling once a month.

Simply going to BCT over the summer will do nothing to benefit her Army career as an officer. BCT is basic training for enlisted soldiers, that's what it is designed for, it has nothing to do with preparation to become an officer, that's why she is in ROTC.

NG recruiters have these "Info Nights" at a lot of schools, they do a great job of making it sound so easy and wonderful and they always seem to get some cadets to bite the hook.

Your daughter has done well enough to put herself in a position that the Cadre is talking about offering her a scholarship. If she enlists she removes that incentive from the Cadre to offer her that scholarship.

I mention "Enlist" because that is what it is. They may be presenting it as just a formality so she can go to BCT but it is what it is, Enlistment. Once she signs that paper she belongs to the NG, if the Battalion doesn't offer her the scholarship she can't simply leave the Guard, the Guard now owns her and they will have to give a formal release even if the Battalion offers her the scholarship and that release is not guaranteed.

One other thing for her to consider, and it's a big one. She is now qualified through Dodmerb, which means they are serious about the scholarship. BCT is physical and people do get hurt, even if an injury is minor it is required to be reported to Dodmerb. She could easily be DQ'd and then require a waiver which means the scholarship offer is now off the table until she is requalified, the Battalion is now free to offer that scholarship to another cadet.

I'll be honest, if it were one of my son's facing this decision I would do all I could to talk them out of it. The risks far out weigh and benefits they push in their sales pitch.
 
She should know about her scholarship status before the summer break with ROTC. Just remind her, recruiters recruit - it is what they do. And they are good at it. You already have great advice for her to not do anything without input from her cadre. I think the extra summer training thing is over rated. She will get lots of training and all the training she needs to be an officer. We have been there with my daughter as well, so excited and wanting to do extra summer training. It didn’t work out for her and she ended up doing other things, like working at a summer camp and traveling. She is now an MS3 and doesn’t have any regrets just being a college kid between her freshman and sophomore year.

The reality is if she signs that contract for the NG, she might be obligated to NG, if she wants to be active duty, she needs to be careful what she signs. She can’t ask for too much clarification and if she desides to do it she should bring the contrac to her ROTC cadre and ROO and make sure the contract says what she thinks it says before she actually signs anything. The whole measure twice and cut once philosophy!
 
Here is the biggest risk...to sign what we call a “line” scholarship she would have to be released from her unit before she can contract. That’s usually a form that needs to be signed by a field grade officer...talk to just about any ROO and you’ll hear horror stories about getting a cadet released to accept a scholarship.

Agree with above...BCT does very little to make a difference in an officer’s career. The National Guard recruiter I work with in the North Country knows better than to try this pitch.
 
again, Thank you. I think I have convinced her to do "Nothing" at this time. Cadre says she's on tract along with the Roo.
 
again, Thank you. I think I have convinced her to do "Nothing" at this time. Cadre says she's on tract along with the Roo.

Just to add to the above advice to be cautious when enlisting and attempting the SMP option - the obligation to complete AIT within one year of Basic Training is pretty much a requirement of both the Guard and Army Reserves. I recently spoke to a high school student who enlisted in the Reserves while in high school and completed his basic training during his junior summer. He applied for an Army ROTC scholarship and received a 3 yr scholarship and acceptance to The Citadel. However, his Reserve unit scheduled him for AIT after the end of his Senior year in high school - to start on 1 August and finish in early September. This would mean he is not eligible to enroll at The Citadel as all freshmen must enter at the same time in mid-August. The ROO at the college told him since he was already enlisted in the Reserves he could do SMP, but he would need to be released from his current Reserve unit (another state from where the college is located) and then seek a transfer to a local unit near the college so he could meet his monthly training - and then seek a deferment of AIT since he would be enrolled in ROTC - all of which would need to be accomplished in a few month period. I don't know the end of this story, but I assume this is not a scenario that is very different from enlisting in the National Guard.

again, Thank you. I think I have convinced her to do "Nothing" at this time. Cadre says she's on tract along with the Roo.
 
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