Out of running? Appointment offered to another form MOC nomination

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My DS just learned that there was an appointment offer extended to another candidate that also received a nomination from our MOC. Does this mean that DS will be getting a TWE next week or is there still some hope? New to this process and am not entirely sure how is works. Thanks!
 
So if your not offered an appointment by your nominating source(MOC)..meaning it was filled by another candidate that received a nomination by him, there is still hope? Haven't received the TWE, but the MOC dept stated they were notified and offered the appointments..i hope this make sense.
 
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Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
 
There is always hope until the TWE.

If USAFA follows USNA and USMMA than the TWEs are dropping now.
 
TXSpideymom said:
So if your not offered an appointment by your nominating source(MOC)..meaning it was filled by another candidate that received a nomination by him, there is still hope? Haven't received the TWE, but the MOC dept stated they were notified and offered the appointments..i hope this make sense.
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1. You can't assume the appointee was charged to the MOC. He or she could have been charged elsewhere. You have no way of knowing.
2. Even if they were charged to the MOC your kid is on the NWL and they can still receive an appointment off the NWL. Half the class will come off the NWL in one way or another.
3. You're in it until you receive a TWE.
 
Thats_my_Boy! said:
Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
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Let me change the facts, in this situation, if DS/DD "looses" slate and the winner is qualified and accepts appointment and you have no other nomination source, then you are moved to NWL. Then you can get pulled from NWL. Is that correct?

As I was typing, I think kinnem answered my question.
 
kinnem said:
TXSpideymom said:
So if your not offered an appointment by your nominating source(MOC)..meaning it was filled by another candidate that received a nomination by him, there is still hope? Haven't received the TWE, but the MOC dept stated they were notified and offered the appointments..i hope this make sense.
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1. You can't assume the appointee was charged to the MOC. He or she could have been charged elsewhere. You have no way of knowing.
2. Even if they were charged to the MOC your kid is on the NWL and they can still receive an appointment off the NWL. Half the class will come off the NWL in one way or another.
3. You're in it until you receive a TWE.
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Thanks!!
 
Susan707 said:
Thats_my_Boy! said:
Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
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Let me change the facts, in this situation, if DS/DD "looses" slate and the winner is qualified and accepts appointment and you have no other nomination source, then you are moved to NWL. Then you can get pulled from NWL. Is that correct?

As I was typing, I think kinnem answered my question.
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Actually, as I understand it, if you are qualified with a nom you get put on the NWL right away. All appointees, even those winning a slate, come off the NWL. But your mental model of it works too. Either way leads to the same result.
 
kinnem said:
Susan707 said:
Thats_my_Boy! said:
Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
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Let me change the facts, in this situation, if DS/DD "looses" slate and the winner is qualified and accepts appointment and you have no other nomination source, then you are moved to NWL. Then you can get pulled from NWL. Is that correct?

As I was typing, I think kinnem answered my question.
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Actually, as I understand it, if you are qualified with a nom you get put on the NWL right away. All appointees, even those winning a slate, come off the NWL. But your mental model of it works too. Either way leads to the same result.
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You bring up a good point of not knowing which MOC each candidate is actually charged too.
 
Thats_my_Boy! said:
Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
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If MOC “B” has no cadets attending USAFA because they only received two nominations to USMA and USNA then it still wouldn’t be possible to transfer that MOCs nomination and potential appointment to an applicant of another district. Once all the slates have been decided, applicants are moved to the national wait list (NWL) and the top 150 or so are offered appointments.
 
Carm23 said:
Thats_my_Boy! said:
Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
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If MOC “B” has no cadets attending USAFA because they only received two nominations to USMA and USNA then it still wouldn’t be possible to transfer that MOCs nomination and potential appointment to an applicant of another district. Once all the slates have been decided, applicants are moved to the national wait list (NWL) and the top 150 or so are offered appointments.
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Same result
 
Carm23 said:
Thats_my_Boy! said:
Lets say MOC "A" has 1 slot, a highly competitive district and nominated 10 candidates. The top one turned down USAFA to go to USNA, #2 wasn't medically qualified and #3 is the offered Appointment you speak of and your DS/DD was #4 (A highly competitive candidate) MOC "B" representing a not so competitive district within your state only submitted 2 nominations but of those 2 one went to USMA and one to USNA then you're DS/DD could still technically be found a slot. Anyway... Don't give up!!!
Click to expand...
If MOC “B” has no cadets attending USAFA because they only received two nominations to USMA and USNA then it still wouldn’t be possible to transfer that MOCs nomination and potential appointment to an applicant of another district. Once all the slates have been decided, applicants are moved to the national wait list (NWL) and the top 150 or so are offered appointments.
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Actually more than 150 are offered appointments. By law they are required to offer the top 150 an appointment, but they are then free to fill out the class how they want. Nevertheless, all appointments come off the NWL, it's just that the order doesn't matter when picking folks beyond the 150.
 
Slots between MOCs are not moved or exchanged in any year. Each Congressman is allowed 5 at any one time. If they do not have a qualified candidate in a given year, there slot will remain open and they would technically have two the next year. I know of a district that has absolutely zero charged cadets at one academy.

There is a target number of appointments in each class so the un-filled MOC slot is really not wasted. It will be filled by the "Additional Appointees" towards the end of the process.
 
Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen.... Bottom line: We will find out soon. Trying to stay positive. Funny thing is that my DS is much less stressed. (Will serve him well)
 
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