Drug Use and Domestic Terrorist Threat

vernacilis said:
I reported my ex-boyfriend, who’s currently in the AROTC, to the local police department and FBI for his possession of illicit drugs and threats to commit an act of terrorism. An FBI officer followed up on my tip, requesting more information.
Click to expand...

Don't know when you reported him, but if it was 24-48 hrs ago that you talked to the FBI and police, my bet is that the CoC of his unit has already been informed, along with the college administration. He probably also has been pulled into at least the det.
~ It does not matter if it is a Sat. They do not take to this lightly.
~ College might wait until they have firmer details.

His career is basically over, if he needs a TS clearance. He will be asked every which way from Sunday if he ever had issues with the law. His answers will be YES.
~ He will have swear to no drug issues. You have contacted law enforcement that he does drugs. Big NO NO .
~ He now has the FBI looking into him for terrorism. Big NO NO
~TS clearances are done by govt agents. They interview many people. The paperwork alone that a cadet fills out is @60+ pages.

My guess is even if he is pulled in to the det., which I am sure he will once the police and FBI contact the school and det, they will let him defend himself. He is innocent until proven guilty. However, the taint on him, even if they cannot prove a case is going to be bad. There will be lingering questions within the unit. He will now be the talk of the unit because he is being investigated, including his peers.

To sum it up, jmpo, but even if he is innocent of what you stated, he is toast. Caveat: Unless he lives for a constant uphill battle.
~ Fight against the charges.
~ Prove to the cadre that these are false accusations
~ Prove to his friends and peers
~ Prove to the govt agent for the TS that he was cleared. Remember the question is not just convicted, but issues with law enforcement. He will have to say yes, and explain the whole story, which will require the agent to look deeper into his records.

Depending on the college, they may also have the right to kick him out due to zero tolerance policy (drugs) if he is living in the dorm.

vernacilis said:
I screenshot conversations he had with his friends, using the password he gave me, admitting to using drugs. I also got in touch with his superiors where they asked me to submit those photos to them through e-mail.
Click to expand...

You wonder the ??? Notice the bold. You knew this while you were dating, but now you are not together, yet, you are using his password to screenshot conversations...um it was okay he did while you were dating (illicit drugs), but now not so much.
~ I am not tech savvy, but how do you get back into his account? My kids don't use email. IM or text from their phones is the only way to contact them. I can get into my hubby's FB account, and get his IMs, but I can't get into his phone, unless I am using his phone. Hence, I can't do a screenshot unless it is his FB IM

Finally as I said above his career is toast. Here is the final reason why.
NO Commander (CoC) is going to risk their career or any member of their unit for a cadet with photographic proof of a cadet snorting a line of coke and a message saying how great that high was.
~ If you do not know what a ROTC unit is like. There will be an officer that has dedicated 18-20 yrs of their life active duty, close to retirement. They will have 3 more officers (varying ranks, but usually at least a decade in service), plus an enlisted member that has as many yrs. If that CoC ignores this, all of their careers are on the line. They will be written up if it all goes south and let him stay without proof that they took any type of initiative, such as, having him being told that they are aware he is being investigated by the police and FBI, and he is now counseled on his rights as a cadet in this situation.

OBTW, not sure, but I believe ROTC has the right to make him take the pee test. I have never heard of it done for a cadet, but I bet they have the right. The CoC may decide to nip this in the bud on Monday and send him for a urine test. You said you sent screen shots to the CoC. The CoC has the right to ask him for a urine test, at least that is to the best of my understanding.
 
Last edited:
Great post by Pima....while I get some people questioning the OP since it's her 1st post but I would hope that anybody that knows about a cadet making threats regarding domestic terrorism would take the time to report. Have you ever heard this before? "If you see something, say something". In this case, the OP saw and knows something and actually reported it. Assuming it's true to begin, I couldn't care less if she being spiteful or vindictive. If it's not true, she better hope she lives in Chicago and has friends in high places.
 
AJC said:
One or both of you will probably end up in prison
Click to expand...
vernacilis said:
using the password he gave me
Click to expand...

Just my 0.02 cents, I would look into covering your arse legally too. He may have given his password while you were dating, but not now. Just bc he did not change it after the break up, does not give you the right to go into his account and use his password to access anything.
~ You have admitted you went in after the fact.

I am not a lawyer, but to me this is a bite of the poisoned apple. The police and FBI may place him on a watchlist like the social worker stated while they build a case against him.

However, as you stated, you sent it also to his AROTC det., the CoC may be required to tell the school too, or vise a verse if the police or FBI contact the school 1st. If he is contracted (scholarship or jr+) the CoC may have to report this to command, and command can revoke the scholarship for the semester. That means no tuition and stipend. In the end he may be cleared. However, your accusations caused a semester or two with no scholarship and stipend (tens of thousands of dollars).
~ He has every right to now sue you in a civil court for damages, tuition, stipends, and punitive.

You also have openly admitted on at least this forum you used his password, and I am sure it was without permission.

Look, if he is that bad, I commend you for reaching out, wanting to make sure our country is safe.
Yet, as a parent on either side, I would be consulting an attorney ASAP
~ His side defense, and possible civil lawsuit...defamation of character
~ Your side, defending why you basically hacked his account...unless you have in writing he gave you access to his account, it is a he said she said. Oh and if he is cleared, libel, loss of a commission, etc.

Sorry, but the more I think about what you have stated, the more I think time to get an attorney involved. What do your folks think about this issue? I am a parent, and if 1 of my 3 kids came to me, I would have said time out...you hacked his account, you knew he did these things, and has shown terroristic tendencies, okay, let's call an attorney before we report. My job as a parent is to protect you, not him.
 
Pima said:
vernacilis said:
I reported my ex-boyfriend, who’s currently in the AROTC, to the local police department and FBI for his possession of illicit drugs and threats to commit an act of terrorism. An FBI officer followed up on my tip, requesting more information.
Click to expand...

Don't know when you reported him, but if it was 24-48 hrs ago that you talked to the FBI and police, my bet is that the CoC of his unit has already been informed, along with the college administration. He probably also has been pulled into at least the det.
~ It does not matter if it is a Sat. They do not take to this lightly.
~ College might wait until they have firmer details.

His career is basically over, if he needs a TS clearance. He will be asked every which way from Sunday if he ever had issues with the law. His answers will be YES.
~ He will have swear to no drug issues. You have contacted law enforcement that he does drugs. Big NO NO .
~ He now has the FBI looking into him for terrorism. Big NO NO
~TS clearances are done by govt agents. They interview many people. The paperwork alone that a cadet fills out is @60+ pages.

My guess is even if he is pulled in to the det., which I am sure he will once the police and FBI contact the school and det, they will let him defend himself. He is innocent until proven guilty. However, the taint on him, even if they cannot prove a case is going to be bad. There will be lingering questions within the unit. He will now be the talk of the unit because he is being investigated, including his peers.

To sum it up, jmpo, but even if he is innocent of what you stated, he is toast. Caveat: Unless he lives for a constant uphill battle.
~ Fight against the charges.
~ Prove to the cadre that these are false accusations
~ Prove to his friends and peers
~ Prove to the govt agent for the TS that he was cleared. Remember the question is not just convicted, but issues with law enforcement. He will have to say yes, and explain the whole story, which will require the agent to look deeper into his records.

Depending on the college, they may also have the right to kick him out due to zero tolerance policy (drugs) if he is living in the dorm.

vernacilis said:
I screenshot conversations he had with his friends, using the password he gave me, admitting to using drugs. I also got in touch with his superiors where they asked me to submit those photos to them through e-mail.
Click to expand...

You wonder the ??? Notice the bold. You knew this while you were dating, but now you are not together, yet, you are using his password to screenshot conversations...um it was okay he did while you were dating (illicit drugs), but now not so much.
~ I am not tech savvy, but how do you get back into his account? My kids don't use email. IM or text from their phones is the only way to contact them. I can get into my hubby's FB account, and get his IMs, but I can't get into his phone, unless I am using his phone. Hence, I can't do a screenshot unless it is his FB IM

Finally as I said above his career is toast. Here is the final reason why.
NO Commander (CoC) is going to risk their career or any member of their unit for a cadet with photographic proof of a cadet snorting a line of coke and a message saying how great that high was.
~ If you do not know what a ROTC unit is like. There will be an officer that has dedicated 18-20 yrs of their life active duty, close to retirement. They will have 3 more officers (varying ranks, but usually at least a decade in service), plus an enlisted member that has as many yrs. If that CoC ignores this, all of their careers are on the line. They will be written up if it all goes south and let him stay without proof that they took any type of initiative, such as, having him being told that they are aware he is being investigated by the police and FBI, and he is now counseled on his rights as a cadet in this situation.

OBTW, not sure, but I believe ROTC has the right to make him take the pee test. I have never heard of it done for a cadet, but I bet they have the right. The CoC may decide to nip this in the bud on Monday and send him for a urine test. You said you sent screen shots to the CoC. The CoC has the right to ask him for a urine test, at least that is to the best of my understanding.
Click to expand...


Thanks for your detailed response.

One minor point, even though I had his password, I never logged onto his account until he started telling me about his plans of terrorism. He also tipped me off about his drug habits because he brought this hallucinogenic cactus into his room. It was the first time that happened so I looked back into his messages dating back 3+ months to check out his history of drug use and fanaticism. Finally, I reported his drug use in the hope that he’d be kicked out of ROTC - he told me being in the army was step 1 in realizing his plans for terrorism.
 
vernacilis said:
One minor point, even though I had his password, I never logged onto his account until he started telling me about his plans of terrorism. He also tipped me off about his drug habits because he brought this hallucinogenic cactus into his room. It was the first time that happened so I looked back into his messages dating back 3+ months to check out his history of drug use and fanaticism. Finally, I reported his drug use in the hope that he’d be kicked out of ROTC - he told me being in the army was step 1 in realizing his plans for terrorism
Click to expand...
So you are saying you just broke up this week as soon as you saw his plans and the cactus?

I am not trying to be antagonistic, but I am sure you can see where I am going. 2 months ago you were dating, and he brought in the cactus, plus, saw these 3+mos old messages, but you remained silent for those 2 mos.

Big difference than finding out on Weds. when he brought in the cactus, and you saw these messages dating 3+ mos. On Thursday you called it off. Friday you contacted the authorities.

In essence, in 1 scenario you were fine with all of this for months until the relationship went south. In the 2nd scenario you bolted as soon as you were made aware of his character.
 
Last edited:
Pima said:
vernacilis said:
One minor point, even though I had his password, I never logged onto his account until he started telling me about his plans of terrorism. He also tipped me off about his drug habits because he brought this hallucinogenic cactus into his room. It was the first time that happened so I looked back into his messages dating back 3+ months to check out his history of drug use and fanaticism. Finally, I reported his drug use in the hope that he’d be kicked out of ROTC - he told me being in the army was step 1 in realizing his plans for terrorism
Click to expand...
So you are saying you just broke up this week.
Click to expand...
Yep. I was overseas for 3+ years so I wasn’t entirely there to see certain red flags. I just got back home.
 
vernacilis said:
Yep. I was overseas for 3+ years so I wasn’t entirely there to see certain red flags. I just got back home.
Click to expand...
This forum is not private. I'd suggest holding off on any further posts on this topic, OP.

If this story is not a bit, take Pima's advice to seek legal counsel and distance yourself from the individual you reported.
 
Sorry to hear your ex-boyfriend has drug issues but really that’s NUNYA business at this point. He’s your ex, not current boyfriend. I am anti-drugs, and feel even marijuana is a gateway drug (people use this first before moving to harder ones often). However, I know a lot of good people who use it, and just like in your case it’s not NUNMY bidness to address it. Trying to ruin his ROTC career and lift on his drug use when you’re not in a relationship with him is a bad reflection on your character and as others say – seems to be vindictive.

The fact that he made domestic terrorism threats is black and white clear - Good that you reported this and followed up with the FBI about that domestic threat aspect. I’m curious what you consider a domestic terrorism threat but really have to agree with guidance from others – you’re exposed and should just stop talking on this board.

Your choice to hack access his phone AFTER your breakup is, in a word - ILLEGAL. Somewhere in that hell hath no fury mind you know he would not have wanted you to access his phone at that time. You should have gone to the FBI, and they could have obtained this evidence legally/ with a warrant, and used it. I assume they haven't granted you immunity for your crime, and also assume they can't use this evidence for prosecution because of how it was obtained - if you really went to them (I have doubts because of how you describe them as officers, etc.), they would tell you, this evidence is now in legalese fruit of the poison tree, evidence obtained illegally, and now unfortunately if assuming he’s a legit terrorist your method will have damaged the usefulness of the evidence – instead of a terrorist sitting in Guantanamo or a federal prison, thanks to your actions, this terrorist will sitting free on domestic soil, likely in a civil attorney’s office, planning his suit against you which he will very likely win. Should have let the FBI handle it – they are The FBI and are well pretty good at these things even for previously deleted details. I hope you realize you’ve gift wrapped evidence of your crime and delivered it to the authorities. Take a moment and think about it – if he took pictures/ screenshots of details in your phone or FB app and showed them to others, with an intent to embarrass/ harm/ derail your career and life, how would you react? Would you sue him, have him arrested, take steps to ensure he goes to jail? As others have said, you should seek counsel.

The reaction from another posted of Wow was very appropriate and should be useful to you - don't dismiss it - your actions relating to an ex’s drug use are staggeringly damaging to someone you’re no longer in a relationship with, and your decision to hack him is careless. You seem amazingly unaware of how self-exposing those actions are to criminal and civil penalties. Seek counsel, get off this board because with every keystroke you appear to be digging yourself deeper/ continue to document what you did.

Not sure where you were for 3+ years but here we have laws, and you should be more careful to live within them. He's a terrorist, you're a hacker - too bad it didn't work out between you longer or it could have been a great story for CBS. Movie guy voice "This week on 60 minutes (ticking sound in backgound) He's a druggy and a terrorist. She's the ex-girlfriend hacker who destroyed his life. She's in jail, he's roaming free..."
 
Day-Tripper said:
FBI doesn't have "officers". They have "Special Agents". No, not just plain old "agents" like the rest of the federal government (Treasury, IRS, etc.), but "Special Agents". Thanks to J. Edgar Hoover.

Minor point on my behalf.
Click to expand...

You are right about the officer part, but now over 78 federal agencies have "Special Agents". IRS, Secret Service, DEA, ICE, ATF, and all the Offices of Inspector General...
 
cptenca said:
Day-Tripper said:
FBI doesn't have "officers". They have "Special Agents". No, not just plain old "agents" like the rest of the federal government (Treasury, IRS, etc.), but "Special Agents". Thanks to J. Edgar Hoover.

Minor point on my behalf.
Click to expand...

You are right about the officer part, but now over 78 federal agencies have "Special Agents". IRS, Secret Service, DEA, ICE, ATF, and all the Offices of Inspector General...
Click to expand...
Don’t forget Gibbs at NCIS.
 
Herman_Snerd said:
He's a terrorist, you're a hacker - too bad it didn't work out between you longer or it could have been a great story for CBS. Movie guy voice "This week on 60 minutes (ticking sound in backgound) He's a druggy and a terrorist. She's the ex-girlfriend hacker who destroyed his life. She's in jail, he's roaming free..."
Click to expand...

This sounds like a slightly skewed version of "Family of Spies" about John Anthony Walker.....
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top