National Guard to USMA

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Hello all,

I am currently applying to the USNA, I have received two nominations from my senator and my congressman.

My back up is UT Austin where I plan to do ROTC as well as the National Guard for tuition purposes. I am interested in pursuing an appointment through the national guard as a prior-enlisted applicant. Is this a common path? Is this path hard to do give 3q status?
 
This is not a common path. You will also need to get officer endorsements and that takes a while of hanging around to get. Not sure bout being released from the Guard if your taking their GRFD money but my guess is the answer is no until you've served your commitment. Consider this as a source of questions to ask along the way. I would also discuss this with the ROO at the UT Austin unit. ROOs are the gurus on this. Your local recruiter is not a guru.
 
This is not a common path. You will also need to get officer endorsements and that takes a while of hanging around to get. Not sure bout being released from the Guard if your taking their GRFD money but my guess is the answer is no until you've served your commitment. Consider this as a source of questions to ask along the way. I would also discuss this with the ROO at the UT Austin unit. ROOs are the gurus on this. Your local recruiter is not a guru.
Service academy appointments normally trump all enlisted contracts. You do NOT have to serve out your time due to a bonus prior to attending. Now if you fail to complete a service academy your prior obligation kicks in. It's on the FAQ page.
I've run into several prior National Guard Cadets. It can be done, but I imagine you would need to attend basic training this summer if you wish for the enlisted route.
Also, pursue all possible nominations. ROTC, senators and congressional.
 
I’m currently in the national guard and following a quite similar path. To secure an enlisted nomination you must graduate basic prior to R-day and be endorsed by your company (or higher) commander. In my case I’ve already spoken to the commander of my RSP unit and he has communicated a willingness to do so.
One caveat is that it may not be possible for you to attend basic/AIT prior to fall semester, so you may have to request an admissions deferral to winter or do split op. I’ll be doing the former, though ultimately it’s probably in your best interest to just stick with ROTC and pursue a contract (and the according ROTC nom if your heart is still set on the academy).

Also, what’s with the disparity between your plan A and B? Do you want to be a naval officer or an Army officer?
 
I’m currently in the national guard and following a quite similar path. To secure an enlisted nomination you must graduate basic prior to R-day and be endorsed by your company (or higher) commander. In my case I’ve already spoken to the commander of my RSP unit and he has communicated a willingness to do so.
One caveat is that it may not be possible for you to attend basic/AIT prior to fall semester, so you may have to request an admissions deferral to winter or do split op. This is what I’ll be doing, though ultimately it may be in your best interest to just stick with ROTC and pursue a contract (and the according ROTC nom if your heart is still set on the academy).
Yes, probably will need to do split training.
Also, if interested in this route you would need to talk to a recruiter now. It may already be tough to get a summer basic date.
 
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Yes, probably will need to do split training.
Also, if interested in this route you would need to talk to a recruiter now. It may already be tough to get a summer basic date.

I enlisted in December and wasn’t able to get anything before mid-August. This was for OSUT though so OP may still have a chance.
 
I'm also an enlisted soldier applying for admission to class of 2024. I received an LOA for 2023, but due to unforeseen circumstances I had to withdraw my application and will be reapplying for the upcoming cycle when the application opens up this Summer. That being said, allow me to inform you on as much as I know regarding this process.

First and foremost, I am active duty. I'm not very sure how the guard process works, but there is a user on this forum under the handle Honey_Badger who was recently granted a 2023 appointment via the National Guard pipeline and has been very helpful with my questions regarding the process. I'm sure he would be more than willing to help you out too! He has a post in the forums where you can ask questions regarding the enlisted soldier to USMA process: https://www.serviceacademyforums.co...ndidate-admin-kit-complete.67190/#post-662527

The path is uncommon, but the odds are better. Since USMA has a designated amount of slots for enlisted soldiers, and it's rare that they meet or exceed the quota, if you can become 3Qd you've got a much more solid chance of admission as opposed to a 3Qd civilian. Also, all enlisted soldiers are AUTOMATICALLY considered for admission to USMAPS if they are not directly admitted.

As mentioned, yes, an appointment to the academy trumps your service obligation. There is a caveat, however. Your contract with the National Guard will effectively pause when you PCS to USMA. If you fail to make it to your Reaffirmation Oath or otherwise quit, leave, or dis-enroll from the academy for any reason, your contract will be reinstated and you will be required to fulfill the remaining service obligation.

It is still a very rigorous application and selection process, and you still have to pass the CFA and complete the application in its entirety. It's just that the service commander nomination takes the place of the MOC nomination. You will also still be required to take the SAT or ACT, but judging by your plan and status of your application, you've already completed that. It is very common for the soldier SAT average to be considerably lower than that of civilian applicants, so this is a plus if you're not the most academically inclined (I may or may not be speaking from personal experience).

As far as GETTING the nomination, it's a matter of who, what, when, where, and why. My previous commander absolutely detested West Point and therefore blatantly refused to endorse me. When I PCSed, I began talking with my commander early about what he'd like to see from me in order to secure his nomination. Make sure you get the ball rolling as soon as you can, as this gives your commander more time to assess you while you cultivate your skills. Personally, I was counseled on a few things that my commander wanted from me before he was willing to endorse me. I wrote an essay, had to reach and maintain a certain PT score, had to branch out into the community and log any leadership and volunteer service, and I had to receive a nomination from one of my drill sergeants. Again, this is all contingent upon your commander.

If you're looking to pursue this option, I recommend taking advantage of the split-op program. This way, you can knock out basic before R-day (a requirement). When you get back, you can focus on your application and securing your nomination. Judging by your timeline, it looks like we'll be applying around the same time if you don't get a direct admit for 2023. Let me know if you have any questions, I'd love someone to talk to and work through the process together with!
 
As far as GETTING the nomination, it's a matter of who, what, when, where, and why. My previous commander absolutely detested West Point and therefore blatantly refused to endorse me.
It's very disheartening when I read things like this. I wonder how many potentially great officers have had their careers stillborn due to COC's like this.
My DD initially suffered something similar but with her enlisted COC. When her 1SG found out she was applying to West Point she was put into a "detail" platoon. She never got to do her MOS, just details. She came close to not just withdrawing her application but leaving the Army altogether. Fortunately, a new 1SG came in, took one look at this, and immediately disbanded the "detail" platoon and put the soldiers back into their regular platoons. This gave her a new life.
When she returned early from her deployment to out process for West Point, she again ran into issues with her rear detachment 1SG. Instead of letting her out process she was used for details. Two weeks prior to R-Day they STILL had not issued her orders. It took "a bird" whispering in the ear of the West Point CSM and him contacting her division CSM to finally get things moving. She finally finished out processing the Thursday prior to R-Day.
BTW, she almost turned down West Point to stay with her unit for the full deployment. Her BN CSM found out, tracked her down, grabbed her by the collar, told her to pack her crap, get on the C-130, go to West Point and make them proud.
I'm just passing all of this on so others can be aware that there are hurdles, but they are surmountable. Plebe year was tough for my DD getting used to the "West Point way", but she is now very happy with her decision.
 
I would caution joining the NG just to get into the prior-enlisted category for an academy nomination. I believe Honey_Badger was full-time NG, meaning that's where he worked on a daily basis and high2024hopes gave some great advice from an active duty standpoint. The difference between those two examples and what you are trying to do is that between enlisting, going to basic and reporting back to your NG unit for the first time, you may not meet your commander more than once before you are asking them to write a recommendation to leave. If they want to see examples of your character, work ethic, etc., as would be normal, there may not be time for that and getting their recommendation for the class of 2024. There are lots of reasons to join the NG, but I wouldn't count on it as a golden ticket to USMA.
 
I would caution joining the NG just to get into the prior-enlisted category for an academy nomination. I believe Honey_Badger was full-time NG, meaning that's where he worked on a daily basis and high2024hopes gave some great advice from an active duty standpoint. The difference between those two examples and what you are trying to do is that between enlisting, going to basic and reporting back to your NG unit for the first time, you may not meet your commander more than once before you are asking them to write a recommendation to leave. If they want to see examples of your character, work ethic, etc., as would be normal, there may not be time for that and getting their recommendation for the class of 2024. There are lots of reasons to join the NG, but I wouldn't count on it as a golden ticket to USMA.

This is definitely something to consider.

I was very lucky in that my recruiter went out of her way to set up a meeting for me with the commander of my RSP unit.

Also, I remember reading something along the lines of the Texas ARNG having a policy of only sending one soldier to USMA yearly, so that’s something for OP to consider (though it should be taken with a grain of salt because I’m unable to find anything official to corroborate it).
 
Again, just because you are enlisted does not mean one can only go for the enlisted nomination. Even with a nomination from another source being prior service can help in the admission process.
 
As far as GETTING the nomination, it's a matter of who, what, when, where, and why. My previous commander absolutely detested West Point and therefore blatantly refused to endorse me.
It's very disheartening when I read things like this. I wonder how many potentially great officers have had their careers stillborn due to COC's like this.
My DD initially suffered something similar but with her enlisted COC. When her 1SG found out she was applying to West Point she was put into a "detail" platoon. She never got to do her MOS, just details. She came close to not just withdrawing her application but leaving the Army altogether. Fortunately, a new 1SG came in, took one look at this, and immediately disbanded the "detail" platoon and put the soldiers back into their regular platoons. This gave her a new life.
When she returned early from her deployment to out process for West Point, she again ran into issues with her rear detachment 1SG. Instead of letting her out process she was used for details. Two weeks prior to R-Day they STILL had not issued her orders. It took "a bird" whispering in the ear of the West Point CSM and him contacting her division CSM to finally get things moving. She finally finished out processing the Thursday prior to R-Day.
BTW, she almost turned down West Point to stay with her unit for the full deployment. Her BN CSM found out, tracked her down, grabbed her by the collar, told her to pack her crap, get on the C-130, go to West Point and make them proud.
I'm just passing all of this on so others can be aware that there are hurdles, but they are surmountable. Plebe year was tough for my DD getting used to the "West Point way", but she is now very happy with her decision.
This is stunning to read. Great for her but it really does make one wonder about those lost in the shuffle due to bad personal judgement and bias. What a shame.
The commitment of your DD is to be greatly admired as well. Great job Mom and Dad.
 
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