lakeviewmom4
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There are several waitlisted candidates for USNA reporting on another post. They were notified by email today as well.
Waiters ....this thread is for you
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I figured wait list was coming any day. USNA advises to proceed with a Plan B in this case. In years past, the wait list had very few come off the list. When I say few, I am talking a hand full or less. Now, that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be more this year. USNA has the highest yield of all the SAs. Traditionally after May 1st, they will cut the wait list even smaller. Good luck to everyone.
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@Stork103,
I think I understood you just fine, but I still think that your original (and now clarified) assumption is wrong. I'm not mad at ya, either!
As long as we're guessing here, It is my guess that the Admissions Board has NOT in fact coalesced the Class of 2023.
It is my "swag" that they have a few hundred more folders on the table in front of them with 3Q + nomination candidates who may very well be good enough to make the cut right now, but they don't have that many Offers to hand out, and they are waiting for more Offers that went out early to come back as declined. They also have a few hundred that are ready for the NWL now. It would be highly unlikely that anyone would come off that wait list and get onto that table with the other folders, at this point. What's more likely is that they will select the rest of the class out of that stack of folders, and send the balance to the NWL. This is why some years you won't see a single candidate come off that NWL, and some years you will have five or more.
The other thing that may actually skew everything on getting off that NWL is that it may not be a prioritized list at all. It may be the next person that they need is a female with certain characteristics, and that person is #106 on the NWL.
One thing is for sure, we just don't know.
I think I understood you just fine, but I still think that your original (and now clarified) assumption is wrong. I'm not mad at ya, either!
As long as we're guessing here, It is my guess that the Admissions Board has NOT in fact coalesced the Class of 2023.
It is my "swag" that they have a few hundred more folders on the table in front of them with 3Q + nomination candidates who may very well be good enough to make the cut right now, but they don't have that many Offers to hand out, and they are waiting for more Offers that went out early to come back as declined. They also have a few hundred that are ready for the NWL now. It would be highly unlikely that anyone would come off that wait list and get onto that table with the other folders, at this point. What's more likely is that they will select the rest of the class out of that stack of folders, and send the balance to the NWL. This is why some years you won't see a single candidate come off that NWL, and some years you will have five or more.
The other thing that may actually skew everything on getting off that NWL is that it may not be a prioritized list at all. It may be the next person that they need is a female with certain characteristics, and that person is #106 on the NWL.
One thing is for sure, we just don't know.
Fair points TH. I have no specific expertise on this topic, so I could be 100% wrong and you could have it nailed.@Stork103,
I think I understood you just fine, but I still think that your original (and now clarified) assumption is wrong. I'm not mad at ya, either!
As long as we're guessing here, It is my guess that the Admissions Board has NOT in fact coalesced the Class of 2023.
It is my "swag" that they have a few hundred more folders on the table in front of them with 3Q + nomination candidates who may very well be good enough to make the cut right now, but they don't have that many Offers to hand out, and they are waiting for more Offers that went out early to come back as declined. They also have a few hundred that are ready for the NWL now. It would be highly unlikely that anyone would come off that wait list and get onto that table with the other folders, at this point. What's more likely is that they will select the rest of the class out of that stack of folders, and send the balance to the NWL. This is why some years you won't see a single candidate come off that NWL, and some years you will have five or more.
The other thing that may actually skew everything on getting off that NWL is that it may not be a prioritized list at all. It may be the next person that they need is a female with certain characteristics, and that person is #106 on the NWL.
One thing is for sure, we just don't know.
I’m mostly just posting because I find the entire process fascinating. Between the official word put out by USNA, the dedicated and informative BGO’s, and all of the crowd sourced data points that come through on the forums, it feels like we have far more insight into the USNA Admissions process than any other school out there. So in that way, we are extremely fortunate to be in a position to even engage in all this productive discussion, and of course, speculation (guilty!). I don’t think the Stanford bird is reverberating with this much activity (well, on second thought...)
And the funniest part is, despite all of the angsty speculation and desire for more transparency (and the subsequent patient and continuous reminders from forum pros like Navy Hoops, Capt MJ, Mid Cake, Old Navy BGO, Just Do It) USNA is executing almost exactly to the letter of what it commited to do in the admissions process.
One person’s fun is another’s misery. Depends on your makeup.
If memory serves, Willy Wonka printed only 5 golden tickets, and to my knowledge none of us is on the factory tour. At this late hour, I can only confess great ignorance. That said —
(1) Even if the results reported here don’t amount to a rigorous scientific sample, they don’t need to. The fact is, we have very recently waitlisted candidates. I have difficulty understanding why these WL decisions would be made without comparison, at least generally, to those who remain CPR. (Apart from those who have medical waiver decisions pending, who indeed might stand apart and sensibly so).
(2) School waitlists generally are conservative, and by that I mean intended to protect against a student shortfall. There is nothing wrong with that so long as appropriate advice or disclosure has been made, and the Academy has fulfilled its obligation: proceed to Plan B.
A waitlist is the last redoubt, but not a lot of people are walking off that hill and through the gate. The odds are certainly better than Powerball and substantially so. They may not be appreciably better than astronaut selection.
If memory serves, Willy Wonka printed only 5 golden tickets, and to my knowledge none of us is on the factory tour. At this late hour, I can only confess great ignorance. That said —
(1) Even if the results reported here don’t amount to a rigorous scientific sample, they don’t need to. The fact is, we have very recently waitlisted candidates. I have difficulty understanding why these WL decisions would be made without comparison, at least generally, to those who remain CPR. (Apart from those who have medical waiver decisions pending, who indeed might stand apart and sensibly so).
(2) School waitlists generally are conservative, and by that I mean intended to protect against a student shortfall. There is nothing wrong with that so long as appropriate advice or disclosure has been made, and the Academy has fulfilled its obligation: proceed to Plan B.
A waitlist is the last redoubt, but not a lot of people are walking off that hill and through the gate. The odds are certainly better than Powerball and substantially so. They may not be appreciably better than astronaut selection.
Congratulations to everyone here. No matter what the outcome, you all are talking about amazing young people who are willing to serve. No doubt USNA would be extremely lucky to have them. If you are waitlisted, I hope you get your heart's desire. If you are still CPR, my guess is it is not a bad thing.
When you work in admissions (aside from the obvious ones) you are really not looking for reasons to accept; rather, you are looking for reasons not to accept. This is because the candidates, at this point, are really the cream of the crop. So, if they have culled large groups (as I believe they did in late March) and the last one was of really highly qualified candidates (I know one very well - 1420+ on SATs, great grades - at one of the nation's top schools - literally has been ranked in the top 50 high schools in the US - ,leadership, sports, recommendations, NASS, CVW, DoDMERB clear and very solid CFA) what must be left over is a stellar bunch.
My guess is that if you are still CPR (believe me, they have already determined slate winners) you are in the running for the remaining appointments. You have a WCS that is above their threshold and they are trying to sort our where to assign you and if there is a space, they will place you. If not, they will decide to send you a TWE or to put you on the WL.
WL is not the worst thing, but you need the solid plan B.
Anyway, I commend all of you out there who have been waiting so long. We, too, are waiting (CPR) and holding our breath. Fingers crossed for all of these great kids!
When you work in admissions (aside from the obvious ones) you are really not looking for reasons to accept; rather, you are looking for reasons not to accept. This is because the candidates, at this point, are really the cream of the crop. So, if they have culled large groups (as I believe they did in late March) and the last one was of really highly qualified candidates (I know one very well - 1420+ on SATs, great grades - at one of the nation's top schools - literally has been ranked in the top 50 high schools in the US - ,leadership, sports, recommendations, NASS, CVW, DoDMERB clear and very solid CFA) what must be left over is a stellar bunch.
My guess is that if you are still CPR (believe me, they have already determined slate winners) you are in the running for the remaining appointments. You have a WCS that is above their threshold and they are trying to sort our where to assign you and if there is a space, they will place you. If not, they will decide to send you a TWE or to put you on the WL.
WL is not the worst thing, but you need the solid plan B.
Anyway, I commend all of you out there who have been waiting so long. We, too, are waiting (CPR) and holding our breath. Fingers crossed for all of these great kids!
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The waitlist is normally not ordered. I would also expect some, but not many more appointments to go out...that is why there is a waitlist.
The SECNAV nomination should be automatic for active or reserve enlisted (should be listed on the portal?), just like it is for those who qualify for the Presidential (unlimited Presidential nominations, however only 100 appointments can be charged to this category). It is how many appointments that can be charged to the SECNAV that matters.
From Title 10:
The SECNAV nomination should be automatic for active or reserve enlisted (should be listed on the portal?), just like it is for those who qualify for the Presidential (unlimited Presidential nominations, however only 100 appointments can be charged to this category). It is how many appointments that can be charged to the SECNAV that matters.
From Title 10:
Great post PB. The example for the candidate you gave (that I assume got a TWE?) sounds really fantastic. Getting an appointment is just a colossal challenge.
yes, he got an email and then I assume the letter arrived a few days later. Sad story, like so many others: years of wanting it, doing everything right: AP courses, training, leadership roles, Varsity sports, captaincy... it was just not meant to be. What I am really trying to say, is that if he was turned down flat, the remaining bunch must be very, very strong. But, I, like most, am trying to rationalize and stay positive for my own DS who is still CPR. Same school as his buddy who was turned down. They were hoping to go together.
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I'll be honest, I have no clue why or how I'm still CPR at this point in time because I don't consider myself an academic freak of nature. I'm expecting a TWE primarily only because of my medical DQ and low SAT/ACT scores (1180 and 24 respectively). My other stuff is pretty outstanding, but besides that, I don't understand how I'm still in the running. I figured USNA would have reviewed my application by now and given me a TWE honestly. I don't think because I'm still CPR that I'm super competitive at all for those who said anyone still CPR is competitive. Either way, I'll find out soon enough... tomorrow would be nice.
@TomB - You must have something that has piqued their interest. You never know and you should never give up hope. If you have a Medical DQ and no hope of a waiver, then I agree that this is strange, but there must be some thought that a waiver could come through, as you are not out of the running. Maybe you had the best CFA ever, or maybe your essay was super compelling... who knows, but something is keeping you alive. Good luck! Hope you make it!
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I appreciate it. The only thing I think is an eye-opener besides my 6.5 years of boxing experience fighting with professionals and such was raising $15,000 for a friend who was hit by a car and was told he would never walk or ride his bike again but made a full recovery and is back to doing backflips on his bike (God help his parents haha). Maybe I just have a humble attitude, who knows. My only medical DQ is for a dairy allergy that is not too severe, but anything can happen. Good luck to everyone still CPR.
USNA BGO08,
Can you shed any light on how competitive the remaining bunch of CPRS would be at this late stage? Are they all actually competitive, or is it just that there have been more important things for Admissions to focus on than the housekeeping of getting all the TWEs out?
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A2 is USMA. A3 is CGA
DS Still CPR USNA.
Declined USMMA this eve, hopefully making room for someone else.
Accepted NROTC National to UofM switching to VT. Proud dad for any of the options that have been presented.
Watching and searching past posts, yields so many hypothetical questions that have been asked so many times and have the same answer is an interesting and somewhat distracting dynamic on this forum.
"pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".
This process seems equal parts luck and credentials and not a final judgement on who is worthy and not..
Best of luck to all!
Declined USMMA this eve, hopefully making room for someone else.
Accepted NROTC National to UofM switching to VT. Proud dad for any of the options that have been presented.
Watching and searching past posts, yields so many hypothetical questions that have been asked so many times and have the same answer is an interesting and somewhat distracting dynamic on this forum.
"pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".
This process seems equal parts luck and credentials and not a final judgement on who is worthy and not..
Best of luck to all!
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“....This process seems equal parts luck and credentials and not a final judgement on who is worthy and not..
Best of luck to all!”
I think 8020GALT just nailed it. There may not be any need for any further posts beyond this.