Waitlisted

Looked through your post history and saw she attended NASS. I cant guarantee anything and I'm not informed enough to give you a solid answer but in my opinion, given that she hasn't been rejected, and has been put at least on the waitlist, she probably has decent chances. I'd say higher than 50/50. Dont quote me though
Sorry @Infiniduck the 50/50 is not even remotely close to correct. I get it folks are trying to help but NASS attendance means nothing! My guess at this point in time the majority of candidates are more than likely getting a TWE than an appointment. This is based on the past.
Pattern, any idea why the waitlist notifications go about before the final TWEs?
Not really sure. @NavyHoops , @usna1985 any thoughts on this question.
 
Purely speculation...
(1) Some of those who are CPR, might still be considered for NAPS/Foundation.
(2) It might be an administrative way of tracking how big the waitlist is. Thus, once all candidates have been "waitlisted" then most everyone else would get the TWE?
(3) Some candidates had not been to the Admissions Board until recently.
 
My DS received the Waitlisted email today. I realize no one knows this for sure, but does anyone ever come off it? She is not hopeful at all... Thanks
It depends on the class size and how many actually turn it down. Last year we were told around 100 are on the list. You do not know where you are on this list either. You may not hear until 3rd week of May or later. Get your plan B all squared away just as they probably advised you on the email. If your DS ir DD reapplied they have a decent chance at getting in the next year.
 
NAPS/Foundation would be included in the number of appointment offers and class size determination, regardless if the numbers are correct/reflective of this year. Admissions already has a good idea of how many NAPSters/Foundationers will move on to USNA and if it changes, then they can pull from the wait list.

Do the NAPS/Foundation references in these threads relate to two different things: (1) the individuals currently in those programs who are offered appointments, or not, to the class of 2023; and (ii) applicants to 2023, not in those programs, who will be offered NAPS/Foundation?

WRT (ii) — when are those offers made and disclosed?
 
If it’s any consolation for the waitlisters, there are undoubtedly more TWEs coming this week, so it isn’t the worst place to be. Making it all the way to the deadline and then getting a TWE is going to be a super tough day for some.
I think it says a lot if you can make it to the waitlist with that huge number of applicants. They want you, but can't fit you in even with multiple nominations. No room in the Inn.
 
Thank you to everyone that has replied. My DD is extremely upset and I cannot offer any words of any kind to her, she doesn’t want to hear them. Her plan b is a full NROTC scholarship to her #1 school, but it isn’t where she wants to be. At this point, I’m not saying anything and hoping for the day she accepts plan b and works for next year’s application.
 
Do the NAPS/Foundation references in these threads relate to two different things: (1) the individuals currently in those programs who are offered appointments, or not, to the class of 2023; and (ii) applicants to 2023, not in those programs, who will be offered NAPS/Foundation?

(1) With respect to this year's USNA offers of appointments and class size, it is applicable to those CURRENTLY at NAPS/Foundation...in other words, the individuals graduating this May will have "reserved" spots for USNA Class of 2023.
(2) It is possible SOME NAPS/Foundation decisions could still be made -- these individuals would attend NAPS/Foundation this year and eventually be part of USNA Class of 2024.
 
Purely speculation...
(1) Some of those who are CPR, might still be considered for NAPS/Foundation.
(2) It might be an administrative way of tracking how big the waitlist is. Thus, once all candidates have been "waitlisted" then most everyone else would get the TWE?
(3) Some candidates had not been to the Admissions Board until recently.
Thanks. Just trying to piece together the significance of getting a TWE at the very end. Contrary to what seemed like common sense at first glance, it’s now clear that the wait list candidates were actually far more competitive for Appointment than the rest of the bunch (and there appear to be a very significant number of them based on what was reported alone on the forum; several hundred overall or more I would guess) that will get TWEs in the last batch before the 4/15 deadline. There are some candidates on the wait list with absolutely eye popping stats, so not exactly the right kind of candidates for NAPS. From there it makes sense then that the final few admission actions will just be for good NAPS fits.

All well and good, but just makes me question why USNA can’t cut the rest of the several hundred candidates (at least?) free a few weeks earlier when they have pretty darn good data indicating that they not only won’t get one of the precious few remaining Appointments, but also won’t make the 100 person waitlist, of which only a handful (single digits?) will ultimately get appointed. Those few weeks would be extremely valuable for the candidates and their parents in terms of reduced stress and the ability to go all in mentally, administratively, and financially on family plans and alternate education plans.
 
I'm probably going to stop looking at these forums until I get a definite answer because everything here is just pure speculation, the bottom line is none of us are USNA admissions so none of us know what they know. The only information I'm considering are those senior members and BGO's who have noticed certain things in the process throughout the years. I'll probably only be back to check PM's, when I get a response, or to add my name on that Class of 2023 thread (hopefully). Doing this to ease the wait and stress with exams coming up, it's just unneeded. So until then, good luck everyone.
 
All well and good, but just makes me question why USNA can’t cut the rest of the several hundred candidates (at least?) free a few weeks earlier when they have pretty darn good data indicating that they not only won’t get one of the precious few remaining Appointments, but also won’t make the 100 person waitlist, of which only a handful (single digits?) will ultimately get appointed. Those few weeks would be extremely valuable for the candidates and their parents in terms of reduced stress and the ability to go all in mentally, administratively, and financially on family plans and alternate education plans.

It is easy to Monday morning quaterback the work of admissions...another thing to be in the admissions office having to put all the pieces of the puzzle together...I don't envy that and the office of admissions does a great job. A lot of the stress is self-induced. USNA said most candidates would know by April 15, it isn't April 15.
 
All well and good, but just makes me question why USNA can’t cut the rest of the several hundred candidates (at least?) free a few weeks earlier when they have pretty darn good data indicating that they not only won’t get one of the precious few remaining Appointments, but also won’t make the 100 person waitlist, of which only a handful (single digits?) will ultimately get appointed. Those few weeks would be extremely valuable for the candidates and their parents in terms of reduced stress and the ability to go all in mentally, administratively, and financially on family plans and alternate education plans.

It is easy to Monday morning quaterback the work of admissions...another thing to be in the admissions office having to put all the pieces of the puzzle together...I don't envy that and the office of admissions does a great job. A lot of the stress is self-induced. USNA said most candidates would know by April 15, it isn't April 15.

So CPRs are done?????
 
No one knows if someone is CPR is a good or bad thing at this point. It could mean many things. It simply means you are still in the mix. I get everyone is anxious and trying to deduce every tid bit of info. There isn’t any to give. Hang in there, everyone will know shortly.
 
Thank you to everyone that has replied. My DD is extremely upset and I cannot offer any words of any kind to her, she doesn’t want to hear them. Her plan b is a full NROTC scholarship to her #1 school, but it isn’t where she wants to be. At this point, I’m not saying anything and hoping for the day she accepts plan b and works for next year’s application.

@IMB27Mom how is DD today?? feeling better I hope
 
also...I counted 11 wait listers that chimed in on the forum yesterday. if the 10-12% SAF forum numbers hold up then that's about 100 waitlisters total? seems approximately right to me.

and at last count I think I saw 35 CPRs so far....

and the latest Appointment thread count was 140?
 
Thank you to everyone that has replied. My DD is extremely upset and I cannot offer any words of any kind to her, she doesn’t want to hear them. Her plan b is a full NROTC scholarship to her #1 school, but it isn’t where she wants to be. At this point, I’m not saying anything and hoping for the day she accepts plan b and works for next year’s application

I realize you probably need to let DD grieve for a bit, but soon she will have to focus on executing plan b. Believe me, I get the disappointment - a few years ago my DS received his TWE on April 13; this with his older sister just finishing up her Plebe year at USNA. It was a big disappointment for him and he had a hard time putting his heart into plan b as well (he also had a 4 yr NROTC scholarship - MO). DD should focus on the long term goal and USNA is just one path to the end goal of commissioning as a Navy or USMC officer. Her plan b with full NROTC scholarship to #1 school is a fantastic plan b!

I think it's easy to get caught up in the allure of receiving an appointment and attending a SA, and they are no doubt great options and would be an accomplishment to be proud of, but there are countless posts about how it doesn't matter where you came from once you commission - it's all about performance. My DS ended up thriving at his "plan b" and never looked back or thought about reapplying to USNA. Your DD may end up loving her school and NROTC as well. If not and she really wants to reapply she will be able to show that she can handle a college workload and will be one year more mature.

Good luck to you and DD as she works through this.
 
Here is guidance for you. Please note, this doesn't answer all your questions but it may help. FYI, I have a candidate who is waitlisted. I talked to her at length yesterday and she has decided to accept her Appointment to Air Force. She also had an appointment from West Point.

What is the Wait List?
The Wait List is composed of students our Admissions Board would like to have in our entering class but for whom there were not enough spaces available. The candidate pool was among the most competitive ever, and the Admissions Board recommended a near record number of candidates for appointment. We have offered appointments to approximately 1,300 of those students; we expect 1,155 students to accept our offer and enroll at USNA. If fewer than 1,155 students accept our offer, we will then offer admission to some of the students who have been put on our Wait List.

Why was I Wait Listed?
The Admissions Board considered all aspects of each student's application--rank in class, grades, standardized test scores, extracurricular activities, recommendations, essays, special talents, and backgrounds. We based our decisions on a careful analysis of all these factors and we offered admission to those students whom we thought would make up the strongest and most balanced entering class. Other strong students, like yourself, were put on the Wait List.

Should I accept another college offer?
Because most colleges require a May 1 deposit, even if USNA is your first choice, you should pay a deposit at another school to guarantee that you will have a space next year. We must wait until after May 1, the decision deadline for students to whom we have offered appointments, to determine how many spaces in the class will be filled at that time. If all spaces in the class are taken, we will not be able to offer admission to any students on the Wait List. If spaces do become available, we will still need anywhere from two weeks to a month after May 1 to determine just how many additional offers of admission we can make.

When is the earliest and latest I may hear?
The earliest you may hear about the Wait List is approximately the third week in May, and the latest may be mid-June.

When is Induction Day?
Induction Day, which is the day all Plebes report to USNA, is Thursday, June 29.

Will it help to write, call, or visit USNA at this time?
A visit would not affect our decision. Although you are welcome to send additional letters of recommendation, honors or accolades, decisions are usually based on the evaluation made by the Admissions Board.

How many students are on the Wait List?
We generally have between 70 and 120 names on our initial Wait List. The number offered appointments each year fluctuates, based on our acceptance rate and feedback from candidates.

If students are offered appointments from the Wait List, how will these students be selected?
To select students from the Wait List, we will first need to see how many spaces are available and match those spaces with the students on the Wait List. We will then examine the applications of students on the Wait List and consider our original evaluation of a student's credentials along with any subsequent information we have received (i.e. final grades).
 
As to why WL comes out before final TWE or appointments . . . not really sure. It may be that all the final decisions have been made, just not notified to candidates. Appointments still go through MOCs (who may or may not do anything) so there could be a slight holdup there. TWEs go through a final round of confirmation (because it is a final determination) and it may be they go through a bunch in one day and d another bunch on another day. It's also possible there could be more folks notified of WL status in the coming days.

As to whether it's better to be WL or CPR at this point . . . the fact is it's April 10. The overwhelming majority of the class has been formed. That doesn't mean it's over, only that if history is any guide, the odds of those currently CPR receiving an appointment are long. They may or may not be any better for those on the WL.
 
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