Other Possible Nomination Sources

What @MidCakePa speaks of is exactly what happened to my 2021 West Point DD. She did not complete her application until February of 2017. By that time she had missed the nomination process ( she wasn't sure of herself or the process). She received an LOA on March 8th. On March 23rd through the 25th, I accompanied her on an overnight visit. We were told then that USMA would "find" her a nomination. We had some doubts because she never applied for a nom. She received an appointment on April 15th. She asked her RC who gave her a nomination as we wanted to thank him/her and the reply was, it was internal. Still not sure what that means but we assume that it was a Sup nom. That was a surprise as she was not a D1 recruited athlete and does not play any Varsity sports at USMA. Truly a blessing.
 
In a competitive state/district, it really helps if you can decide early which SA you want to attend (among the Big 3). Understand it’s nice to have multiple appointments, but you eventually have to choose. The earlier one can make that choice, the better able to focus all nom efforts on that SA. I recognize this isn’t always possible and that decisions may change.

That said, I’m always confounded when a candidate calls me in despair because he received a nom to USMA but really wants to attend USNA. I ask, “ What did you put down as your first choice with the MOC?” Answer: USMA. Me: So what are you complaining about? You got exactly what you wanted.

Most of the time, the candidate wants to have lots of eggs in the basket I.e., multiple appointments. In super competitive areas, that’s usually not possible. Asking a SA to “find” you a nom when you didn’t choose wisely isn’t their problem.

I also understand that sometimes you get a nom to your second or third choice. If you don’t really want to be at that second or third choice SA, don’t apply. If you would also be happy there, then go and be happy and stop fretting that you didn’t get your first choice.

I realize the above sounds harsh, but welcome to reality. Those in less competitive areas don’t have this issue. They’re lucky.
 
What puzzles me is this: The Letter of Assurance is not only sent to the candidate, it is also copied/forwarded to the three primary nominating sources, the applicable congressman and both senators. The LOA is basically telling these nominating sources, "If you nominate this candidate, he/she will get an appointment!"

Good in theory, but keep in mind that timing plays a role. A lot of LOAs go out after slates are finalied.

Also remember that MOCs are under no obligation to do what an SA wishes. They have their own criteria, and as politicians, they are keen to wield their power and independence. No MOC wants to be a rubber stamp for an SA (or anyone else for that matter). If anything, they want to send a signal to the SA that “this is the candidate I want.” Not the other way around.
 
The above is a fair point. It's not just that some MOCs may be a bit contrary (as they provide direction to the committees that do the work) but the people on the committees may view candidates differently than did the SA.

The system may have its flaws but keep in mind two things. LOAs are relatively new on the vast scheme of things (they didn't exist in my day, for example). And, Congress designed the nom system and any changes have to come from them, not the SAs. That's not likely to happen.
 
@Memphis9489 Let me suggest a third possibility based on MidCakePa's comment:

If the SA wants someone bad enough — typically indicated by an LOA — they will find a way to offer an appointment. That includes candidates who do not have a nomination.

I suspect some MOCs believe this and therefore don't give a nomination to LOA holders figuring the Academy will find one elsewhere for them... then he's "guaranteed" 2 at the Academy. Unfortunately there are folks each year who get an LOA, no nomination, and no appointment. There are also folks like MidCakePa's DD each year for whom they do find a nomination. One can never assume which camp they fall in, but one should always have hope unless and until a TWE arrives.

I'm not sure this is a likely third scenario.

It's to the congressman's political advantage to have as many of his nominees appointed as possible. Nominating a candidate who is guaranteed an appointment is a no-brainer. Even though there are 10 nominations for each vacancy, that is not to say the academy will not take several from the slate. In fact, that often happens.

The best thing a congressman can do is to nominate 1) any candidate with an LOA and 2) pick the best candidates who are likely to earn an appointment. It's the appointments that reflect favorably on the congressman - not the nominations. That's what is going to get the most press. That's the best chance for one of his/her nominees going on and doing something truly memorable that could possibly reflect favorably on the congressman who gave that individual their start in the military.

Nominations go out and are quickly forgotten. Nobody at the Naval Academy even talks about nominations. They all got one!

Not to rain on anybody's parade, but it has to be remembered that; although a nomination is critical, relatively few of those nominated will ever receive an appointment. The mere fact that 10 are nominated for every one vacancy should tell you that. In fact, almost half of those nominated are not even qualified for an appointment. The congressman wouldn't know that the candidate has a disqualifying medical condition. The congressman wouldn't know that it takes the candidate 15 minutes to run a mile and can't do a single pull-up. The congressman doesn't know that the candidate has a DUI on his record. The congressman may not realize the significance of the candidate never having taken Chemistry or Physics in high school despite the candidate's high ACT score and GPA.

Somebody may want to correct my numbers but I believe they are fairly accurate.
There are usually over 4000 nominations.
Nominally, over 2000 of those nominees are fully qualified for an appointment.
There are generally around 1300-1500 offers of appointments. (depending on the target class size and that varies with graduation rates)
There are generally around 1100-1300 in a new class.

What is hidden in these numbers are that there are over 200 NAPS appointments, about 75 Foundation appointments, and then there's all the Blue Chip athletes who are going to get an appointment even if they had a 23 on their ACT and still need to take Pre-Calc.

So, it makes you wonder how many of those 1200 spots are realistically available to a candidate directly out of high school. I'd estimate about 800-900. How's that for a depressing breakdown?
 
What puzzles me is this: The Letter of Assurance is not only sent to the candidate, it is also copied/forwarded to the three primary nominating sources, the applicable congressman and both senators. The LOA is basically telling these nominating sources, "If you nominate this candidate, he/she will get an appointment!"

Good in theory, but keep in mind that timing plays a role. A lot of LOAs go out after slates are finalied.

Also remember that MOCs are under no obligation to do what an SA wishes. They have their own criteria, and as politicians, they are keen to wield their power and independence. No MOC wants to be a rubber stamp for an SA (or anyone else for that matter). If anything, they want to send a signal to the SA that “this is the candidate I want.” Not the other way around.

The Naval Academy has a way of getting the candidates they want; sometimes going to the extent of virtually ignoring an MOC's "primary nomineee" designation as the Naval Academy does not interpret that "rule" about prioritizing the slate to be sacrosanct. There have been instances (although rare) where a qualified "primary nominee" did not receive an appointment; yet, a lower-ranked nominee on the same slate did receive an appointment. The Naval Academy seems to consider such congressional designations as "advisory". It's as if the academy is saying, "We see you have ordered your candidates from 1 to 10 in order of your preference. Duly noted. Now, here's the ones to whom we're giving appointments."
 
The congressman may not realize the significance of the candidate never having taken Chemistry or Physics in high school despite the candidate's high ACT score and GPA.
Some of us have Congressmen who are Service Academy grads but hopefully, MOST congressmen have academy advisory/interview panels who screen candidates to watch out for things like this.
 
The congressman may not realize the significance of the candidate never having taken Chemistry or Physics in high school despite the candidate's high ACT score and GPA.
Some of us have Congressmen who are Service Academy grads but hopefully, MOST congressmen have academy advisory/interview panels who screen candidates to watch out for things like this.

I agree with this 100%.

But a high GPA and a high SAT in combination is good. Maybe they didn’t like science ... but speak 3 different languages fluently.

There could be a reason to give a nom to this person and let the SA decide if it is a need or not.
 
The congressman may not realize the significance of the candidate never having taken Chemistry or Physics in high school despite the candidate's high ACT score and GPA.
Some of us have Congressmen who are Service Academy grads but hopefully, MOST congressmen have academy advisory/interview panels who screen candidates to watch out for things like this.

I agree with this 100%.

But a high GPA and a high SAT in combination is good. Maybe they didn’t like science ... but speak 3 different languages fluently.

There could be a reason to give a nom to this person and let the SA decide if it is a need or not.

As impressive as it may seem to speak 3 different languages fluently, this will probably result in not much more than validating some language courses that will have little to no bearing on their academic curriculum. They will, however, have to take a couple semesters of both Chemistry and Physics, even if they major in Art History (which doesn't exist). :)

Having taken Chemistry and Physics in high school is a better indicator of future academic success (at the Naval Academy) than speaking 3 languages. The former is required - the latter is nice-to-have.
 
The congressman may not realize the significance of the candidate never having taken Chemistry or Physics in high school despite the candidate's high ACT score and GPA.
Some of us have Congressmen who are Service Academy grads but hopefully, MOST congressmen have academy advisory/interview panels who screen candidates to watch out for things like this.

I agree with this 100%.

But a high GPA and a high SAT in combination is good. Maybe they didn’t like science ... but speak 3 different languages fluently.

There could be a reason to give a nom to this person and let the SA decide if it is a need or not.

As impressive as it may seem to speak 3 different languages fluently, this will probably result in not much more than validating some language courses that will have little to no bearing on their academic curriculum. They will, however, have to take a couple semesters of both Chemistry and Physics, even if they major in Art History (which doesn't exist). :)

Having taken Chemistry and Physics in high school is a better indicator of future academic success (at the Naval Academy) than speaking 3 languages. The former is required - the latter is nice-to-have.

I agree. My son excelled at physics and chemistry.

I’m just saying at the nomination level ... if they have an available spot - they can give it and let admissions decide.

Farsi or Chinese or Russian could be useful.
 
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